How are Joe Louis's opponents any better than Tysons'?

[them_apples]

Tyson has a better record, and Tyson did not Duck Lewis, Lewis ducked Tyson. When Tyson was fighting for belts Lewis was an amateur and would have been smashed by Tyson. Only when Tyson is beat up and worn out does Lewis fight him.

Louis fought weak opponents, all white clowns like "galento" and "Primo Carnera"

People only like to see numbers such as "25 title defenses" and bs like that. If Tyson Decided to fight some bum instead of a number 1 ranked contender I'm sure he'd have 25 title defenses to.

I'm not saying Tyson is unbeatable but he would have crushed defenseless Joe Louis who never liked to cover up.

[Boogie Nights]

Tyson has a better record, and Tyson did not Duck Lewis, Lewis ducked Tyson. When Tyson was fighting for belts Lewis was an amateur and would have been smashed by Tyson. Only when Tyson is beat up and worn out does Lewis fight him.

Louis fought weak opponents, all white clowns like "galento" and "Primo Carnera"

People only like to see numbers such as "25 title defenses" and bs like that. If Tyson Decided to fight some bum instead of a number 1 ranked contender I'm sure he'd have 25 title defenses to.

I'm not saying Tyson is unbeatable but he would have crushed defenseless Joe Louis who never liked to cover up.

good post, i agree. call tyson what you want, a rapist, coward, punk, whatever. but he was never a ducker. this kid, slicksouthpaw is either an idiot or just pretending. according to him tyson ducked the whole heavyweight division. i wonder how the **** he became the undisputed champ then?

when tyson was an undisputed champion Lennox was still fighting for his gold medal. according to slick tyson should have went back to the amateurs and fought lenny there.

tyson was already in jail when bowe entered the rankings, and 4 years after his release rid**** was already done as a fighter. slicksouthpaw also stated tyson avoided holyfield and foreman. it's strange that the fight was already set but tyson was locked up. i guess mike was really ducking....behind bars

foreman was fighting for moorer's title won from holyfield when mike was still doing his time. how is that ducking?

slicksouthpaw also declared that the era in which louis fought had the best heavyweights. more like the worst. maybe he never heard of the seventies.

he also said max baer and joe walcott were all time greats....after that i pretty much lost all the respect for him as a poster. but it's okay, he's only 17, ill give him a pass.

and as i've stated before people look at numbers more than anything. 25 title defenses, that's all louis is remembered for, and the fact that he fought schmeling to defeat that whole **** bs, there was historic significance there

there's no doubt in my mind had tyson fought the guys louis fought, he might have actually killed some people. and i dont mean killed as in beat up pretty bad, i mean kill like put away into the morgue.

it's a trend nowadays to put tyson at the very back of the list of former heavyweight greats. just look at what Poet wrote about him. the biggest bull**** ive read.

[them_apples]

poets a complete asswipe. anything written by him should be disregarded entirely.

he has such an old time Bias he would probably pick Tony Galento over Holyfield.

[Boogie Nights]

unbelieveable that 12 people voted for louis, shows that they are still centuries behind and hold the view that anything old is better

[TheGreatA]

Mike Tyson on Joe Louis:

[Boogie Nights]

Mike Tyson on Joe Louis:

i've seen that already. we all know how mike was in front of the cameras manchine, he even looks like he practiced that speech lol

but come on, louis is remembered today for his defences and the defeat of schmeling, the whole racial devide situation.

im not discrediting louis, he was a great fighter. but there are a lot of ignorant people, like poet, who completely refuse to give tyson the credit he deserves

im of the opinion that tyson's opponents were no worse than any of the ones joe has beaten

and personally i see mike knocking out a prime joe louis. 174 pound light punching billy conn had joe going. i laugh when i hear people say that louis would have knocked out 'that bum tyson'. disrespectful and ridicilous

[TheGreatA]

i've seen that already. we all know how mike was in front of the cameras manchine, he even looks like he practiced that speech lol

but come on, louis is remembered today for his defences and the defeat of schmeling, the whole racial devide situation.

im not discrediting louis, he was a great fighter. but there are a lot of ignorant people, like poet, who completely refuse to give tyson the credit he deserves

im of the opinion that tyson's opponents were no worse than any of the ones joe has beaten

and personally i see mike knocking out a prime joe louis. 174 pound light punching billy conn had joe going. i laugh when i hear people say that louis would have knocked out 'that bum tyson'. disrespectful and ridicilous

It's disrespectful (although poet has given credit for Tyson in the past) but like Tyson himself said, longevity and ability to come back from a beating shows true greatness.

Tyson unfortunately never showed these qualities.

To me, they both faced a wide variety of opponents both large and small, quick and powerful, great and not-so-great, Louis just dominated for a longer period of time. That's all.

[Boogie Nights]

It's disrespectful (although poet has given credit for Tyson in the past) but like Tyson himself said, longevity and ability to come back from a beating shows true greatness.

Tyson unfortunately never showed these qualities.

To me, they both faced a wide variety of opponents both large and small, quick and powerful, great and not-so-great, Louis just dominated for a longer period of time.

never seen that, Poet is the biggest tyson hater ive ever run into. completely blind, pure hate and anger to the maximum. impossible to argue with, very ignorant individual. ive seen him on other boxing sites, just beating tyson down relentlessly. a sad, sad man

with that being said, you're right. maybe joe got up more than tyson did, and fought back in return more succesfully. but joe never took punches from lennox lewis, or another big heavyweight who could use his size.

joe had longevity over tyson, that much is clear. although put tyson in joe's era and you have the same outcome to be fair. and tyson would fit right in to make it a fair contest, because he wasnt a modern sized heavyweight, although he would be slightly bigger than some opponents.

also i could argue that tyson had more developed gifts than louis did, and more power too. in their primes, them fighting together, i dont see it lasting very long. and i favor tyson.

accomplishment wise louis brings more to the table. but i dont like it when people take it to the extreme, and say that louis had a better resume, and that he would have beaten tyson. that's unnecessary, and uncalled for. all done just to further downgrade tyson's status as an all time great.

[slicksouthpaw16]

good post, i agree. call tyson what you want, a rapist, coward, punk, whatever. but he was never a ducker. this kid, slicksouthpaw is either an idiot or just pretending.

unbelieveable that 12 people voted for louis, shows that they are still centuries behind and hold the view that anything old is better

No, in other words, its unbelieveable that 12 people have sense. What great fighter has Tyson beaten that were in their primes? I can name plenty that Louis has beaten. All you have to do is looks what is right there in front of your eyes. Louis has cleary beaten the better line of fighters and Tyson was matched carefully.

PS, I am not suprised at this though. Ive seen your other thread. ''Tyson in his prime would have knocked out Frazier''. LOL

slicksouthpaw also declared that the era in which louis fought had the best heavyweights. more like the worst. maybe he never heard of the seventies.

he also said max baer and joe walcott were all time greats....after that i pretty much lost all the respect for him as a poster. but it's okay, he's only 17, ill give him a pass.
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I also laugh at the way you question my boxing knowledge. The hell does being 17 have to do with anyone's knowledge? I get the better of 40+ guys on here at this forum and east-side boxing in debates. Boxing history runs in my family kid. You need to revisit Louis.

[Silencers]

Some of their opponents are comparable but Louis fought and beat more ATG's.