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If they want mileage out of Fury for 6 or 7 fights then he has to be in close and competitive fights. If he beats Usyk in a fixed fight, there is no rematch. Who does he fight then? Joshua? Then who? Parker? Wilder 4? Anderson? His marketability will drop and the Saudis will know this. My feeling is; - Usyk beats Fury -Fury activates rematch Fury wins close UD - Usyk 3rd fight - Usyk wins and probably retires - Fury v Joshua close and controversial - Joshua rematch; Joshua either has confidence and KOs Fury or he loses - Fury exhibitions - Retirement Could definitely happen that way but got a bit of a gut feeling that Fury will be extremely motivated by his terrible Ngannou performance to make a point and beat Usyk. It tends to be case w Fury of bad performance followed by great performances. I just hope Turki puts some time bound clauses so we see all those fights play out over next 18 months to stop all fighters playing out dragging out games. I can see this version of AJ with Ben Davison potentially unsettling Fury.

hes the definition of a hypejob and you just proved it by saying hes one of the hardest punchers in history. hes not. that was the hype. he has 2 kos in 7 fights against top 10 ranked fighters. thats nowhere close to being one of the hardest punchers in history. ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight ali-50% 18 out of 36 ​louis-75% 24 out of 32 liston-63% 7 out of 11 patterson-35% 7 out of 20 foreman-58% 7 out of 12 holmes-52% 12 out of 23 ​marciano-80% 8 out of 10 bowe-60% 3 out of 5 lewis-53% 8 out of 15 fury-60% 3 out of 5 vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8 wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13 joshua-50% 5 out of 10 tyson-53% 8 out of 15 holyfield-30% 6 out of 20 wilder-28% 2 out of 7 ​he ko'd a lot of tomato cans so what. they wanted you to think he was a devastating puncher but in reality the only top 10 guy he ever ko'd was a 40 year old ortiz. I appreciate your analysis a lot. I think the metrics are misleading however as 3 fights were against Fury and he was pretty faded against Parker. At least i respect you came to the conclusion based on objective data / analysis and not intrinsic bias.

Usyk is also determined to keep those titles and do it for the Ukraine, not to get political or anything. I don't think Joshua can pull it off, but still an interesting fight. I also think many are writing off this as a silly narrative but Usyk is going to be raising the bar many levels as it's beyond personal for him moreso because many accuse him of abandoning the war so it's his only way of doing something for Ukraine. I also don't think AJ would get credit IF he beats Usyk, the narrative would then shift to Usyk being 'distracted' (you can see some already prepping that narrative). But either way AJ has a very tough task ahead of him. Usyk also has now experienced AJ power so will have much more confidence. I am just really curious as AJ tends to be more focused 2nd time round. I feel the rematch clause almost works against him because he goes in with that safety net that takes away the mental edge / urgency he has. The other element is that Usyk's amateur pedigree and his 'road warrior' experience is many many levels above AJ and that's not something AJ can simply 'plug the gap' on. I am rooting for AJ to win nonetheless - interested to see if Garcia can bring something different out of him - mentally and stylistically.

The Wallin AJ walked through was not the same Wallin Fury went the distance with. Just like the Parker AJ decisioned 6 years ago isnt the same Parker who disassembled Wilder. How do you objectively make those conclusions? The Joseph Parker AJ fought was unbeaten, more confident as he had never been knocked out. Likewise the Wallin who AJ fought had far more experience with Fury and Gassiev under his belt and arguably deserved a win against Fury. Lets also not forget AJ didn’t get a scratch and Fury went life and death- did Wallin deteriorate THAT much? Personally i thought AJ fought horribly against Parker (it was from my PoV the beginning of the tentative AJ). But at least i remain objective .

