Marciano was overrated and not an ATG.

[butterfly1964]

It is funny how the second you tell the truth about fighters like Marciano people get upset. People like you believe Ali was past his prime at 28 or 29 because Frazier and Norton beat him but will still believe fighters like Walcott and Moore were still past their prime and they were both pushing 40. No matter what boxer you mention when it comes to fighting Marciano you will act like they were some kind of world class warrior. Seriously who did Marciano fight at even 180 pounds who were still in their primes and were actually 180 pound fighters and not middleweights who had to move up to 180 pounds?

The guy who made this post is right....a fighter like David Haye would of killed Marciano and i can't stand Haye. The bigger and stronger and actually fight guys who aren't controlled by the italian mafia. It Moore gave Marciano so much trouble in the early part of their fight then why wouldn't Roy Jones who in his prime was alot faster and alot harder to hit then Archie. If you say Jones has a glass chin then the same would go for Moore. Jones was knocked out 2 times but they were both when he was past his prime. On the other hand Moore was knocked out by other middleweights when he was in his 20s.

Marciano isn't a top 1000 heavyweight of all time because he wasn't a heavyweight. He was just some slow unskilled weak worthless 185 pound italian guy who fought guys who were even worse than he was. I guess in this day and age that is enough right? In every fantasy vs thread I see the same ******ity with him. Marciano wouldnt lose because he has a great chin. He does? He was dropped 2 times by 40 year old men. He never faced a punched like Foreman, Tyson, Lewis ect ect ect. You say he can't lose because he is so brave and has so much heart. Bullshyt.....I guess guys like Foreman,Frazier, Holyfield, Bowe, Holmes and the list goes on has no balls right? Fighters will lose if they fight enough good opponents. The sad thing is Marciano did lose 3 fights and got gift decisions becuase he is white and delt with the Mafia.

Marciano isn't the only overrated fighter who name gets mentioned all the time here. Joe Louis is pretty overrated and is only popular because of his skin color too. Joe Louis is only popular because he is half white which is what whites would prefer blacks to be. (Anything but black) Who did Joe Louis beat? Garbage like Max and Buddy Baer? I don't believe either Baer ever fought a black fighter unless you still consider Louis to b black. Who else did Louis fight.....Tony Galento a big fat piece of trash. Max Schmeling a 190 pound cruiserweight and got knocked out the firt time they fought. Billy Conn a middleweight / supermiddleweight and Louis was almost knocked out by him. You could name dozens of heavyweights who would have 20 plus title defenses if they fought the trash Louis fought.

If you people are boxing fans then act like it. Watch fights yourselves instead of believing anything some old so called boxing expert tells you. Just because a fighter fought in the past doesnt mean they were great. Fighters like Ray Robinson would of been nothing if he would of had to fight black fighters like Tommy Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, Julian Jackson ect. But because he fought tons of unskilled italian fighters and the media tell you he is good you will believe it. Anyway Marciano is the most unskilled fighter in any weight class to win a belt in boxing history.

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[StarshipTrooper]

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And people wonder why I have that douchebag randy_johnson on ignore. Is it even remotely possible for someone to combine that level of ******ity with that much obnoxiousness and racial antipathy? He proves it is! Joe Louis was half white? Please, enlighten me; who was the honky in the Barrow family tree? Surely you must know since you're such an expert on "whitey". Robinson would be nothing? You're a fine one to ***** about thinking everything "old" is great when at the same time you display an attitude of everything "old" sucks and everything "new" must automatically be the best ever. Were you really born THIS ignorant? Or did you just work REAL hard to get that way? Oh and your spelling sucks too. Did you even go to school or were you just another dropout smoking crack on the street corner? Get real. It's a crying shame people like randy_johnson can't be banned for terminal ******ity because he'd be the first out the door and we would be relieved of his constant pollution of the threads here.

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[Lenny McLean]

To become an ATG, you habve to beat an ATG in their prime. Not get schooled by an average old man and then get a KO when it is obvious a decent boxer in the 70s would have taken his head off in that situation. I doubt he would have been good enough to even be a sparring partner for Foreman, Frazier or Holmes.

Talking of Holmes, if you saw his career you would realise how the 49 win record was artificially preserved!!! Even if it wasn't he i still ****. Brian Neilson got 70 straight wins I think! Tomato can champions.

