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so ur saying there is 0% mexican who bought that fight to see canelo? ur kidding urself u just dont know how much mexican peoples pecentage on that PPV sales probably 70% of that sale is from mexicans now saying 0% bought that coz of canelo is just dumb If you know who canelo is, and trust me i understand he's a star in the making but not a household(casual) name yet, then you would be buying the ppv anyway regardless if he was on it or not because your a borderline diehard boxing fan. If anything mosley(who we know is past his prime) would be just as much of an argument as canelo adding to Mayweather's ppv numbers if not more because casual fans do know who he is. The truth is Floyd and Pac will do the same numbers regardless of whos on the undercard because a lot of fans either love or hate one or the other which feeds into the anticipation/cu and ultimately purchase of the ppv. To say Canelo helped is not a valid statement because anybody who would pay to see Canelo is somewhat if not all a diehard fan that would have bought the card regardless. With that being said, i believe the numbers will do fine for a fighter as unknown to casual fans as a Timothy Bradley, i expect it to crack a million, and if it does not then you could argue that game 7 played a factor, but if it does, its right around where i assumed it would be for Pacman facing a fighter as relatively unknown to casual fans(Even less then ortiz) as bradley.

Roy said that Floyd letting Pacquiao consistently fight dangerous opponents shows he doesn't want the fight, and that Floyd just wants to go down as undefeated and doesn't care what the public thinks because in his own mind he is a legend. If Floyd cared about legacy and Pacquiao was so easy as he brags, he would have fought and beat Pacquiao instead of letting others take that glory from him to add his rival to his resume. It goes to show Floyd is all mouth and doesn't really have true confidence or bravery. I agree with Roy, Bradley and REAL fighters, have said F*ck it ill even juice Manny Pacquiao myself and whoop his ass, yet Floyd and his fans are hiding behind some steroids stuff. Wtf? its like they are scared, like oh no he is too dangerous because he might be on roids, the truth is Pacquiaos style at the time of the hatton, cotto fights put fear in Floyds mind. As far as Roy speaking on Floyd, there may be a little bitterness to such a statement. Remember Floyd has been on record many times saying the difference between him and Roy is that he has skills and Roy has athleticism which is why in his opinion once Roy lost a step it was only a matter of time before he got cracked. I personally feel their both top 5 greatest fighters of my era, 90-present time and really cant compare the two. But Its hard to take that serious when you know Roy has an axe to grind with Mr. Mayweather.

difference between floyd and roy is roy took the risk and fought almost everyone while floyd... wait... wheres floyd? cherry land Ok, Well let me ask you a ? whose resume would you rather have, minus roy loss's besides the initial tarver ko and thats being nice in some ways because Floyd will never go out like roy has.

You'd have to forget about matching up these great fighters with Pacquiao or mayweather, because you'd be greatly disappointed, believe me. Much more pleadsaint to visualise it than see it. Lol trust me, i know. But none the less i would love to see them, i love boxing period. The type of guy that goes to the local convention center and watches 1-4 type of fighters duke it out, as well as go to gyms as far as a 60 mile radius to watch prospects spar. The great thing about boxing and you can agree to this seeing as you seem to be as avid a fan as I, is anything can happen on any given night. Its beautiful to think about the possibilities of any fight on any night. Brings butterflies to my gut.

Very well said. Those claiming boxing died Saturday night have never been real fans of the sport and don't know any other boxers outside of Manny and Mayweather. I respect both of them equally, but boxing is bigger than they are and will outlive them both. :) thank you and i second that statement completely. Nice to see people still care!

as far as im concerned they haven't changed in awhile, the top 6 that is. 1.Mayweather 1b.Pac (until and hopefully they do fight, i have no problem with one person picking either one as the number 1) 3.Martinez 4.Ward 5.Marquez 6.Donaire Im ok with 4-5-6 being switched up in any order, but the top 3 is the top 3 honestly.

Lol only 3? thats too tough of a question, and i have to many dream match-ups to be able to legitimately answer but i have no problem with your list. The better question would be, what match-ups would you most want to see them in with current fighters, and the ones you named probably wouldn't have any competition from this particular era. Im not going to go to old school, just because its very hard to compare eras due to training advancements, as well as medical ones that help fighters recover so much better from injuries that would once spoil a boxers career. But Just from the 80's, 90's where things were more similar to the now of days. 1. Sugar Ray Leonard( would love to see the match up with floyd or pac for that matter) 2. Pernell Whitaker( Love to see him school anybody from 135-147 lol and i think he would but thats my opinion) 3. Salvador Sanchez( such a tragedy i would just love to see more fights from him, had all the tools to be considered even higher then he is as far as the G.O.A.T list is concerned) but im drunk and thats how i feel now, if i answered sober my list would probably change, **** my list would probably change everyday sober or not.

