Joe Louis: A Retrospective

[billeau2]

- -Vitali used a low guard to much success.

The Ks and Louis had superior footwork to most heavies. They weren't runners/stinkers.

As to footwork, AJ and Jeffries beat every heavy in history thru 100 meters. Fury would be among the slowest, yet in short distances of the ring he manages quite well, thank you.

Ali vs Louis 100 meters, who U rubes got?

A low guard is a preference, not a foible, as you indicate. I see where you are going on the speed versus work... Its a good point.

[Dr. Z]

- -Vitali used a low guard to much success.

The Ks and Louis had superior footwork to most heavies. They weren't runners/stinkers.

As to footwork, AJ and Jeffries beat every heavy in history thru 100 meters. Fury would be among the slowest, yet in short distances of the ring he manages quite well, thank you.

Ali vs Louis 100 meters, who U rubes got?

Yes, he does and when you are 6'7" 1/2 with good punch anticipation, combined with his footwork, you can get away with it.

Vitali was never floored in his professional career. One of the very few. And he was seldom hit by the second punch.

[Dr. Z]

I just looked at tape. I want to open a thread. My interest is to be constructive here, but frankly, you have to know what you are looking at. Just looking at tape and seeing something that catches your eye is not enough...

Let me respond to you first:

What you are seeing Lewis and Godoy also employing is what is called a false front.



This video gives some inight into the use of this position. Because one is slightly at an angle, film makes it look (when the back is bent) like the head is either in front, or behind. Godoy also employs the same position. It is an example of how skilled guys were in the craft of boxing back then.

How can you not look at the film objective and see that Louis did not have a good defense?

That guy you posted has a short torso and big arms, so the defense and least for his "training film" can work for him.

Note you pick a different body type, not in a filmed fight to make you point.

He's nothing like Louis. Our should I say Louis is nothing like him? His arms are short and big, and his torso short, making it easy too cover up.

I think I do know what Im looking at. Thank you. Take note, the boxing coach who fighting nobody has a high right hand. Joe Louis was often had a low guard with one hand and and you should know that by watching the films.

Which films do you want to go over?

How about Godoy 1, Schmeling 1, and Walcott 1. If you want to add Conn 1 go for it. I'll spare you Glaento as you think he's very skilled and I see a guy who short & fat, not to advanced beyond tough man.

[Dynamite76]

No doubt Joe Louis was great. Should have fought Lem Franklin though.

[billeau2]

How can you not look at the film objective and see that Louis did not have a good defense?

That guy you posted has a short torso and big arms, so the defense and least for his "training film" can work for him.

Note you pick a different body type, not in a filmed fight to make you point.

He's nothing like Louis. Our should I say Louis is nothing like him? His arms are short and big, and his torso short, making it easy too cover up.

I think I do know what Im looking at. Thank you. Take note, the boxing coach who fighting nobody has a high right hand. Joe Louis was often had a low guard with one hand and and you should know that by watching the films.

Which films do you want to go over?

How about Godoy 1, Schmeling 1, and Walcott 1. If you want to add Conn 1 go for it. I'll spare you Glaento as you think he's very skilled and I see a guy who short & fat, not to advanced beyond tough man.

Areyouforreal? It has nothing to do with the build of the guy!

I looked at Godoy1. It has nothing to do with a right hand... Its a convention, one you were unaware of. And now you critique the guy explaining? Look, you don't make sense to me. I am sure you are sensible but I can't get how you are looking at things when you tell me about the guy explaining... Its like you asking me to review a movie and I tell you about the usher.

I gave you a vid explaing a false centerline... I explained how using this makes the head look out of sorts... You come back telling me about the build of the guy making the video and talk about a low guard and right hand.

Explain to me how Godoy1 shows Louis sticking his head out... They fought in a phone booth for much of that fight.

[Dr. Z]

No doubt Joe Louis was great. Should have fought Lem Franklin though.

Yep him too.

[billeau2]

Yes, he does and when you are 6'7" 1/2 with good punch anticipation, combined with his footwork, you can get away with it.

Vitali was never floored in his professional career. One of the very few. And he was seldom hit by the second punch.

Seldom fought anyone who presented a real challenge... With that said, I believe he was better than his brother, and could have been a much better fighter had he challenged himself.

[QueensburyRules]

No doubt Joe Louis was great. Should have fought Lem Franklin though.

- -Lem, R.I.P. had notched 7 KO losses before his 8th where he met his unfortunate demise, age 28.

Had Joe fought him, the typical BS ninny gonna be blubbering about something else

[Dynamite76]

- -Lem, R.I.P. had notched 7 KO losses before his 8th where he met his unfortunate demise, age 28.

Had Joe fought him, the typical BS ninny gonna be blubbering about something else

Maybe, but if Lem had caught him, we might have a different timeline for heavyweight history.

[QueensburyRules]

Maybe, but if Lem had caught him, we might have a different timeline for heavyweight history.

- -Had I been gifted the Ali Holmsey fought, I'd have been the lineal hvy champ like Leon and U boys be bowing and scraping as is U natures.