[SorceryatCaesar]

Marciano was overrated. If he fought Liston isntead of being a chicken he would have bean beaten to a pulp. He struggled against slow old men like Walcott and a washed up Charles. I reckon most top heavies from each era would have wiped the floor with him. Do u really think he could stand in there with Big Klitchko, Lewis, Holyfied or even Samuel Peter?LOL. Way too easy to hit. He was lucky that Italians loved boxing at the time, it was number one in sports and he had no competition.

Only idiots who have no fight dvd's (i have 1000+ 500vhs) and haven't seen much would rate 'the rock'. The best of his era were old men, and even then he was getting outboxed by the painfully slow Jersey Joe Walcott (equivalent to a journeyman like glen johnson)just by looking at footage one can see he wouldn't stand a chance aginst a Prime Roy Jones, the old Hopkins or even our Clinton Woods! Never mind any genuine heavyweight. He didn't lose coz he didn't fight anybody. Look at all the best, they lost coz they fought the best. He knew he had to retire early or get ko'd by the up and coming fighters! Smart guy but still rubbish.

I've seen every major boxing match that took place in the past 100 years and every Marciano title fight. Walcott was an old slow man and even then he had to hit the man when he was down because he was being outboxed. Marciano is overrated because he was the white hope in a segragated America where they believed they were evolutionarily superior. Marciano never beat anybody decent in their prime and was lucky he was in a dead era. The truth is he was overrated and would lose to many of todays light heavyweights including Calzaghe Hopkins and maybe even Tarver. People who know boxing know he is not a top ten heavyweight. Don't get upset, it is the truth.

LOL some Marciano advocates believe Joe Louis was not totally over the hill when Marciano fought him!!! He was pulled out of retirment and looked more washed up than the shores of Blackpool. Just because Rocky was crap and made a meal out of him and the other old men he fought doesn't mean they were not washed up. Also he did not fight everyone around at his time and retired early to avoid the likes of Sonny liston, Cleveland Williams etc. Even so, it may not be his fault but still exposed his weaknesses. He struggled with Walcott who was average, slow and ever so OLD. It took a dirty shot and there was never to be a rematch in segregated america that needed their hero so bad. He was so easy to hit it was a joke. Completely outboxed for many rouns. Marciano would lose to David Haye in about 2 rounds.

I think he is not even in the top 20 in the heavyweight division of all time. It pisses me off when people think he was in the top 5 or even the best! ROFL. Why does he always pop up on p4p lists? He was absolutely ****!

don't beat around the bush. what do you really think of marciano?

[Alexis Vastine]

He was overrated and not an ATG. Good but not good enough to mix it up with the best. He was maybe the best of the rest.

[randy johnson]

I said this before and i will say this again. Even though i dont agree on everything you people post most of you know your boxing. Lenny Mclean you are brilliant you really know your stuff. Alex Vastine you are great as well so keep up the smart post. Too be great you need to fight and beat greats, greatness isn't struggling to beat up 40 year old men.

[Alexis Vastine]

I said this before and i will say this again. Even though i dont agree on everything you people post most of you know your boxing. Lenny Mclean you are brilliant you really know your stuff. Alex Vastine you are great as well so keep up the smart post. Too be great you need to fight and beat greats, greatness isn't struggling to beat up 40 year old men.

Merci Monsieur! You are a truth messenger you summed it up perfectly.

Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free!

[Alexis Vastine]

Personaly I think walcott and his skills are very underrated. Not one heavyweight today matches him in terms of fotwork hand speed combonation punching or defense. Thats not to say Joe would beat todays giants, but just watchim him you can see how much more skilled he is than todays top fighters.

He is too old and fat for even todyas bums. The former soviets would kill him like Drago did to Apollo Creed. And Apollo Creed was a better boxer than old fat Arnold Cream.

[TheGreatA]

He is too old and fat for even todyas bums. The former soviets would kill him like Drago did to Apollo Creed. And Apollo Creed was a better boxer than old fat Arnold Cream.

Old fat Walcott compared to present heavyweights.









You may say he was old but fat? The man always stayed in great shape at around 195 lbs. Can't say the same for many of today's HW's.

[Alexis Vastine]

Why didn't you post a picture iof haye or Klitchko instead? OK he is not fat but he was slow. he was ok but not really a world class fighter now was he? Todays heavyweights are not even that good and I can't even see him beat them. If his victims were not great, then the ugly big nosed bum cannot be great!