I honestly don't get some of the ignorant comments here, I am not a fan of JP (personality wise being a moron) but how could anyone knock Rahman as a selection, over 100 amateur fights, won the Junior National Golden Gloves so is born into the sport, trained with Manny Steward for a while, the last stoppage was borderline - he was up and a bit tentative but ref didn't give him a chance to fight on after getting up. Don't turn the hate for JP into being completely irrational. Frankly Rahman is more than a challenge than Fury would be any day. Yep Rahman is extremely limited, slow, pondering etc but how can anyone call him anything other than a legit professional is beyond me. Seems a lot of people believe anyone outside of the top 10 is simply in the wrong sport which seems unique to some boxing fans. The ONLY concern I have is how he gets down from 224 in last fight (he weighed max of 274) to 214 lbs - that's the 'catch' that I am curious to figure out as Rahman didn't carry much fat in last fight and could be the trick that JP is playing to drain him into a shell. That's a DIFFERENT conversation to Rahman being a bad choice for JP level or shot etc because of one terrible outing where he messed up. I think JP probably wins but for his 6th fight to fight a bigger opponent an full professional - he deserves credit where it's due for someone who is boxing for 4 years. As a fan of the sport also JP is bringing a new fan base, more money and investment into the sport so seems a bit petty to knock him because of his other antics - I'm pretty intrigued so far on what he achieved with his non existent fight background.

The fact that the author of this article uses stats that are from Compubox as a source of who landed more renders his comments unreliable and pretty arrogant that he is so convinced. Compubox (in the words of the founder): =============================== "Two operators sit ringside with laptops, each focusing on the actions of a designated fighter. When fighter A throws a punch, operator A enters this into the system. The same goes for fighter B and operator B. “It’s pretty uncomplicated,” CompuBox owner Canobbio admits. “We have keys for jabs connected, jabs missed, power punches connected and power punches missed. For lack of a better description, we consider any non-jab a power punch. "Including myself, there are nine operators in the mix now,” states Canobbio. “As well as the likes of my sons Nic and Dan" I believe those who watched fight objectively saw that Fury clearly lost. I think he would have won more convincingly had he not under-estimated Ngannou but that's another point. He lost on the night. I seriously hope that AI does away with this garbage Compubox that is really open to potential corruption due to it's unscientific methods and very circumspect organisation. ​

Looking at replay again what Sheeraz did was categorically wrong (no excuses). Just can't help but feel some posters have 'other reasons' for hating on him - similar to how SOME posts hated Khan for good reasons (because he was doing moronic things) but others had ulterior motives clear from their language. My personal belief is that it was a heat of the moment thing - as you have to look at the full body of his work / fights. If he was regularly cheating or using roughhouse tactics then it would be fair to say he is a cheat, which other fights can you say he was doing this? In this case people forget that he is 6ft 3 and looking down at Skeete who was kneeling down. It's possible that he wasn't 100% clear Skeete had touched the canvas. There are two or three replays - one of them (sideways camera angle) looks REALLY bad admittedly but others show he is looking vertically down. I am sure some will 'permanently' now hate on him as it gives them a viable reason to do so. Personally I think he has a great attitude and enormous potential - he will learn and improve as a person from this. NB I don't think the rematch offer from Sheeraz was a sincere one as Skeete made a good argument that due to BBoC guidelines he wasn't even allowed to spar for a few months but I think this was also Warren influence as they wanted to move up. I would have liked to see Sheeraz do the honorable thing and wait longer to give him a fair chance at rematch - just don't think that makes him an 'intrinsic' cheat.

I will say this, while there are some who Joshua is back, his last 3 wins were against 2 guys with no power ( Franklin, and Wallin) and a UFC guy. Dubois last 2 wins were against Miller and Hrgrovic both who have power and came to win and Dubois stopped them both. I feel Aj’s last 3 wins are kinda smoke and mirrors. Dubois has a very good chance at a ko victory and his chin seemed to hold up against miller and Hrgovic. I am a betting guy and while it’s far from a lock, Dubois by ko is plus 1200. To good to ignore. As a Joshua supporter i agree - Dubois has had a MUCH harder road in recent fights to get to this point as Hrgovic and Miller are near impossible to knockout and up there in punching power. Not to mention Usyk before that. I think Dubois has a really good chance here but rooting for Joshua to take him out.

Wilder is probably right. Parker is much more proven than Wallin and in current form (until Joshua gets rid of this scared / tentative style he has developed). Joshua has a lot to do to prove he still has it. Not liking how he is looking with Derrick James (now temporarily with Ben Davison). The only positive is he realizes he destroyed his career with inactivity and greed - not sure if its too late to get that back now. Time will tell. He really should have stayed with Garcia IMHO.

