The reason why roberto duran quit (No Mas).

[The Noose]

Get durans own book...still making excuses...Duran weight 188 at his biggest...Another think Leonard said he knew durans habits...meaning he did this all the time....this was nothing knew. Duran peaked during last few days of workouts..hmmmm

Just excuses...Duran had no cramps..no nothing only he was getting beaten,, and quit...

Also think....the fight was offered by Rays camp after one week down in Hawaii.... They did not wait until Duran ballooned up. However Duran always did this for all his fights..In the first fight he ballooned up to 183... The 230 pounds is an exaggeration as Durans book Hands of Stones documents..


I think you need to get your facts straight...There was no no mas...he said he is not fighting this clown...as this documentary says, and as I have been saying all along...He simply quit...Cramps ...where did he ever hold his stomach...It is a joke that grown men sit home and whine that he quit due to cramps...grow up people.

In the documentary Leonard himself says he thought Durans weakness was that he ballooned up between fights, believing that Duran needed more time to recover and train after such a gruelling 15 round fight. Leonard himself, a professional athlete knew what he was talking about. I think its a legitimate factor.
Also Duran stated he went up to 230....is he lying?

The documentary says Duran peaked in the days before the fight, but also that he didnt like training anymore and he seemed listless and uncoordinated at times.....so they must be also lying.

How do u know the book is the absolute truth?

Im just saying, be objective. If Duran said he had cramps, maybe he had cramps, no one other than Duran will ever know. But u cannot say he didnt.

[Underboss]

.. @ the jerk off smiley.

[Jim Jeffries]

Excuses, excuses.

So what were Ray's excuses for losing the first fight?

[Sugar_ITA]

Duran was frustrated. He was losing that match.. and he knew.
He hadn't trained well and he was humiliated by Leonard's move.
And he quit... there wasn't a warrior in Duran that night, there was an empty man who continued with boxing just because boxing was his life.
I think Roberto Duran's loss is a personal loss as a man.

[BennyST]

Get durans own book...still making excuses...Duran weight 188 at his biggest...Another think Leonard said he knew durans habits...meaning he did this all the time....this was nothing knew. Duran peaked during last few days of workouts..hmmmm

Just excuses...Duran had no cramps..no nothing only he was getting beaten,, and quit...

Also think....the fight was offered by Rays camp after one week down in Hawaii.... They did not wait until Duran ballonned up. However Duran always did this for all his fights..In the first fight he ballonned up to 183... The 230 pounds is an exaggeration as Durans book Hands of Stones documents..


I think you need to get your facts straight...There was no no mas...he said he is not fighting this clown...as this documentary says, and as I have been saying all along...He simply quit...Cramps ...where did he ever hold his stomach...It is a joke that grown men sit home and whine that he quit due to cramps...grow up people.

Good post. All good points. Except for the fact he did have stomach problems during the fight. What they were exactly or how bad...who knows? Check out the replay of the fight. At somewhere around the fourth or fifth round he asks for an ice pack for his stomach. You can see them applying it for the rest of the fight. Just stating the facts, not excuses.

I agree with Sugar_ITA. He had had enough by this point one way or the other. He didn't have that intangible that it took to come in and do what he had in their first fight. He had lost that little spark that would've carried him through the fight whether it be to a loss (which was most likely), draw or even another win (unlikely). So basically he was always going to lose the fight at this stage. With Ray boxing he may have lost it at any stage.

I think he had given his all one last time in the first fight and he either needed to retire or have a break to regain motivation. People are always going to look for one definitive answer when it's all right there. He hadn't trained that well and didn't have the hunger and didn't come in with the right fire needed to beat the young ultra primed and hungry fighter in Ray. When he knew he couldn't win with Ray fighting a brilliant fight and with the problems with his stomach getting to him it all just exploded in a fit of frustration, not helped by Rays taunting and mocking, and he quit without realising what he was doing. I think any other night he wouldn't have quit. It was just a myriad of problems that all snowballed into a horror night when he needed to be at his absolute best because there was a guy across the ring who simply wasn't going to be denied that night.

[eazy_mas]

In the documentary Leonard himself says he thought Durans weakness was that he ballooned up between fights, believing that Duran needed more time to recover and train after such a gruelling 15 round fight. Leonard himself, a professional athlete knew what he was talking about. I think its a legitimate factor.
Also Duran stated he went up to 230....is he lying?

