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Pacquiao's last fight was against an ATG, P4P Mexican, Mayweathers wasn't and Mayweather made more money than Pacquiao did. :fing02: Impressive huh?...that an american who grew up speaking english can appeal to an american and english speaking audience. I would hope that he can command a higher pay than a guy who drops by the country for about a month and only rotates about 20 english words to promote his fights. Very impressive.:fing02:

Manny only made the 4th fight because he couldn't get a catch weight with cotto Cool.. Point being? Does this make anything I said wrong? Typical pacquiao hater. In there mind it is more commendable to be in a weight division for over 4 years and challenge smaller guys bloating upwards like floyd does. You want to illustrate that pacquiao is somehow lesser because he won't move up to JR. Welterweight. Its essentially saying shame on pacquiao for not moving up. But not saying shame on Cotto for not going down then attempting to make a point out of it. No cries of Floyd doing wrong by not fighting Ward or Martinez by going up in weight, but shame on Pacquiao for not going up in weight. Typical pacquiao hater.

But Pacquiao didn't pass the Marquez test all 4 times so............ 3 out 4 times he did. The math checks out. 3/4 is better than 1/4, no bias behind that, just math. not good enough huh? Typical pacquiao hater.

Manny would get his ass river stomped. Dude can't even see a counter right hand with the guy standing right in front of him. Seriously..... I understand that people don't like Mayweather and love Pacquiao but this is a ridiculous statement coming from Koncz. Manny throughout his career has had trouble with the one solid technical boxer he has fought and then got put to sleep when he looked his best in a long time. Mayweather would in my opinion make Manny look so exposed that people would be mad at him for putting hands on Pacquiao so much. Floyd has no problems with lefties as we seen with Guerrero and others. Manny will not be the same after that KO he suffered. Manny should have taken the fight when it made sense back in 09 instead of listening to Bob Arum and F'N his career up. Marquez showed that you can make Bob Arum work to get the fights you want if you REALLY want to. Manny didn't even really want Mayweather and Marquez proved that by having Bob get Bradley. This makes you come off more as a Mayweather fan rather than a boxing fan because you are arguing for a fight NOT to happen. Pacquiao fights someone who has the benefit of fighting him 4 fights, that is more than 36 rounds of experience to study his style and then all of a sudden he is a bum for losing to someone who has had that opportunity to figure him out? Adding to the fact that is his only real loss in years. The hypocritcal part is when mayweather fights fighters like Guerrero, or Ortiz there is likely no arguement from your side that the fight should happen. It seems like you are more inclined to argue against fights where mayweather has potential to loose and to praise fights as tough where Mayweather is likely to win. It seems like you are the typical pacquiao hater. Most people see where your type of logic is incorrect but just to give you a simple example: If the spurs shut out an offensive team like the Heat, it is not automatic to say that they will beat all offensive teams so there is no use in seeing them play against any other team any more. Its not logical to say it makes no sense for them to play against the offensive style Rockets because we already seen them shut out the Heat. Its also not logical to say just because Rockets lost to the Heat it automatically means they will loose to the Spurs. We have seen this play out in the real world of sports over and over again. You wish to ignore this in your arguements why pacquiao isn't a worthy opponent. Typical Pacquiao hater, logic bounces right off of you.

All this is your opinion because everything I posted is actually true. Manny in his heart didn't believe he beat JMM like he was supposed to. The majority of the sport of boxing thought that Marquez won the 3rd fight. Manny got knocked out in the 4th. Marquez is better. Manny won 3 times and in them 3fights did he put on a dominant performance against JMM? NO... and those are the facts. How am I a Pacquiao hater when everything I am stating actually came out of his mouth or actually happened? You're just a hurt fan. If we zoom out you are making the argument because it has come from his mouth, I should adjust my standards of measurements and everyone should adjust their standards of measurement. The core becomes "because he said so". Sorry, that is not logical. Alternatively, I am not suspending my understanding of math or logic and automatically now think it is an accomplishment to finally pass a test 1 out of 4 tries. ie...Finally Marquez was able to win 1, he should be able to, after all very few boxers get a 4 tries to figure their opponent out.

What he put him to sleep like Marquez did your idol??? Lol how did that feel watching pac lay there on the ground? I am curious to hear what was your thoughts on that? Lol My thought was that Marquez finally beat him. It only took 4 tries to do it. Only in a pacquiao haters head is it worth celebrating when it takes someone 4 tries to finally pass the Pacquiao test. Very rarely does a fighter give an oppenent 4 opportunities to figure them out. Its like you seeing the same test 4 times and only being smart enough once to figure it out. I would hope after that many attempts you at least win once. Only in a pacquiao haters head does this not make sense. In every other real world situation if it takes someone 4 tries to pass any test, lets say a DMV test, its considered a failure not an accomplishment. Typical Pacquiao hater, logic bounces right off of them.