Spence was showing signs of lack of discipline and being intoxicated with his own abilities early on. The drunk accident was really a sad case of someone needing to give him a reality check. Just like Fury, Wilder, countless others - its a case of poor mindset affecting longevity for an insanely talented fighter. Spence ‘could have been’ a ATG as fighting at level he was coming off the accident shows just how talented he was. Sometimes wonder how many fighters even train outside camp. Its interesting how fighters who were written off or never got their dues are now coming to top again. Huge respect for James with sticking with him - it seems he finally had to tell him some hard truths. Its a shame now he has Garcia who is 100x worse.

People hate on Teo, but truth be told on any given night, he beats Tank, Garcia, Haney, Shakur, etc... Honestly i agree. I don’t get how much hate Teo gets for his BOXING ability - he is going to shock a lot of people if he can control his demons and keep his family relationships (esp. Dad) and boxing separate. He seems to be in a better place now he is free from parasitic Arum. Teo has fought better opposition than most of his peers and taken more risks.

I reckon Fury will exploit Usyk weakness in shots around belt line that he was lucky to get ruled as illegal blows in earlier fights w Dubois and AJ (although he beat them both convincingly). I expect Fury to go after that same spot repeatedly and do lots of roughing up but this is a really intriguing fight.

Who is forcing the fighters to stay with Haymon? The door is wide open, as far as I know. They must be staying because they get paid well, without even fighting at times. My second question is: Did you read and reply to post #14, the same way you have to DC's, or do you agree with that other guy's post? I personally don't care for any promoters or even talk much about them. The only slimeball I really want out of US boxing is Hearn. Fighters are forced to fight under the party that controls the market whether it’s through active champions and ranked fighters under their banner or their relationships with relevant bodies that give them a chance at progressing in what is an extremely time limited career. Any upcoming professional boxer would consider Haymon because they would have no choice to stand any chance at getting ‘access’ to meaningful fights. Re post 14, of course not, I don’t make childish statements wishing someone death and as i said Haymons abilities are betrayed by his greed for power and influence and money. The reason i respond is 80 percent of posts attack Hearn without giving true reflection or balance of the likes of Haymon and other US promoters killing the sport. I criticize Hearn openly, are you able to criticize Haymon? I believe both Haymon and Hearn are two individuals who COULD change the sport for better if they addressed their major flaws. Also US should be content with being the boxing center of the world, it doesn’t have to have all top fighters, promoters etc. Its much more international now so nationalism hurts the sport.

There is a reason Haney vs Regis didn't sell, because many thought he lost to an old 130 pounder. People need to understand Haney just doesn't have it. Yet to beat an elite prime fighter. Honestly people don’t buy fights based on those principles even though i agree he should have done a rematch. Sometimes its a combination of factors and even perception as we saw w Crawford PPV. If we use PPV as a barometer than KSI and Logal Paul are ATGs. If we compare all the fighters at same age as Haney, who was willing to take the risk to fight Loma? Why for example have neither Tank, Shakur or Ryan got any criticism for not fighting him? I feel many fighters promoters (ones i blame more) were relieved when Teo beat Loma and Kambosos beat Teo as it helped them avoid both fighters. Also there is a reason Haney looked like a completely different fighter vs prograis. From 17 yrs old to 24 in one weight class isn’t healthy. That level of weight draining will ALWAYS show when you step up to elite. Prograis was a top tier fighter in his weight division with 80 percent knockout ration and few would take that risk as first fight in new division. Instead of giving credit we are talking about PPV. Haney has fought 7 former world champions in his last 7 fights - but honestly people who made up their mind will always find excuses to put him down. Haney is taking the hard road and is only 25, over time just like those who doubted Crawford - people will be obliged to give him his dues.

From marketing standpoint this fight makes a lot of sense. Assuming Fury handles Usyk easily and AJ does same with Ngannou - it becomes very intriguing when AJ / Fury is finally made as each has beaten the others worst defeat (i still believe Fury lost to Ngannou as he underestimated him). It kind of makes AJ / Fury less obvious on who will win. Styles make fights. Am also intrigued how AJ handles granite chin og Ngannou who will remain dangerous throughout.

