ray robinson vs willie pep as amateurs?

[Bundana]

Henry Hascup sent me this a couple of hours ago:

Norwich, CT Bulletin, December 3, 1938.

One of the surprises, or perhaps not so much of a surprise at that, came when Ray Roberts handed Willie Pep of Hartford, state flyweight amateur champion a neat lesson in boxing. Pep, who ranks tops in the division in the state, looked like a boy in his first novice bout after the first round. In the opening round Pep scored his only hit that gave him any claim to a title. It was a looping left hand that caught Roberts on the jaw and staggered him for a second or two. Although Pep rushed in for the kill he could not land the second blow that would have ended the bout then and there. After that it was all Roberts bout. He toyed with Pep, speared him with lefts, rocked him with rights and almost everything but flatten him, as Pep climbed aboard his bicycle and back peddled for all he was worth.

Pep Gets Lesson

Willie Pep, 122, of Hartford, state flyweight champion, was given a sweet boxing lesson by Ray Roberts, 123, the first of the Harlem team of golden glovers. With the exception of one blow struck in the first round which Pep shot over to rock Roberts, the bout developed into a bicycle race with Pep peddling for all he was worth. This boy Roberts showed as sweet a boxing exhibition as has ever been seen here. Not only that, but he showed the fans the famous Bolo punch for which Garcia is noted. It is one of the trick punches that start as a right hook and end up in a sweet uppercut. However, he did not land it, which is a very good thing for the Nutmeg champion.

Seem like Robinson clearly held the upper hand - and also dispels the myth that he outweighed Pep something even remotely close to 130-105.

[JAB5239]

Henry Hascup sent me this a couple of hours ago:

Norwich, CT Bulletin, December 3, 1938.

One of the surprises, or perhaps not so much of a surprise at that, came when Ray Roberts handed Willie Pep of Hartford, state flyweight amateur champion a neat lesson in boxing. Pep, who ranks tops in the division in the state, looked like a boy in his first novice bout after the first round. In the opening round Pep scored his only hit that gave him any claim to a title. It was a looping left hand that caught Roberts on the jaw and staggered him for a second or two. Although Pep rushed in for the kill he could not land the second blow that would have ended the bout then and there. After that it was all Roberts bout. He toyed with Pep, speared him with lefts, rocked him with rights and almost everything but flatten him, as Pep climbed aboard his bicycle and back peddled for all he was worth.

Pep Gets Lesson

Willie Pep, 122, of Hartford, state flyweight champion, was given a sweet boxing lesson by Ray Roberts, 123, the first of the Harlem team of golden glovers. With the exception of one blow struck in the first round which Pep shot over to rock Roberts, the bout developed into a bicycle race with Pep peddling for all he was worth. This boy Roberts showed as sweet a boxing exhibition as has ever been seen here. Not only that, but he showed the fans the famous Bolo punch for which Garcia is noted. It is one of the trick punches that start as a right hook and end up in a sweet uppercut. However, he did not land it, which is a very good thing for the Nutmeg champion.

Seem like Robinson clearly held the upper hand - and also dispels the myth that he outweighed Pep something even remotely close to 130-105.

He did. I was sent a couple articles from the IBRO that say the same thing.

[QueensburyRules]

Henry Hascup sent me this a couple of hours ago:

Norwich, CT Bulletin, December 3, 1938.

One of the surprises, or perhaps not so much of a surprise at that, came when Ray Roberts handed Willie Pep of Hartford, state flyweight amateur champion a neat lesson in boxing. Pep, who ranks tops in the division in the state, looked like a boy in his first novice bout after the first round. In the opening round Pep scored his only hit that gave him any claim to a title. It was a looping left hand that caught Roberts on the jaw and staggered him for a second or two. Although Pep rushed in for the kill he could not land the second blow that would have ended the bout then and there. After that it was all Roberts bout. He toyed with Pep, speared him with lefts, rocked him with rights and almost everything but flatten him, as Pep climbed aboard his bicycle and back peddled for all he was worth.

