BEST POUND 4 POUND CHAMP EVER? and top 10

[sterling]

roy was amazing when he was at heavy he was small compared to them but stil had power and speed he should of stayed back then.

[LondonRingRules]

Thats why its p4p,....size and weight doesnt factor in.

** Au contraire. Roy and Robby are about the same height. Robby was at his best at welter, Roy as middle/supermiddle. Only a 6% difference between them. Yet Roy was slaughtering big stronger fighters than himself, not outpointing them like Robby might do.

The best fighter Robby met at welter was Gavilan which ended up with a very controversial decision for Robby followed by a wide decision.

Now, compare to Roy who won a wide decision over Hopkins with a broken hand. a complete shutout of Toney, and wide decision over McCallum, all fighters bigger and stronger than Roy I might add.

Robby gets extra props for competing well past his best weight and prime as a middle, something Roy sort of duped as a LH, but not nearly at the same level of comp as Robby.

Career is Robby hands down. Peak is Roy, no contest.

[Lubutheimmortal]

** Au contraire. Roy and Robby are about the same height. Robby was at his best at welter, Roy as middle/supermiddle. Only a 6% difference between them. Yet Roy was slaughtering big stronger fighters than himself, not outpointing them like Robby might do.

The best fighter Robby met at welter was Gavilan which ended up with a very controversial decision for Robby followed by a wide decision.

Now, compare to Roy who won a wide decision over Hopkins with a broken hand. a complete shutout of Toney, and wide decision over McCallum, all fighters bigger and stronger than Roy I might add.

Robby gets extra props for competing well past his best weight and prime as a middle, something Roy sort of duped as a LH, but not nearly at the same level of comp as Robby.

Career is Robby hands down. Peak is Roy, no contest.

Thats your opinion. I respect it but have to disagree. SRR defeated more hall of famers, and champions. You think they ****** compared to RJJ's competition, but ok. P4p factors in weight as well my friend. Robby as you call him has several KO's waaaay more then Roy boy so why couldnt he knockout LHW's? After all he lost going 14 rounds in like 110+ temp, it was his opponent that beat him it was the heat. He about died that night, simply trying to win,....dont see Jones doing anything like that.

[LondonRingRules]

Thats your opinion. I respect it but have to disagree. SRR defeated more hall of famers, and champions. You think they ****** compared to RJJ's competition, but ok. P4p factors in weight as well my friend.

** Nobody ever claimed Ray's comp was bad. It was smaller because he's a smaller man. Roy didn't start off fighting lightweights.

They are only 6% difference in size at their peaks. Shrink Roy down to fit and you have a lightning fast Camacho type fighter on steroids. Very difficult to track down while eating flurries you can't see and crawling around on the canvas.

Roy had his way with durable HOF boxer/puncher types with larger body frames, yet Robinson was knocked through the ropes by Lamotta and staggered by Doyle, fighters with inferior speed and power to Roy.

Peak matches don't respect longevity or greatness, like Tyson v Louis, or SRLeonard v Armstrong or Ross. Peak welts who have an even chance to knock off Robby would be Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Griffith, Curry, and those are just his natural peers. Shrink Tyson down, oh my, you'd have a 5'4" wrecking ball you can't see.

Also, oodles of really great peak fighters who don't make all time lists, but knocked off greats in single inspired performances or held it together for only a few fights before health problems or personal problems derail them. The Hurricane Carters of the business, guys like that who may completely obliterate a great like Emile Griffith, but will never be a champ.

[Lubutheimmortal]

** Nobody ever claimed Ray's comp was bad. It was smaller because he's a smaller man. Roy didn't start off fighting lightweights.

They are only 6% difference in size at their peaks. Shrink Roy down to fit and you have a lightning fast Camacho type fighter on steroids. Very difficult to track down while eating flurries you can't see and crawling around on the canvas.

Roy had his way with durable HOF boxer/puncher types with larger body frames, yet Robinson was knocked through the ropes by Lamotta and staggered by Doyle, fighters with inferior speed and power to Roy.

Peak matches don't respect longevity or greatness, like Tyson v Louis, or SRLeonard v Armstrong or Ross. Peak welts who have an even chance to knock off Robby would be Leonard, Duran, Hearns, Griffith, Curry, and those are just his natural peers. Shrink Tyson down, oh my, you'd have a 5'4" wrecking ball you can't see.