The documentary says Duran peaked in the days before the fight, but also that he didnt like training anymore and he seemed listless and uncoordinated at times.....so they must be also lying.

How do u know the book is the absolute truth?

Im just saying, be objective. If Duran said he had cramps, maybe he had cramps, no one other than Duran will ever know. But u cannot say he didnt.

I was going to say the same because Duran even wasnt impressive in the training like he usally does e****ally the training in which was open to the public which you should be top form and be showing off you training abit but he didnt show that

[wpink1]

Benny Good and interesting post...However, if you look at several of Durans other fights...Benitez ( he has a ice pack on his stomach...Buchanon between 4-5th rounds he has an ice pack.


I have seen many many fighters get ice packs to their stomachs, and never quit. Maybe duran did have some issues..The fact is never before has a top fighter the level of a duran came up with such a lame excuse...and to hear fans stand behind it..he was losing going up until he quit. I hear excuse after excuse after excuse about duran and not of it pans out...at least in how we dont allow excuses for other fights...Hmmm example Did we excuse Tyson for snapping and biting Holyfields ear.... Or mcCall for snapping vs Lewis.... how about Liston for quitting on the bench the 1st time and then the fantom invisible punch....But for Duran we hear well he was not focused, he had the worst excuse of all time...Stomach cramps, he vs hearns was not the same fighter..look at his eyes...etc... etc....etc.... Hell it is a fact that Leonad had the flu one week before the 1st fight..Do you ever hear anyone echo that...Duran was plain and simple frusterated..he may not have been as devastating in the 2nd fight...but to say it was only because of him and try to repeatedly come up with excuses to nullify the exploits of his opponent is very weak and allows others to consider those making these excuses as a whiner, nut hugger, and wonder aloud what are you getting out of it....Is duran going to bend you over and hit dat ass harder if you make excuses for him....Come on and grow up.

Most other fighters never make excuses,,,do they? or if they do they are dismissed..Hmm james toney weight dehydrated for his fight with roy... roy muscle loss for his fight with Tarver......Duran lost plain and simple, just as Ray did the 1st fight. They are 1 and 1 in fights that are relevant.

[wpink1]

Duran was not impressive in training hmmmmm I think you need to see the training he did a week before, when all his followers and handlers where hollaring that he is better than last time, and he will knock ray out this time..Duran himself says this...It also seems that Duran says a lot of things based on the situation he is in..He says one day he had cramps, but ray arcel never knew of it,, He says another day he never had cramps...he says one day he trained better than ever and will knock ray out...(it is on the link earlier in this or a related thread).. next time after the fight that he did not train well..

Seems to me what we have here is some fanz that swing on Durans nuts..and if he loses he can tell them Hey I was only fighting with one arm...and you all will run and tell the world ...and truly believe it..but if anyone else offers an excuse...they are wimps...be a man..etc...

[wpink1]

My final word on this...as this is sooo funny...to hear grown men whine over excuses that my father would not have let me quit on in the 6th grade..my tummy hurt... I ask you this..if duran is soooo macho..then say it was true, no evidence, but say it was true..duran quits on a sore tummy,,, but Mayweahter fights on severla times with broken hands..one time so painful he dropped to a knee in pain, but got up and continue..hearns had his ribs damaged vs Leonard in round 6..., Ali had a broken jaw in round 1 vs norton...Gotti all the issues he had..... countless times through out history we have fighters supposedly not on the level as the god Duran or so you all call him but they tough it out and finish the fight because people work their asses of and pay hard earned money to see it, but you all want to give duran a pass and discredit his opponent because he had tummy pains....

That is hysterical.

[The Noose]

wpink1 hmmm, would u like to know what is really hysterical? That u talk about how people should grow up and stop whining, yet u call people nut huggers ( very mature), and fail to see that NOT A SINGLE PERSON has actually said that Duran quit because of stomach cramps.

The point of this discussion is merely to point out possible reasons why such a great fighter would quit. Duran had been in very tough fights before and never quit. He then went on to fight for a further 20 years and lost several times without quitting.

I dont believe he quit simply because of stomach cramps, and no one that has posted here seems to believe he quit just because of stomach cramps.
If he quit just because he was a quitter than why didnt he quit many times during his 103 fights????
Why would he make up such a lame excuse? Thats what is being debated. So maybe u should 'grow up' since no one else here as succumbed to name calling. ****head.