It's funny how they made all these demands now they're begging for a mayweather fight because they have no decent options. They got shut down by cotto so he fought jmm and got KOd. Then JMM said nah ill fight bradley so they tried to steal bradley from him with cash. Bradley said nah I think not, and is going to fight JMM. Instead he's stuck with rios or alvarado lol... sad how the mighty have fallen. He should've took the test when offered and not come crawling back around years later when he's a non issue. Only a pacquiao hater thinks like this. You just made a list of fighters who want to dodge pacquiao and spin it as if they avoid him because he is a non issue, what a joke. You ignore the reason these fighters avoid pacquiao is because they fear a loss. These fighters are getting offered their highest purses ever to fight pacquiao and they refuse it, but you desperately want to ignore that. Stuck with Rios or Alvarado? Floyd actually pursues fighters of their caliber like Guerrero and Ortiz and in your mind he is taking on all hungry comers. You gobble up the marketing and think they are top warriors. What are Rios and Alvarado's records? Much worse than Guerrero's right? What a joke. Pacqiuao fights them, he is fighting inferior guys. Typical pacquiao hater logic bounces right off of them.

They had to move it, no one is going to pay to see a fading (devastatingly KO'd) Manny over Floyd at this point. The date is nothing more than an obvious admission by Arum to this reality. Mayweather has lasted through the Pacquiao era and he's chasing the young lions now into another. typical pacquiao hater. The news is about moving the "Bradley vs Marquez" fight yet this guy wants to connect this to pacqiuao. This is common for those stuck in hate mode. Only in a pacquiao haters minde does Bradley vs Marquez moving dates = nobody wants to see pacquiao anymore. Typical pacquiao hater, logic bounces right off of them.

The thing about Floyd is despite him being practically a living legend, you just wanna see him pushed in a classic fight where he has to step up and deliver an ATG performance but right now no one can touch him so he easily out thinks his opponents, he doesn't have to really dig deep down to pull out a spectacular win against these guys, Maybe Pac or perhaps Canelo could be that kind of fight but with Floyd's ring IQ I doubt it. Likely won't happen. You will get arguments from Maytards why these fights shouldn't happen. They will accept fights with Ortiz, Guerrero, and in the future Khan with no problems. Somehow in there minds there are a millions of reasons why fights with Pacquiao are pointless, even actively argue why this fight would be a tragedy if if WERE made, but they gobble up the marketing that a fight with Ortiz or Khan for example are MUST HAVE fights with TOUGH WORTHY KILLING MACHINES. Its this active need to argue that the fight shouldn't be made with Pacquiao that defines a Maytard.

You're lving in la la land. The 3 fights prior was pretty damn close and debatable. Manny also said he wanted to prove once and for all that he was the better fighter and the 4th fight was the last. Manny knocked Marquez down 5 times in 4 fights and couldn't finish him. Marquez done him off with one punch in the 4th fight. Manny even said he underestimated JMM in the 3rd fight and threatened Pinoys to say he won or else they weren't real Pinoys. All of this is documented. Reality welcomes you to come join us. So how does make anything I said wrong? You can look at everything you said and it does not address nullify anything I mentioned. * You write, "Manny also said he wanted to prove once and for all that he was the better fighter and the 4th fight was the last". Its great that you can take a quote out of context, but does that change the fact that it took 4 tries to pass the pacquiao test? Serious question. You are trying to illustrate that Pacquiao holds the 4th fight as a final verdict. I am saying that 1 out of 4 does not make you better. If you want to hold that quote as a final verdict on how to measure, feel free to be selective on quotes to hold as measuring sstandards, but regardless of your quote, let us not suspend logic and math and say 1 victory out of 4 is major accomplishment. Make sense? * "Manny knocked Marquez down 5 times in 4 fights and couldn't finish him. Marquez done him off with one punch in the 4th fight. " Yeah he "done him off with one punch in the 4th fight. On one hand you are magnifying the greatness of Marquez to do it in one punch but at the same time the fact about the "4th fight" is still in there which has been point all along. So you still don't accomplish anything with your reply. I mean who the hell gets 4 tries to figure another fighter out. Finally he did it. I'm happy for him as well. lol * "Manny even said he underestimated JMM in the 3rd fight and threatened Pinoys to say he won or else they weren't real Pinoys. All of this is documented. " Again more noise, that does nothing to actually make anything I said wrong. It is only in the mind of a pacquiao hater that there is this widespread memo that every pinoy got a hold of to squash there opinions of a marquez victory in order to keep their identities. The possibility of them seeing a close fight in the 3rd fight (where pacquiao got a split W is not existant) it is only based on this widespread threat that everyone heard and paid attention to. Do you really hear what you are saying? My points still hold.

so your saying in essence those who bringing up mayweather in negative ways when the post has nothing to do with them are simple minded haters? LOL No, compare and contrast is a fine. Right now you are bringing up mayweather to draw a contrast between those who bring up his name against those who bring up Pacs name, which is fine and not illogical in itself. You are trying to compare/contrast which is fine. Nothing wrong with trying to describe a BMW interior by bringing up comparisons or contrast to a Benz interior or comparing how sour an orange is versus a lemon if it helps illustrate a RELATIONAL point. The person above is not making a comparison and simply comes up with an unrelated conclusion. Almost similar to saying because a BMW has cool leather, that means a Benz is unreliable. Not hard to see unless you are clouded by hate.