No idea how people like u can sit there and type utter bs, whilst at the same time, choosing to willingly avoid stating the true facts in this matter is beyond me, how does ryan pass vada drug tests everyday leading up to the fight, then suddenly, (after he's lost) he pops dirty, and vada takes a full 11 days after the "dirty test result", to produce the result findings and u think this is all just normal and nothing to see here guys, move on and support the racist black guy who got a his a$$ beat fair and square, even Haney's brother said 3 days before the fight that he had a vision from "Allah" that ryan would fail a drug test and u find this completely normal? Bro get your head out of your a$$ and either research more what happened here, or stop letting your biases impact your view of what actually happened here, conte, vada and the Haney's are connected and there's way too much proof to deny it and whether u wanna argue his cause out of ignorance or just cos of some g@y fanboy ish, either one is lame as f and u need to put the pipe down bruh I don’t think Ryan cheated before this fight but after Tank loss he lost his mind doing recreational drugs and drinking. Its more believable given his erratic behavior that he straight up cheated then to believe a conspiracy theory that was aimed at Ryan. He really isn’t that important yet for VADA to risk it and lets not forget that he has big backers himself.

Apologies my account was hacked - pw changed - appreciate you challenging me edpboxing - but those articles weren’t mine. As per other post i always use 2 factor authentication but boxingscene doesnt have so pretty easy to hack a profile.

If u watch devin carefully u can clearly see from his legs later on in the fight that his electrolytes were not right in his body which affected his legs & his brain, he did his best but the coordination was not there He put a video up explaining that he was NOT fasting giving his reasons. Beterbiev has been fasting his whole career as have many MMA fighters. In any case its irrelevant as he clearly said he wasn’t fasting that Garcia even used against him saying he was a hypocrite etc to get under his skin. It’s possible someone new to fasting could be affected but its moot as he wasn’t. Garcia might just have Devins number - no shame in that. Devin will be back with same faith and stronger (as much as people will hate on it for own reasons). I generally feel something was off with him in the fight as he was really rigid / wooden movement wise - he seems to take too much emotional pressure on ‘needing’ to beat Garcia and lacked the fluidity he normally has. I would like to see the fight at 147 so Garcia seens no reason to cheat and Devin doesn’t have any excuses either. Both rehydrate and Garcia can win the belts the right way or Devin redeems himself.

Honestly don’t think it’s Crawfords fault, if he were a PBC fighter it’d be stronger but Canelo at the moment has the stronger resume a lot Canelo hate but whatevs This kind of links to the argument re PBC controlling boxing. Crawford was with Top Rank so hardly a low tier boxing promoter. That said TR/Arum destroyed Crawford so i wont blame PBC just bit fed up w all the fights not being made because of someone not pledging allegiance to PBC / Haymon. I really hope Crawford moves up and beats Canelo even though it seems impossible. Tbh, am a bit personally invested in Crawford success as he stands out as one of the few fighters w true character. Remembers where he came from and pays it forward. Not like Canelo, Mayweather etc who are selling their soul and all about empire building. Canelo is all time great in the boxing ring just hate that he has become a diva and i sense many Mexicans feel the same. Also Crawford went against the corrupt system and won so is very satisfying with the egg on the face of everyone who set him up to fail - Arum, Haymon most of all.

Usually the people who are always accusing someone of acting like a victim are the ones themselves acting like victims And yet Americans are playing victims to Saudi involvement and putting all this nationalistic nonsense before the sport itself (or brown nosing their favourite promoters). I care nothing for any promoter irrespective of race or creed - they all played their part in killing so many boxers careers even of their own race. Fury vs Usyk, AJ vs Usyk 2, Wilder vs Parker, Hrgovic vs Zhang, AJ vs Dubois, just in HW division alone (Beterbiev vs Bivol also in LHW) because of Saudi involvement finally answered so many unanswered questions including exposing many by luring them with money and elevating the support. Essentially because of Saudi involvement we get two divisions having a unified champion for first time in TWO DECADES. Yep they were arrogant with Canelo but someone needs to end monopoly of fighters who made it to top being ALLOWED to lock out upcoming fighters for YEARS from fighting for their RIGHTS to the title. For Tszyu Turki crossed the line and he needs to be careful to check his ego. The balancing act of bringing all promoters and sanctioning bodies together was nearly impossible without an external party (not US or UK). You talk about others denying facts and science yet can’t be truthful about a lot of stuff.

