How Do You Rank All Time Greats?

[bklynboy]

There are soo many different catagories i could add to that!

OK. I'll start something and if you and others are interested we could build an interesting resource. It probably won't end any arguments such as "Was Louis better than Ali?" but it would be fun.

When I have the first stage done I'll add to this thread and post a link.

[The Iron Man]

Yeh sure m8, if u want i cant send you the excel spread sheet i have already done? Btw whats your list now? its always good to compare your 1st list

[Hawkins]

[QUOTE=The Iron Man;2795447]I done it on a Excel Spread Sheet Here :


How did you come up with the ratings for each catergory? Did you assign them yourself?

[The Iron Man]

Me and Poet Discussed them and when we reached a decision we put them on the spread Sheet

[Hawkins]

Me and Poet Discussed them and when we reached a decision we put them on the spread Sheet

Oh, just wondering if maybe you used some kind of program. Only reason I asked.

[The Iron Man]

Poest has a programme were two boxers fight, he said he was gonna do a tournement of the heavyweights, ut havent heard anything since he said that!

[-CANE-]

OK. I'll start something and if you and others are interested we could build an interesting resource. It probably won't end any arguments such as "Was Louis better than Ali?" but it would be fun.

When I have the first stage done I'll add to this thread and post a link.

I'd definately be interested in that. I had done a spreadsheet as well with their accomplishments on which is how I compile my list.

I then give them points in each category:-

1>Total years reigned = 5 points for every year
2>Total number of defenses = 5 points for every defense
3>Times champion = 10 points for every time they became champion, +2 points for every year since they won their first title, until winning 2nd title. e.g George Foreman won the title twice giving him 20points, he won his 1st title in 1973 and his 2nd in 1994 a gap of 21 years giving him a further 42 points.
4>Quality of opposition = A=20 points, B=10 points and C=5 points (Of course this is subjective and my opinion)
5>Impact on the sport = A=20 points, B=10 points and C=5 points (Again this is subjective and my own opinion)

I have left room for abilities which I have not yet done but will do shortly

Here is the spreadsheet:

NAME COUNTRY CAREER RECORD LENGTH OF REIGN(S) SUCCESFUL DEFENSES TITLE FIGHT RECORD % OF FIGHTS WON % WON BY KO % OF TITLE FIGHTS WON % WON BY KO IMPACT QUALITY OF OPP TIMES CHAMP POINTS RANKING POWER SPEED AGILITY CHIN STAMINA HEART DEFENCE
James J. Jeffries USA 18-1-2 14KOS 5 Years 6 Defenses 7-1-0 6KOS 0.86% 0.67% 0.88% 0.86% B A 1 95 13
Tommy Burns USA 47-1-4 39KOS 2 Years 11 Defenses 11-1-1 9KOS 0.90% 0.75% 0.85% 0.82% C C 1 85 14
Jack Johnson USA 68-10-10 49KOS 7 Years 6 Defenses 6-1-1 5KOS 0.77% 0.56% 0.75% 0.83% A B 1 105 9
Jack Dempsey USA 66-6-11 51KOS 7 Years 5 Defenses 6-2-0 5KOS 0.80% 0.61% 0.75% 0.83% A B 1 100 10
Joe Louis USA 69-3-0 55 KOS 12 Years 25 Defenses 26-1-0 23KOS 0.96% 0.76% 0.96% 0.88% A B 1 225 2
Ezzard Charles USA 89-25-1 50KOS 2 Years 8 Defenses 9-4-0 5KOS 0.77% 0.43% 0.69% 0.56% C B 1 75 15
Rocky Marciano USA 49-0-0 43KOS 4 Years 6 Defenses 7-0-0 6KOS 1.00% 0.88% 1.00% 0.86% A A 1 100 10
Floyd Patterson USA 55-8-1 40KOS 6 Years 7 Defenses 8-5-0 8KOS 0.86% 0.63% 0.62% 1.00% C C 2 97 12
Sonny Liston USA 50-4-0 39KOS 2 Years 2 Defenses 2-2-0 2KOS 0.93% 0.72% 0.50% 1.00% B B 1 50 16
Muhammad Ali USA 56-5-0 37KOS 8 Years 19 Defenses 22-3-0 14KOS 0.92% 0.61% 0.88% 0.64% A A 3 233 1
Joe Frazier USA 32-4-1 27KOS 5 Years 9 Defenses 10-2-0 8KOS 0.86% 0.73% 0.83% 0.80% B A 1 110 8
George Foreman USA 76-5-0 68KOS 2 Years 3 Defenses 5-3-0 4KOS 0.94% 0.84% 0.63% 0.80% A A 2 127 7
Larry Holmes USA 69-6-0 44KOS 7 Years 20 Defenses 21-5-0 15KOS 0.92% 0.59% 0.81% 0.71% C A 1 160 4
Mike Tyson USA 50-6-0-2 44KOS 5 Years 10 Defenses 12-4-0 10KOS 0.86% 0.76% 0.75% 0.83% A A 2 145 5
Evander Holyfield USA 42-8-2 27KOS 7 Years 7 Defenses 10-5-2 5KOS 0.81% 0.52% 0.59% 0.50% C A 4 145 5
Lennox Lewis GB 41-2-1 32KOS 9 Years 14 Defenses 15-2-1 11KOS 0.93% 0.73% 0.83% 0.73% C A 3 168 3

[Hawkins]

I think this is a question that needs to be asked to those of you who do rankings. This came about from discussion in the George Foreman : Overrated? thread.

To those that actively pursue creating your own top 10 all-time lists let me pose this scenario to you.

Fighter A - 2 Time Champion : Has won 40 fighters, yet out of those 40 fighters has only faced 7 ranked contenders. Of those 7 contenders he has defeated 2 fighters that could be placed in the catergory of being great. The rest were just good contenders. Defended his title 4 times.

Fighter B - also 2 Champion : Has won 39 fighters. Of these 39 fights has faced and defeated 17 fighters that are ranked, however only one of these fighters could be considered great, the rest just good contenders of the time. Defended his title 8 times.


Granted these are hypothetical, and not meant to emulate any certain fighter, but which fighter would you rate first? The reason I ask this is because certain standards seem to apply to only certain fighters (myself included) and would like to know how everone else feels about this.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Hawkins, I think that scenario would only come into play when ranking fighters that could only be read about. I wouldn't base my conclusions on that scenario alone without viewing the fights. But to answer your question, I would lean toward the fighter that beat fewer top ten fighters but beat two greats. For example take Ali, Foreman, and Frazier. Amongst each other, Ali was the only one out of the three that beat two fighters, Foreman and Frazier had both beat one. But I'm sure good examples could be made for both.

[The Iron Man]

I couldnt just rate them on those facts, i would need to know more about the fighters. Era they fought in, their attributes any other achievements.