Pep Gets Lesson

Willie Pep, 122, of Hartford, state flyweight champion, was given a sweet boxing lesson by Ray Roberts, 123, the first of the Harlem team of golden glovers. With the exception of one blow struck in the first round which Pep shot over to rock Roberts, the bout developed into a bicycle race with Pep peddling for all he was worth. This boy Roberts showed as sweet a boxing exhibition as has ever been seen here. Not only that, but he showed the fans the famous Bolo punch for which Garcia is noted. It is one of the trick punches that start as a right hook and end up in a sweet uppercut. However, he did not land it, which is a very good thing for the Nutmeg champion.

Seem like Robinson clearly held the upper hand - and also dispels the myth that he outweighed Pep something even remotely close to 130-105.

- -Ray Roberts ain't Walker Smith.

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[JAB5239]

- -Ray Roberts ain't Walker Smith.

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You ain't never seen the fight.... FACT!!

[Bundana]

- -Ray Roberts ain't Walker Smith.

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Yes he is (see post #19).

[QueensburyRules]

Yes he is (see post #19).

- -The story has always been Walker Smith straight to Robinson.

And Pep won a fight without throwing a punch.

And the story in the lead up to the fight I watched used the SRR moniker and he and Willie were real and they fought for the first time in a great regional showdown.

The fight was real and impossible to score but of course judges forced to put down something and Robby won a non controversial decision and decades later they recreated the fight in an exhibition for fans.

What you provided is something else perhaps uncovered years later. Facts are AMA records are still poorly recorded to this day, so what can I say?

[JAB5239]

- -The story has always been Walker Smith straight to Robinson.

And Pep won a fight without throwing a punch.

And the story in the lead up to the fight I watched used the SRR moniker and he and Willie were real and they fought for the first time in a great regional showdown.

The fight was real and impossible to score but of course judges forced to put down something and Robby won a non controversial decision and decades later they recreated the fight in an exhibition for fans.

What you provided is something else perhaps uncovered years later. Facts are AMA records are still poorly recorded to this day, so what can I say?

Good Lord, you are the biggest liar on this forum!! What about what the IBRO provided? You conveniently look past that and Hhascup as it suits your agenda.

The fight was not filmed. Nobody from the IBRO has heard or seen film of it. You are a delusional lunatic.

[JAB5239]

- -The story has always been Walker Smith straight to Robinson.

And Pep won a fight without throwing a punch.

And the story in the lead up to the fight I watched used the SRR moniker and he and Willie were real and they fought for the first time in a great regional showdown.

The fight was real and impossible to score but of course judges forced to put down something and Robby won a non controversial decision and decades later they recreated the fight in an exhibition for fans.

What you provided is something else perhaps uncovered years later. Facts are AMA records are still poorly recorded to this day, so what can I say?

Why you running away? Come you delusional ****.....tell us again how you saw this fight on youtube!!! You pathetic SOB!!

[QueensburyRules]

Good Lord, you are the biggest liar on this forum!! What about what the IBRO provided? You conveniently look past that and Hhascup as it suits your agenda.

The fight was not filmed. Nobody from the IBRO has heard or seen film of it. You are a delusional lunatic.

- -The film has no bearing on what Ibro does, and they have a lot of members and U dummy ain't asked any much less all.

The fight was so nothing aside from the initial rush of seeing them as teens I had no incentive to ever watch it again. It was obviously produced well after the fact as it had the usual added commentary, but it's also been 15 yrs since I seen it.

Tons of fight films disappeared from public viewing after the great purge.

Really, U ban me from U threads, and yet reply to me on my own and others threads pretty much a window into U cowardly scavenger mentality.

[QueensburyRules]

Here's what Pep had to say about their 1938 encounter in the 1973 book "Friday's Heroes" (page 7):

Well I fight this guy and he's all over me. He's too good. Too big. He's punching me and punching me and I'm just trying to hang in there. When it ended and the guy won I heard his name was Ray Roberts. Later on I find out that, too, is a phony name because he was really Sugar Ray Robinson.

Doesn't sound to me, like they "canceled each other out", or that there "was nothing in it".

Also, Pep died in 2006, at the ripe old age of 84... so I strongly doubt he was senile already in '73!

- -Dunno when he went senile, some go in their 50s, but the fight had a lot of useless windmilling, and as the smaller more defensive fighter, that sounds like a good account in the trenches.

There was little boxing evident, just two wild kids we might see on a street corner late at night throwing down.