I agree w Callum here - those guys he is knocking out probably getting less than a thousand bucks and risking brain damage they are so outclassed and he knows he will be set for life. Won’t be sad if he gets checked as he moves up. Hard to root for this guy. If you are beating up a guy this easily then frankly you have to be a coward not to be upping level. Loma albeit different division was fighting world champions in first few fights because he knew his ability. Whittaker will fall hard IMHO once he really moves up.

I’ve been saying it all along. Hearn is bad for dayzin’s business. He single-handedly stopped dayzin from being a major boxing and sports power player in the usa. Had dayzin given golden boy the task of taking that brand to the rest of America it would have been more successful. Hearn’s narcissistic WWF heel manager style persona has alienated everyone in the American boxing scene I agree to an extent. The question I have however is - IF Hearn was more collaborative, talked less, was less of an idiot etc - do you think that others would work with him? The behaviour of all the major players in US (and most markets to be fair) is to block out new entrants to the market. I said on other posts - there are many fights that are not being made where Hearn is not involved at all but PBC, Top Rank, Golden Boy are unable to work with each other who have destroyed or damaged many fighters careers. Let's not pretend Arum, Ellerbe or Al Haymon were not destroying the sport before Hearn entered the scene. But as I said I agree with you that Hearn and Dazn could have achieved 2 or 3x more if he behaved like a businessman and not a primadonna and didn't deliberately antagonise his potential business partners. At least he could tone it down a few notches. The only thing I do like is that some of the 'blockers' in the sport aren't able to hide with Hearn's antics - they start coming out of the woodworks out of sheer irritation. I always hated this 'silent' stranglehold the likes of Haymon have on the sport circumventing the Ali Act as 'advisors'.

2024 Parker at 31, with a huge amount of life and boxing experience having made intergenerational money, settled into family life, lost a title, been knocked out, changed trainers, dealt with drug dealing and worked himself into a top ranking again is a now a more complete human and a better fighter because of the adversity and success since losing to AJ. He is way more confident in his and his teams ability to take on anyone and succeed than the 2018 version. Can you say the same about AJ who seems like an entitled, fragile, insecure diva that hasn't come to grips with life and loss ? Its hard to assess how much impact all those things had on Parker especially money, family and trainer. You say it with such certainty that you are in Parkers camp My point is why do you single out AJ for being a diva when ALL heavyweights including AJ, Fury, Wilder have been HUGE divas? I give AJ credit for one thing in that he realises (maybe too late) that he messed up and is trying to take steps to climb back and started to understand ring rust and fighting for mega purses once a year killed his career. Does he have vulnerabilities to get knocked out? 100 percent - but so did Wlad, Lennox later on, and many others. I don’t know if AJ will ever be the same after Ruiz and Usyk but time will tell. Does he have mental insecurity due to the marketing machine he built up as an engine to maximize his wealth getting to his head? Yes. But i think again he gets it finally that he had chosen popularity over legacy and is trying to put it right when everyone has written him off. Fury and Wilder i feel are disrespecting the sport by coming completely unprepared to fights and talking way too much and playing same games AJ played earlier in his career.

The Saudi sportwashing can't hide the true nature of the brutal Islamist regime and the culture it represents. Nevertheless there is some irony in Matchroom's immediate predicament. Even in Saudi Arabia the squared circle can be a truth machine. It's a wacky world. And America is supplying the weapons to commit a genocide and forced famine with only few western nations willing to call it out so really get of the soap box buddy. As i said before US promoters corruption lead to its decline as the frontrunner in boxing. Years of not seeing fights because someone was on wrong side of street. There was a vacuum to be filled and it was filled by $$$ - isn’t that what the ‘American Dream’ preaches?

