The Best there Never was....

[brownpimp88]

Langford was not a true HV he only fought them because on one his size would.Langford was only 5'6 and Willis was a legit HV yet still had trouble with little Tham . As i've always said Toney is the modern day Langford..............and yes sam was blind as a bat for most of his career .

I'm not say wills is p4p better, he was just a more successful heavyweight, thats all.

[THE REAL NINJA]

I'm not say wills is p4p better, he was just a more successful heavyweight, thats all.

ok I agree , It's kind of like who is the better heavy today Toney or Peter ? There is no way in hell that Peter is the better fighter but he is prob the better heavy ........Anyway here's a new namehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(boxer)

[brownpimp88]

ur comparing peter to harry wills?

[THE REAL NINJA]

ur comparing peter to harry wills?

No just the situation

[K-DOGG]

I dont buy it, its enough to convince me wills is the better heavyweight.

So being bigger, stronger, and less-blind constitutes Wills being the better fighter?

Langford wasn't even a real heavyweight, was past his best by the time Wills came along, and was damn near blind. The fact that he was still winning some fights here and there is more of a testamont to Landford's greatness or ring-genius than anything else.

Does Wills beat a prime Langford? I don't think so; but Yogi or SABBATH would be able to answer that question better than me.

[brownpimp88]

So being bigger, stronger, and less-blind constitutes Wills being the better fighter?

Langford wasn't even a real heavyweight, was past his best by the time Wills came along, and was damn near blind. The fact that he was still winning some fights here and there is more of a testamont to Landford's greatness or ring-genius than anything else.

Does Wills beat a prime Langford? I don't think so; but Yogi or SABBATH would be able to answer that question better than me.

its easy to make excuses when a fighter comes up short, dude langford was like 160 pounds. He wouldnt be a contender at heavyweight in today's era. This just further proves why guys from those days dont belong in all time heavyweight discussion. The sport wasnt even developed properly back then.

[THE REAL NINJA]

Langford started as a pro in 1902 and din't meet Willis untill 1914 ,so K-dogg is making great points as far as Sam being far past his best .

[K-DOGG]

its easy to make excuses when a fighter comes up short, dude langford was like 160 pounds. He wouldnt be a contender at heavyweight in today's era. This just further proves why guys from those days dont belong in all time heavyweight discussion. The sport wasnt even developed properly back then.

See Real Ninja's post concerning "where" Langford was in his career by the time he faced Wills. And if the man is legally blind.....that is not an "excuse"....that's legit.

[brownpimp88]

See Real Ninja's post concerning "where" Langford was in his career by the time he faced Wills. And if the man is legally blind.....that is not an "excuse"....that's legit.

Then why did he fight him. You guys say the 20s were awesome and the heavyweight suck now. If they were so good, how the hell did a skinny 160 lbs guy be a major contender in those days. That just shows the good ole days werent so great.

[THE REAL NINJA]

its easy to make excuses when a fighter comes up short, dude langford was like 160 pounds. He wouldnt be a contender at heavyweight in today's era. This just further proves why guys from those days dont belong in all time heavyweight discussion. The sport wasnt even developed properly back then.

I agree with this 90% of the time but there are cases when someone transcends his own era and could have been effective today . Landford I feel is one of those men along with Dempsey,Tunny,Johnson and a few others .

Then why did he fight him. You guys say the 20s were awesome and the heavyweight suck now. If they were so good, how the hell did a skinny 160 lbs guy be a major contender in those days. That just shows the good ole days werent so great.

HV's are also MUCH MUCH bigger today . A 5'6 HV of that time is the same as a 5'10 or 6' of today . As I said there are some who can do it Toney,Jones,Morrer,Holyfield,Maybe Hopkins, but hardy does anyone want the challenge today l.