Why plural? It's only one guy, and took him 39 rounds and tons of punishment to get there. Despite both being counterpunchers, Floyd is not a faster, bigger version of JMM. One guy is risk averse, one guy is not, that pretty much defines both fighters. Exactly, that is the thinking of a typical pacquiao hater. The guy writes: Marquez showed that Manny can't handle technical boxers who can think and adjust on the fly. The only fights Manny looked dominant in were the ones against slower guys with next to no defense. He ignores: * In his attempt to discredit pacquiao as only looking dominant against slower guys with next to no defense that Mayweathers recent resume is comprised of the very same fighters with the exception of Ortiz and Guerrero (but in the pacquiao haters mind these guys are STRONG HUNGRY LIONS and KILLING MACHINES who are much more worth of fights compared to pacquiao with their resumes).

typical pacquiao hater. The news is about moving the "Bradley vs Marquez" fight yet this guy wants to connect this to pacqiuao. This is common for those stuck in hate mode. Only in a pacquiao haters minde does Bradley vs Marquez moves date = nobody wants to see pacquiao anymore. Typical pacquiao hater, logic bounces right off of them.

If Manny has a problem with JMM who is a counter puncher than how would it be easier for him to handle Floyd who is a better counter puncher? You should go beef with Freddie Roach because he is the one who said Floyd is a bigger, faster version of JMM not me. Sports does not work that way. Just because a defensive team like Spurs can shut out an offensive team like the Warriors, doesn't mean they can shut out other offensive teams like the Heat. We have seen this play out in boxing and across all sports over and over and over again.

Ask yourself this... If the MAJORITY of the people didn't have Marquez winning the first 3 fights would there have been a fourth fight?? Marquez won in the eye's of the people, pac felt he lost and wanted to convince himself and his people that he could beat Marquez with out ANY controversy but did he? And when Marquez won he left ZERO I repeat ZERO doubt over the outcome... so what could you say about that?? OH AIGHT I would say something like this : ) Only in a pacquiao haters head is it worth celebrating when it takes someone 4 tries to finally pass the Pacquiao test. Very rarely does a fighter give an oppenent 4 opportunities to figure them out. Its like you seeing the same test 4 times and only being smart enough once to figure it out. I would hope after that many attempts you at least win once. Only in a pacquiao haters head does this not make sense. In every other real world situation if it takes someone 4 tries to pass any test, lets say a DMV test, its considered a failure not an accomplishment. Typical Pacquiao hater, logic bounces right off of them

Ask yourself this... If the MAJORITY of the people didn't have Marquez winning the first 3 fights would there have been a fourth fight?? Marquez won in the eye's of the people, pac felt he lost and wanted to convince himself and his people that he could beat Marquez with out ANY controversy but did he? And when Marquez won he left ZERO I repeat ZERO doubt over the outcome... so what could you say about that?? OH AIGHT Majority? HAHA..more like lost in the eyes of only pacquiao haters. Don't confuse being the loudest for being the majority. You set up the misguided scenario where the only reason a 4th fight can take place is if Marquez was winning all of the previous fights. Is not possible for the fight to happen because of money? Because he would be a bigger draw than fighting Bradley for example? I guess it couldn't happen because the 3rd fight was controversial? It can only happen if he marquez won all of the past 3 fights? I guess the alternative scenarios (reality) are ones you desperately want to ignore. My original point stands. I would hope that after 4 tries he can finally win. Good for Marquez, he finally won once.:notworthy

Yeah, I hate Pacquiao so much I watch his fights, spend time debating his simple minded followers, so yeah I really, really hate him. I'm realistic when I look at the situation, boxing is a business and Bob Arum is a businessman, a rather shrewd one at that, so when he has to tuck his tail between his legs it kinda tickles me. I don't hate Manny, I despise his fans and Bob Arum. oh it sounds like you do because you are trying to connect the move of a Bradley vs Marquez fight as being reflective of nobody wanting to watch pacquiao anymore. I don't care so much if you would agree you are a pacquiao hater or not, we don't have to agree on that. The logic behind the comments will speak for themselves. Hey maybe I'm just a simple minded ******* and you are the logical one. Maybe you could explain then how moving the fight of two completely different fighters not named pacquiao means nobody wants to watch pacquiao? It's almost like saying the new Jordans will be released on a random day, lets say December 1st, which mean nobody cares to watch the NBA playoffs. It just doesn't make sense. The connection is blurry. Help me understand how you made your connection?