I think what’s important is he has at least 3 fights a year even if its semi decent opponents. Fury / Usyk have rematch clause so AJ is not fighting either of them in 2024 as they will delay the rematch for 6 months at least. The more AJ fights the better prepared he will be if and when those fights come around. Joshua was at his best earlier in his career when he had high frequency of fights. He will always be vulnerable IMHO just as Wlad was but i think he gains respect by taking decent names with high turnover. He should also stay with Ben Davison as it feels a bit that Derek James is triggering AJ overthinking and anyway will be busy rebuilding Charlo and Spence after losses. Davison seems to be building around AJ strengths rather than try to rebuild him from scratch.

This is really problematic as the cut seems to be same huge gash that was opened up in Wallin fight. No way this heals up for at least a month meaning he can’t fight till after Ramadhan (mid April) by which time Riyadh season is over. Its possible we dont see Fury vs Usyk now as if they have to enter into negotiations for different locations etc there will be usual fun and games of Fury negotiations. The worst part is this was caused by Fury being reckless in grappling during his sparring with his Croatian sparring partner and catching an elbow. It seems he still feels emotionally impacted by being handled by Ngannou and feels need to practice close quarter wrestling / grappling to give him confidence in his strength again to rough house opponents that never worked with Ngannou. Personally now i see more likelihood we see Fury vs Joshua / Ngannou winner but not in KSA.

Was there a time limit on rematch clause execution or fight date? Am curious if Crawford is suggesting retirement completely. Honestly i think he has been one of biggest victims of the eras corrupt and incompetent promoters and hard to sympathize with Spence who stopped taking sport seriously years ago. That said its hard to believe he wouldn’t have been the best version of himself in the fight given its magnitude so his excuses are weak.

Massive credit to Tszyu as Fundora is an insanely different fight to prepare for compared to Thurman on such short notice - how do you even find sparring partners to replicate Fundora? They’re all heavyweights! Fundora has huge advantage given similarities between Bohachuk so doesn’t need to shift whole gameplan. Tszyu doesn’t need to take these kinds of risks but shows he has mentality thats missing from most of the fighters chasing money over respect to fans / legacy. Especially considering the dog bite with 26 stitches and fighting Ocampo less than a month later. He gets hit way too much so not sure about his longevity but he keeps the division alive.

I don't disagree but Eddie Hearn doesn't help himself rubbing all the American's promoters the wrong way either. True to an extent but lets not pretend also that before Hearn was on stage this was not already happening. We see with Crawford / Spence and many others that there are these ‘silent’ embargos and maybe Hearn is helping put other promoters on their toes and changing balance of power towards fighters. I do agree though many fights could have been made if he didnt behave like a 5 yr old taunting his rivals. Hearn at least doesn’t outright refuse working with anyone. Also looking at how Arum and Warren did a complete number on Hearn getting him to spend 2 months flying around world to negotiate AJ / Fury - then pull out last minute - you would expect Hearn to be equally bitter as he could have severed major relationships with partners but he gets on with it. You see how he manages to work well with smaller promoters for example without hamstringing them and they come back to work on undercards. Compare how other US promoters lock out Dibella and create conditions where fighters literally have few options. Of course i wont pretend Hearn hasnt upset Dibella and others too! :-)

You sound horribly desperate. Wilder is a lot more dangerous than AJ. Fury isn't scared if any man. He's proven that , several times beyond any doubt I understand you are a little emotional because you have an ideological reason for supporting Fury. But let me help you with something you might have heard of, it's called "Objectivity". Let's begin shall we? Let's look at last 9 opponents excluding Wilder (full credit to Fury) and Kiltschko (before these both fought journeymen) FURY Resume: Excluding Wilder & Klitschko: Wallin, Schwarz, Pianeta, Seferi, Hammer, Chisora, Abbell, Cunningham, Johnson Joshua Resume: Excluding Klitschko: Pulev, Ruiz x 2, Povetkin, Parker, Takam, Molina, Breazeale, Martin, Whyte Even if we take the weaker opponents like Molina, Martin, Breazeale - these were all ranked contenders or linked to mandatories. The ONLY contender (and a VERY good one at that) for Fury was Chisora. Have a little nap and respond when you are a little less emotional. Else continue to backfill your pro-Fury backlog of messages ;-)