Also, oodles of really great peak fighters who don't make all time lists, but knocked off greats in single inspired performances or held it together for only a few fights before health problems or personal problems derail them. The Hurricane Carters of the business, guys like that who may completely obliterate a great like Emile Griffith, but will never be a champ.

Your claims of Roy having more power and speed p4p is something I just dont agree with. Lamotta is a ATG, and his style is nothing like Roys so saying since Lamotta knocked down Robinson and since Roy hit SOOOO much harder then Lamotta p4p Roy > Robinson is crazy. Plus Lamotta may of had 20 + pounds on Robinson that night, and Robinson got the W over Lamotta FIVE more times after..... . Roy avenged his lose to Tarver how many times (counting the W before his lose doenst count as a avenged W).....? Ray fought the better p4p opposition, accomplished waaaaaay more. Proved himselves to be able to fight forward or backwards, and proved if things are looking down and a L is on the way he WILL find a way to win. Jones hasnt done this idc how many times he knocked someone down, or how many hits he stepped back from. I dont see RJJ over SRR in a p4p ATG list. I dont put Roy on my list for reasons stated, and you dis agree I am not going to keep repeating myself over this. P4p Mike Tyson gets clocked earily by SRR, Mike like Roy had no heart, and Ray had quite the punch himself. If you think Roy Jones Jr could go 15 rounds with out getting clocked hard by several ATG's then thats your opinion I dis agree but I wont try to argue with you over it.

[LondonRingRules]

. Roy avenged his lose to Tarver how many times

** Look I've already acknowledged Robinson as the best p4p champ ever. You changed the debate to who could beat who best to best.

Different topic. As a peak fighter Robinson is only one of many greats and not so greats. Talking about a Roy loss when he's 35 has nothing to do with Roy's peak or prime.

[Lubutheimmortal]

** Look I've already acknowledged Robinson as the best p4p champ ever. You changed the debate to who could beat who best to best.

Different topic. As a peak fighter Robinson is only one of many greats and not so greats. Talking about a Roy loss when he's 35 has nothing to do with Roy's peak or prime.

If it exposed his chin,heart, and will it does. The same thing of very well happened to him during his prime @ SMW. He just happened to be so fast (not being sarcastic) it didnt matter. All I am saying is if you compare a prime for prime Ray n Roy then compare the two in a p4p fight meaning era, weight, size , and ect doesnt matter. Roy's chin would be his undoing.

Besides I only began so dis agree with the listing when Roy was ahead of Ray. I could see someone putting him ahead of Duran, Louis, Ali, Tyson, Leonard (ect,ect,ect,ect,ect) and we agree that Robinson is the p4p #1. I personallt dont think he ranks there I made my reasons why and you dont agree on my logic for doing so. Thats fine with me, but I wont just say "Yea your right".

[LondonRingRules]

If it exposed his chin,heart, and will it does. .

** Nothing to do with peak son.

Louis was KOed twice, once early, once in last fight. Glass jaw with no chance against anyone?

Ali wanted to quit 3x, the first Liston fight, the 3rd Frazier fight, and finally he did the Holmes fight though everyone will say it was his corner, when in fact Holmes had been carrying him. Ali, quitter with no chance against anyone?

Duran, "No Mas." Duran, quitter with no chance against anyone?

Carlos Ortiz against Buchanan, Kotsyu/Hatton, Chavez/Weber, quitters with no chance against anyone?

Ezzard Charles, 6-13 with 4 KOs losses after Rocky, last fight at same age Roy is now....no chance against anyone?

[Lubutheimmortal]

** Nothing to do with peak son.

Louis was KOed twice, once early, once in last fight. Glass jaw with no chance against anyone?

Ali wanted to quit 3x, the first Liston fight, the 3rd Frazier fight, and finally he did the Holmes fight though everyone will say it was his corner, when in fact Holmes had been carrying him. Ali, quitter with no chance against anyone?

Duran, "No Mas." Duran, quitter with no chance against anyone?

Carlos Ortiz against Buchanan, Kotsyu/Hatton, Chavez/Weber, quitters with no chance against anyone?

Ezzard Charles, 6-13 with 4 KOs losses after Rocky, last fight at same age Roy is now....no chance against anyone?

I've already said Jones has yet to prove himself, and Duran Louis Robinson ect has indeed proved themselves making those events in thier career rare occurences, or flukes.

[sterling]

at least roy jones jr is stil fighting and winnning.