BEST POUND 4 POUND CHAMP EVER? and top 10

[butterfly1964]

Here's my list, head-to-head.

1. Muhammad Ali (HW)
2. Sugar Ray Robinson (WW)
3. Henry Armstrong (LW)
4. Joe Gans (LW)
5. Willie Pep (FW)
6. Roberto Duran (LW)
7. Ezzard Charles (LHW)
8. Sugar Ray Leonard (WW)
9. Roy Jones, Jr. (LHW)
10. Joe Louis (HW)

[hhascup]

Back to the Ali/Louis debate in closing: Of all the rankings I have been exposed to through the years, a vast majority (about 80%) have ranked Louis ahead of Ali.

I have most of the top boxing historians and experts ratings and it's getting a lot closer as time goes by. In fact of 33 boxing expert and Historian's list that I have, Ali actually is ahead now.

Back when I was a kid, in the late 50's, early 60's, most of them had Dempsey as #1. Now I am pretty sure, neither Dempsey or Louis had anymore bouts but the rating changed as time went on.

Of the 33 I have (this is not counting anyone that didn't see Ali's 2nd career, like Nat Fleischer)

Boxer ------ 1 --2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6
Ali had ---- 19 - 6 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 0 - 1 had him rated #9
Louis had -- 11-14 - 3 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 1 had him outside the top 10

[sterling]

oh thats close ali had more talent then louis i reckon

[Panamaniac]

Continuing coversation with hhascup...

Also of note to this obserer is the fact that Muhammad Ali's ranking among the best heavyweights, as well as his ranking overall (p4p) was higher among today's contemporaries as opposed to the old-timers. That is, the younger the individual, the higher his placement of Muhammad Ali.

I have most of the top boxing historians and experts ratings and it's getting a lot closer as time goes by. In fact of 33 boxing expert and Historian's list that I have, Ali actually is ahead now.

Back when I was a kid, in the late 50's, early 60's, most of them had Dempsey as #1. Now I am pretty sure, neither Dempsey or Louis had anymore bouts but the rating changed as time went on.

I alluded to that phenomenon above - Ali's stock goes up with the passage of time. This generation and those to follow will be responsible for Ali's increasing majority ranking as the top heavyweight, or at least ahead of Louis.

Given the greater picture however, I doubt that Ali will ever replace Sugar Ray Robinson as the overall (p4p) greatest fighter of all time. That honor may be reserved for someone whose parents have yet to meet.

[hhascup]

I alluded to that phenomenon above - Ali's stock goes up with the passage of time. This generation and those to follow will be responsible for Ali's increasing majority ranking as the top heavyweight, or at least ahead of Louis.

Given the greater picture however, I doubt that Ali will ever replace Sugar Ray Robinson as the overall (p4p) greatest fighter of all time. That honor may be reserved for someone whose parents have yet to meet.

Yes, most people say it's Robinson and you can't really go wrong their.

[Krucial]

i'd say to be the best pound for pound you gotta beat a list of good-great fighters from more than 1 division(the division u started in,the division u rise in)

pernell whitaker would have to be number 1
light - greg haugen,roger mayweather,azumah nelson,jose ramirez,gorge paez
jr welter - rafael pineda
welter - wilfredo rivera,buddy mcgirt,julio cesar chavez
jr middle - julio vasquez

he ducked noone
most of these fighters were undefeated wen they fought sweet pea

[Piggu]

Is this thread a joke? Roy Jones? What the ****?!

[wpink1]

Intersting Roy Jones. To be a top pound per pound ever, you need to beat top quality, not beat a couple of good fighters. Generally quality of opposition is a top considering factor. Roy beating only Hopkins and Toney as great fighers, IMO does not make him a top fighter, not like a Robinson, Ali, Duran, Leonard.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Too bad Jones wasn't around during a time when he could be tested. The same old argument will always come up against him, but at least he'll always be considered. I don't think any fighter looked as good as Jones did in his prime.

[QueensburyRules]

i'd say to be the best pound for pound you gotta beat a list of good-great fighters from more than 1 division(the division u started in,the division u rise in)

pernell whitaker would have to be number 1
light - greg haugen,roger mayweather,azumah nelson,jose ramirez,gorge paez
jr welter - rafael pineda
welter - wilfredo rivera,buddy mcgirt,julio cesar chavez
jr middle - julio vasquez

he ducked noone
most of these fighters were undefeated wen they fought sweet pea

- -None you mentioned were conferred p4p status.

By Ring ratings that Pea came under, manny over all else in a blowout...jus sayin'...