Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

[sonnyboyx2]

1/. Ali
2/. Dempsey
3/. Louis
4/. Frazier
5/. Tunney
6/. Charles
7/. Holmes
8/. Tyson
9/. Johnson
10/.Liston

no Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Klitschko or Marciano as it is my opinion that they would lose to the 10 fighters i rated above

[frankenfrank]

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. George Foreman
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Mike Tyson
5. Larry Holmes
6. Oliver McCall
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Wladimir Klitschko
9. David Tua
10. Evander Holyfield

See my thread for why Foreman over Ali , but there is another reason :
Performance against mutual opponents.

Bowe and Ibeabuchi were simply not proven enough.
Byrd , Tucker and Douglas were close to enter the list.
Frazier , Louis and Marciano simply do not belong in 201+ , Marciano could have been a top 10 at 175 , and Frazier a top 10 at 200.
Their best wins were not 201+ as well , so they are actually unproven at this weight.
Liston ? except Patterson whom was actually another 175lber fighting against unlimited weight opponents who did he ever beat ?

[StarshipTrooper]

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. George Foreman
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Mike Tyson
5. Larry Holmes
6. Oliver McCall
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Wladimir Klitschko
9. David Tua
10. Evander Holyfield

See my thread for why Foreman over Ali , but there is another reason :
Performance against mutual opponents.

Bowe and Ibeabuchi were simply not proven enough.
Byrd , Tucker and Douglas were close to enter the list.
Frazier , Louis and Marciano simply do not belong in 201+ , Marciano could have been a top 10 at 175 , and Frazier a top 10 at 200.
Their best wins were not 201+ as well , so they are actually unproven at this weight.
Liston ? except Patterson whom was actually another 175lber fighting against unlimited weight opponents who did he ever beat ?

This is the new candidate for the most ******ed list I've ever seen. BTW, Liston beat Cleveland Williams twice plus has a win over Eddie Machen who were superior to 7 of the fighters you mention.

Do you really believe the ignorant garbage you spew (which would make you a complete spastic ******) or do you just like to go on-line and pretend to be a bottom-feeding assclown because you like making a fool of yourself? Either way it makes you look pretty damn pathetic

Poet

[Jim Jeffries]

1/. Ali
2/. Dempsey
3/. Louis
4/. Frazier
5/. Tunney
6/. Charles
7/. Holmes
8/. Tyson
9/. Johnson
10/.Liston

no Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Klitschko or Marciano as it is my opinion that they would lose to the 10 fighters i rated above

So your list has nothing to do with greatness, but is based on nothing but h2h?

Interesting then to have Frazier at 4 and Foreman nowhere in sight, and then state George would lose to the 10 fighters you listed.

[Joeyzagz]

1. Vitali Klitschko
2. George Foreman
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Mike Tyson
5. Larry Holmes
6. Oliver McCall
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Wladimir Klitschko
9. David Tua
10. Evander Holyfield

See my thread for why Foreman over Ali , but there is another reason :
Performance against mutual opponents.

I assume you are basing your list solely on domination of opponents, thats the only way this list makes any sense whatsoever.

The reason Lennox is ranked so low is because he was busy fighting 5 of the other guys on your list. Beat them all btw, for better or for worse.

Meanwhile your #1 was facing Danny Williams, Kirk Johnson and Juan Carlos Gomez..Mediocre.... Has-beens and green upstarts.

Lennox was very capable of absolute domination of mediocre opponents the problem was that he was occupied with 16 championship bouts/14 title defenses which is more than your #1, 2 and 4 put together.....


Lennox KO'd Golota in 1 round (had never been KO'd)

Michael Grant in 2 rounds (had never lost)

Razor Ruddock in 2 rounds (had never been put to sleep)

^^So if Lennox had the benefit of starting from the bottom(Foreman), or inheriting a weak division(Vitali), he could very well have a KO% of 90, his Power was amazing! But if anything else you should give him credit for out-witting a young Prime Vitali when they went head-to-head. If Vitali couldnt beat a slow, old Lennox, I doubt hed beat any of the younger versions either.

[sonnyboyx2]

So your list has nothing to do with greatness, but is based on nothing but h2h?

Interesting then to have Frazier at 4 and Foreman nowhere in sight, and then state George would lose to the 10 fighters you listed.

my list is nothing to do with head 2 head.. its the best 10 heavyweights in history IMO... all the ten fighters i listed are greater and better than Foreman

[McGrain]

01 - Muhammad Ali
02 - Joe Louis
03 - Lennox Lewis
04 - Sonny Liston
05 - Larry Holmes
06 - Joe Frazier
07 - Rocky Marciano
08 - George Foreman
09 - Mike Tyson
10 - Evander Holyfield

11 - Jack Johnson
12 - Harry Wills
13 - Jim Jeffries
14 - Jack Dempsey

These are the great HWs IMO. After that things get a little softer and you can list any number of HW's.

15 - Sam Langford
16 - Max Schmeling
17 - Jersey Joe Walcott
18 - Ezzard Charles
19 - Peter Jackson
20 - Wladimir Klitschko

[JAB5239]

!. Louis
2. Ali
3. Holmes
4. Johnson
5. Lewis
6. Foreman
7. Tyson
8. Liston
9. Holyfield
10. Marciano
11. Dempsey
12. Frazier

[Jim Jeffries]

1/. Ali
2/. Dempsey
3/. Louis
4/. Frazier
5/. Tunney
6/. Charles
7/. Holmes
8/. Tyson
9/. Johnson
10/.Liston

no Foreman, Holyfield, Lewis, Klitschko or Marciano as it is my opinion that they would lose to the 10 fighters i rated above

my list is nothing to do with head 2 head.. its the best 10 heavyweights in history IMO... all the ten fighters i listed are greater and better than Foreman

Fair enough, but you made the statement that Foreman, Holyfield and Lewis would lose to guys like Charles, Tunney, Frazier and Dempsey, which I find more than a little absurd.

[edgarg]

eternal thread

I`m against calling any fighter number 1 or 2 or etc - I find it dumb... Giving a number "1" to anybody will undeservingly put him above the other fighters...

Just, my top 5 would include:

Louis
Marciano
Ali
Foreman
Lewis

And 6-10 would be:

Johnson
Tunney
Holmes
Holyfield

and the last one is under consideration... It is really tough... Frazier was limited but an ATG HW... Liston was pretty good, but had a weak resume... I don`t buy Jeffries and Dempsey and Bowe at all... Norton deserves all the credit in the world for his fights against Ali, but he had his stumbling-block (big punchers). If Wlad finishes his career strongly he can fill that spot (no wonder, yeah? )...

There's a certain "amnesia" in considering Rocky Marciano as a "great" In my opinion, he was one of the worst champions, made only 6 defences in 4 years, all well used over the hill fighters, who really had very little but their names left. I don't even consider the obvious Mafia influence.

The fights were generally good, being well matched, with their diminished skills, more or less reduced down to Marciano's low level. In their primes, none of them would lose to Marciano, he was just too unskilled. Liston, whom you feel had a weak resume, would have killed Marciano, look at Liston's 2 short brutal, brilliant fights against Cleveland Williams. Williams would have been charged with manslaughter, if he'd ever fought Marciano.

In my opinion, otherwise good, credible lists are made suspect by the inclusion of Rocky, (sometimes even as No. 1, or in the top 3, for heaven's sake).

My List is Louis, Johnson, Ali, Foreman, Holyfield, W. Klitschko, Lewis, Dempsey, Wills,
V.Klitschko.