The reason why roberto duran quit (No Mas).

[killer101]

Pazuzu..save the weak comments...as for Duran getting excuses..maybe you have not directly said he quit because of cramps. There are several on here who have. If you do a search on Duran, you will see duran fans discrediting every fight that he ever lost as not credible because either duran was not focused..when i bring up that he lost to Dejesus at lightweight...and he is 2-1 vs him not winning the first fight, just like Ray is 2-1 vs him and lost the 1st fight by a total of 4 points between all 3 scorecards.. I read that he was not peak vs Ray in the 2nd fight, he trained lousy...and yes I agree duran had to get down between fights from 188 pounds .. but what people leave out is that he always had to get down, that is why Ray KNEW HIS TENDENCIES. Hell a lot of fighters have to do the same thing..DlH sometimes, Hatton, Toney, etc..... but this getting down is never an excuse..never. It was never an excuse for Duran in the previous 71 fights when he won, so why use it now that he lost.

I could even give Duran more credit if he said BEFORE THE FIGHT, we need to cancel because I am not in good shape..etc...However what Duran says before the fight is He is in even better shape, that he will Knock Leoanrd out this time....Duran fans will say yeh sure he will say this...I say ok..then why not say after he lost the same thing when he offers excuses as to why he lost.

It seems very simply a Professional fighter at his peak..signs for a fight, knows the date the rules...and if he makes weight, and then goes to the fight and pick up a check, there should not be any excuses. Only excuse I believe fighters can make is when they are visably years removed from their peak form...as all fightrs that fight on get the same benefit of the doubt as did Chavez, Ali, Duran, Robinson, leonard..so that is viable..but this cramps stuff is a joke...

[killer101]

pazuza you actually post very good insightful post...I just think these excuses are weak.

[kayjay]

That fight doesn't count for anything; it was a publicity stunt and Duran took the money.

[kayjay]

Pazuzu..save the weak comments...as for Duran getting excuses..maybe you have not directly said he quit because of cramps. There are several on here who have. If you do a search on Duran, you will see duran fans discrediting every fight that he ever lost as not credible because either duran...

No, Hearns and Hagler legitimately beat Duran. Leonard did not and could not.

[wpink1]

I disagree with you Killer... I see no where if a fighter shows up that he gets an excuse. However I do think that Bobby and you, post very good post.

I will admit I am biased towards Ray, but I do not offer excuses for his loss to Duran as Duran gets all kudos for moving up and beating him. Great kudos!! Just don't discredit a man for beating him in return when it was only 5 months later. Bobby, go back and read the post(s) from others you will see all the excuses given.

Oh Bobby P where you calling me ****head? If so thanks, I appreciate your kind words.

[wpink1]

leonard beat duran at age 29, was ahead on all 3 scorecards when he quit, and was easing winning round 8. Also Leoanrd was starting to land cleaner harder shots in the last round. Nothing major, but cleaner punches..Go back and review the 8th round.

No matter what anyone says, Ray is the only one that ownes Victories over the other 4.

[The Noose]

Pazuzu..save the weak comments...as for Duran getting excuses..maybe you have not directly said he quit because of cramps. There are several on here who have. ..but this cramps stuff is a joke...

I disagree with you Killer... I see no where if a fighter shows up that he gets an excuse. However I do think that Bobby and you, post very good post.

Bobby, go back and read the post(s) from others you will see all the excuses given.

Oh Bobby P where you calling me ****head? If so thanks, I appreciate your kind words.

It seems that wpink1 and killer101 are the same poster.

Anyway... .... No one has made excuses for Duran in this thread. So im not sure who u were telling to grow up.
Like i said, it has always been a mystery why Duran quit in that particular fight and not in his other 102 fights. No excuses, just possible reasons as to what made Duran quit.
:wank:

[wpink1]

I am Wpink....not no Killer...whatever...get it straing ..check ip address's.

[wpink1]

In fact I dont even agree with Killer on a lot things..I think your all twisted because I dont subscribe to this Duran excuse machine that is running rampant on here.

Also I post on 3 main sites under the same name. I agree and disagree with whomever. I don't need to have any help...I think my arguements are supported with facts very clealry.

[BennyST]

making these excuses as a whiner, nut hugger, and wonder aloud what are you getting out of it....Is duran going to bend you over and hit dat ass harder if you make excuses for him....Come on and grow up.

Jesus mate, take it easy. Look, to be honest. I'm not nearly the weirdo Duran nut hugger you think I am. Nor am I making any excuses for his losses. I don't need to. He lost. Thats all there is to it. He was in a fight and he quit. It's discussed endlessly in boxing. All I do is evaluate possible scenarios that lead to his decline. Because it's strange. Thats all. It still doesn't change the outcome. Just discussing it, not trying to figure out reasons to make it seem like he was an almighty god and couldn't lose if he didn't have stomach problems. The fight doesn't mean that much to me nor does Duran.

I'll tell you what though. Obviously it means a great deal to you with the amount of trouble you go to to find every single thread that even mentions Duran or Leonards name in it and give your huge essays on how Leonard was so perfect and how he made Duran quit. Man, I just don't care that much about a fighter. I think the only one here that would do bending over for a fighter is you with all the trouble you go to in Leonards name. Christ mate, it's not that important. Get over it. How much time have you spent sitting at a computer getting stressed over this issue? Creating endless essays?

Duran beat Leonard. Leonard made Duran quit. Leonard beat Duran in a **** fight when they were both crap. I'm pretty sure thats all there is to it when it comes down to it. Doesn't mean we don't like discussing certain trivialities but there is no need for it to take over our life like it obviously has some.

Please... like you have said. No need to start insulting. The only person caring that much about this issue is you. Your post count in these threads is actually scary.