Ali vs Holmes - who wins?

[Dr. Z]

Larry Holmes is a strange one, he went many years maybe being slightly underrated, but now is being massively overrated. He reigned in a very weak era. Honestly, I'd put him on the same level as the likes of Dillian Whyte.

WOW. Holmes on the same level as Dillian Whyte? Just wow.

Holmes wasn't lucky with the judges ( He clearly beat Spinks in the re-match ) not did he have issues as often as Ali did vs lesser competition.

Holmes often fought much younger men.

[billeau2]

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[QueensburyRules]

Does any1 here give Holmes any chance of beating Ali.
Both in their prime.

Holmes from his sparring sessions looks awesome, and fights in a similar fashion to Ali.

- -There is zer0 evidence of any version of Holmesy beating a prime champ.

None.

NOONE!

But the koolaide boys gonna be splashing koolaide everywhere

[thebrownbomber_]

WOW. Holmes on the same level as Dillian Whyte? Just wow.

Holmes wasn't lucky with the judges ( He clearly beat Spinks in the re-match ) not did he have issues as often as Ali did vs lesser competition.

Holmes often fought much younger men.

This man who you are responding too is a troll. He considers fighters like Norton and Cooney and Shavers would flatline a majority of todays heavyweights besides Tyson Fury a "weak era".

[Dr. Z]

This man who you are responding too is a troll. He considers fighters like Norton and Cooney and Shavers would flatline a majority of todays heavyweights besides Tyson Fury a "weak era".

Okay, being somewhat new, I'm still learning who the trolls are. I'm for a no feeding the trolls standard.

[them_apples]

Holmes was just a good imitation of Ali, he tried to be faster but he naturally wasn't, he tried to run his mouth but he naturally wasn't good at it - so he just looked like a try hard.

A shadow of Ali is still very good though, especially in a weaker era.

[Ben Bolt]

A shadow of Ali is still very good though, especially in a weaker era.

But was it a weak era? The early 80s produced a lot of talented heavies. Some of them got beaten by Holmes (an insignia of a dominant champ), the others were in top shape when they fought for the WBA crown.

Their weakness were that once they had earned big money, they couldn’t handle the good life that the 1980s was ready to offer them.
Had they all been born some decades earlier, when boxing was about bringing food on the table, they had been more dedicated to their task, and been significant forces in every earlier decade.

And if Ali had never existed, how would we have remembered Joe Frazier? "A decent fighter he was, but he got exposed and demolished by Foreman twice." Had Foreman’s resume been "he ruled in a weak era" …

[them_apples]

But was it a weak era? The early 80s produced a lot of talented heavies. Some of them got beaten by Holmes (an insignia of a dominant champ), the others were in top shape when they fought for the WBA crown.

Their weakness were that once they had earned big money, they couldn’t handle the good life that the 1980s was ready to offer them.
Had they all been born some decades earlier, when boxing was about bringing food on the table, they had been more dedicated to their task, and been significant forces in every earlier decade.

And if Ali had never existed, how would we have remembered Joe Frazier? "A decent fighter he was, but he got exposed and demolished by Foreman twice." Had Foreman’s resume been "he ruled in a weak era" …

This very well may have been the case, but the fact remains that Frazier did beat Ali, and did prove he was more than Foremans punching bag. It's not all Holmes fault, but we cant go by guesswork. All we can use is the evidence.

[billeau2]

But was it a weak era? The early 80s produced a lot of talented heavies. Some of them got beaten by Holmes (an insignia of a dominant champ), the others were in top shape when they fought for the WBA crown.

Their weakness were that once they had earned big money, they couldn’t handle the good life that the 1980s was ready to offer them.
Had they all been born some decades earlier, when boxing was about bringing food on the table, they had been more dedicated to their task, and been significant forces in every earlier decade.

And if Ali had never existed, how would we have remembered Joe Frazier? "A decent fighter he was, but he got exposed and demolished by Foreman twice." Had Foreman’s resume been "he ruled in a weak era" …

Green K Excellent comments. Thought provoking!

[HOUDINI563]

Interestingly I watch Spinks Holmes 2 live on TV when it occurred. I felt at bouts end it was a comfortable Holmes win. In fact I did not even want to wait for the decision I was so confident that Holmes had regained the title.

Fast forward decades and just last year I rewatched each round and scored it. Spinks won. Holmes jumped out with a huge lead up to mid fight but exhausted himself in the process. Spinks started fighting back and Holmes won very few rounds from that point on. In the end it was M Spinks by a point or two.