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[Rusty Tromboni]

- -U leaky rusty bucket needs a diaper.

This thread used to be a high end discussion over heavyweight merits til U befouled the forum.

That's no surprise to you. I've always said I come to you only when I can't afford anything better.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Ranking Heavyweights P4P

Finally an honest list:

1) Fury
2) Dempsey
3) Tunney
4 ) Corbett
5) Fitz
6 ) Sullivan
8 ) Quarry
9) Louis
10) Ali
H.M.: Marciano, Holyfield, Frazier, Tyson, Holmes

[Willie Pep 229]

I guess there are lots of ways to define P4P, here's another different way.

So imagine Dempsey only fighting fighters <190 and Fury only fighting fighters >280!

We both agree Dempsey's ends up high on that list but I don't see Fury dominating 280 plus fighters . . . there are probably some defensive ends in the NFL that make Fury look soft maybe even small (Re you comment regarding the draining off of post WWII fight talent to professional sports.)

I 'casually' think Ftz is a no brainier considering his size vs. (good) opposition and then Dempsey for similar reasons.

1. Ftz
2. Dempsey

Then this P4P criteria makes me think of 5'10" 215 (1988) Mike Tyson next. Imagine Tyson (88) limited to fighting only "Michael Spinkses" or smaller! Maybe he should be #1 on the list.

3. Mike Tyson

But after that it gets murky . . . where do we place Tommy Burns (175) with only four loses with only one stoppage (JJ@195)?

4. Tommy Burns

Just trying to imagine these guys facing people eye to eye and pound to pound

5. Joe Frazier

6. Rocky Marciano

Both for the same reasons; spent much of their careers reaching up, deadly if looking their opponents eye to eye.

I guess this definition of P4P doesn't lend itself to praising big fighters but it seems to me I want to put Young Foreman on the list.

7. Big George I

8. Larry Holmes

Larry almost seems timeless and sizeless; kinda of a perfect boxing technician whose style could slip seamlessly into any weight class or boxing epoch.

9. Joe Louis

10. Tyson Fury

I don't agree with Fury but after Louis I can't think of anyone with a better argument than Fury.

I still say we will never know, he going to fight once more, maybe twice max.

I don't see Jerry Quarry on the list. Certainly a very tough fighter who almost always gave away weight and size, but back in the day I don't remember him dominating fighters even his size. E.g. Patterson

[Rusty Tromboni]

Ummm what college sports did u play?

I doubt many fighters would look good at all fighting at 270 lbs.

The human body starts to fail men around 200ish pounds. At least in the early 20s.

With a lot of kids I've worked with 1p pounds makes a massive difference.

[hansS]

A lot of white fighters bumped up for no reason?

[Rusty Tromboni]

I guess there are lots of ways to define P4P, here's another different way.

So imagine Dempsey only fighting fighters <190 and Fury only fighting fighters >280!

We both agree Dempsey's ends up high on that list but I don't see Fury dominating 280 plus fighters . . . there are probably some defensive ends in the NFL that make Fury look soft maybe even small (Re you comment regarding the draining off of post WWII fight talent to professional sports.)

I 'casually' think Ftz is a no brainier considering his size vs. (good) opposition and then Dempsey for similar reasons.

1. Ftz
2. Dempsey

Then this P4P criteria makes me think of 5'10" 215 (1988) Mike Tyson next. Imagine Tyson (88) limited to fighting only "Michael Spinkses" or smaller! Maybe he should be #1 on the list.

3. Mike Tyson

But after that it gets murky . . . where do we place Tommy Burns (175) with only four loses with only one stoppage (JJ@195)?

4. Tommy Burns

Just trying to imagine these guys facing people eye to eye and pound to pound

5. Joe Frazier

6. Rocky Marciano

Both for the same reasons; spent much of their careers reaching up, deadly if looking their opponents eye to eye.

I guess this definition of P4P doesn't lend itself to praising big fighters but it seems to me I want to put Young Foreman on the list.

7. Big George I

8. Larry Holmes

Larry almost seems timeless and sizeless; kinda of a perfect boxing technician whose style could slip seamlessly into any weight class or boxing epoch.

9. Joe Louis

10. Tyson Fury

I don't agree with Fury but after Louis I can't think of anyone with a better argument than Fury.

I still say we will never know, he going to fight once more, maybe twice max.

I don't see Jerry Quarry on the list. Certainly a very tough fighter who almost always gave away weight and size, but back in the day I don't remember him dominating fighters even his size. E.g. Patterson

I do appreciate your effort, but you should have researched what "pound for pound" means before posting, rather than taking a wild guess. Especially after all that effort.

A stitch in time, mate.

[Rusty Tromboni]

A lot of white fighters bumped up for no reason?

Except ya know.... for the reason provided IN THE THREAD'S TITLE.

[Willie Pep 229]

I do appreciate your effort, but you should have researched what "pound for pound" means before posting, rather than taking a wild guess. Especially after all that effort.

A stitch in time, mate.

P4P means nothing except what the speaker wants it to mean. The phrase has been around for decades and has always had multiple definitions.

Besides I thought I made it clear at the top that this was just a 'another different' way to define it.

But the real truth here is that you are preoccupied with being right and others being wrong, not interested in the discussion itself, and that there really isn't must point (or any fun at all) in having a discussion with you, so I will cease and not distract you any further.

[Rusty Tromboni]

P4P means nothing except what the speaker wants it to mean. The phrase has been around for decades and has always had multiple definitions.

Besides I thought I made it clear at the top that this was just a 'another different' way to define it.

But the real truth here is that you are preoccupied with being right and others being wrong, not interested in the discussion itself, and that there really isn't must point (or any fun at all) in having a discussion with you, so I will cease and not distract you any further.

No. It's been around for centuries and it means "if all were of equal size..."
It comes dog and **** fighting. Often fighting breeds are smaller than average. That doesn't mean a 40 pound Pit Bull will beat a St. Bernard, or Boerboel or even a big nasty Rottweiler, but there's a reason those aren't fighting breeds.

Jerry Quarry is the essence of P4P. Foreman is the antithesis.

[QueensburyRules]

Jerry Quarry is the essence of P4P. Foreman is the antithesis.

- -U vying 4 p4p idiocy priceless!