Yes, and they use to do it way back when, but im biased because i believe that all championship fights should still be 15 rounds (Just love the Old school format and feel to a championship fight), 12 rounds is not enough, and its an even amount of rounds which just doesn't seem right, at least 13 ;). And for those who say I am bugging out, we would not have got some memorable fights if the 12 rd format had always been in effect. For example and just to name one, Ray Leonard vs Thomas Hearns 1, if it would have ended in 12 Thomas would have got a decision, and where would have Leonard went from there? More examples can be brought up but i believe that is pertinent enough.

Same here, I vaugely remember seeing him get dropped, the old timers talking about how bad it was, and the pizza commercial later. The guy took a real shot at it as far as I can see. Maybe his corner told him they'd jump in to save him beforehand. It was a spirited effort nonetheless. I agree 110%, his effort regardless of lack of talent and the fact he probably didn't deserve to be in a fight of that magnitude against tyson put a smile on my face :) he definitely did better against a more prime Tyson then Clifford Etienne did against a tattooed faced right before the fight, way past prime one.

Damn, i dont remember mcnel going that hard at tyson, i was just a kid when i watched and guess i knew nothing about the craft at that point of time, what a spirited effort regardless of the outcome which was inevitable to begin with, that was the only fight plan he could have came with to give himself a microscopic chance of a W. Make it a street fight, hope to catch Tyson early/cold, and his corner jumped the gun, which is hard for me to say because the man's health was at risk, but whose isn't againt Tyson, and anybody for that matter. Boxing is a dangerous sport, and those who participate know the dangers before hand and agree to them. Great blast from the past, good thread lol brings back memories of my fathers drunk ass friends screaming at the TV and then going to play dominoes afterwards.

didnt say he was overrated, just pointing out that a lot of fighters fight smaller fighters, its intriguing in a lot of instances, conn-louis leonard-hagler lamotta-robinson etc etc boxing will always be this way, im just saying floyd is getting more hate then need be

Very sad story, this is the dark side of boxing you hate to hear/read about. And no offense, and as hypocritical as it sounds, i don't like to see American based fighters travel overseas for large magnitude fights such as this one. Things just always seem to go bad, and i know the argument can be made in reverse so I'm not trying to stir up any issues, but i remember Roy stating that before the fight he had a bad feeling in his stomach and even suggested to Gerald that he shouldn't take the fight on those terms, and the outcome is what it is which is horrible to hear about. Just terrible, and i commend his sister for sticking by his side, its tough taking care of a loved one to that extent, but thats what family should do, remain by your sides through thick and thin. damn.

Doesn't matter who makes the list no one will agree completely, everyone has a fan side to them regardless of how focused they are on presenting such a list as "unbiased." And when I speak of the fan element I'm not just saying a fighter or fighters in specific but more so the style they employ to get the job done. That's the reason before the Marquez fight it was also PAC and Floyd 1a/1b, some liked the aggressive/flashy nature of PAC while others marveled at the defensive mastery/precision that Floyd displayed. As far as what I believe (which obviously no one gives a sh*t about) Im more into tradition, that old school belief that your that man until someone takes you out. With that being said. 1. Mayweather- can't do right in the eyes of most followers, when he wants to he can damn near fight as clean a fight as you'll witness but then people call him boring. When he decides to be a little more aggressive and fan friendly he catches backlash from critics saying he's lost a step ala the cotto fight which anybody who really pays attention seen that was a decision not something cotto forced upon him. 2. Martinez- yes he got careless knocked down in his last fight with jr, but only after moping the floor with him and pitching a shutout, cleaned his divisiom out for the most part even though there's new blood coming (golovokin, pirog) which I believe he will fight if his body allows him to do so at his somewhat advanced age by modern boxing standards. 3. Ward- cant say anything bad about him at all, he's class in and outside the ring and the perfect example of a professional in every sense of the word. His resume is growing as the years go by, and if there was a bone id pick with him it's for not fighting Dawson at a comfortable weight for both even though Dawson offered and chefed up that scenario which ultimately backfired big time on him. 4. Donaire- Filipino flash is taking care of business and staying extremely active for a fighter of his stature. The mares and rigo fights are looming hopefully bob can get the **** done regardless of any promotional obstacles that will be present as the negotiations unwind. 5. Marquez- I love me some Marquez, but styles do make fights and he always gave PAC a run for his money if not beat him depending on who's judging and what there looking for. I myself thought it was 1-1-1 going into the forth fight, but his main focus has been PAC the last couple of years, and that to me leaves a lot to be desired to actually see how he would fair against other tough fighters that present different styles/match up problems at 140. Rios, matthyse, Garcia, khan, etc. 6. PAC- it's ironic that in his last fight where he was knocked out he actually looked the best he has in at least the last four fights, but everyone knows one punch can change everything and in his case, unfortunately it did. Hope he comes back as that same PAC, regardless of his critics definitely top 5 of his generation and maybe hands down the most exciting fighter for a certain span during so. The rest of the list can be fumbled/switched around with the following. Mares- great desire, hope the donaire fight gets done. Froch- enough said. Matthyse- can anyone actually beat this guy at 140, can't wait to see. Viloria- the past is the past for a reason, he's matured a whole lot, time for just due. Bradley- I know, I know, but still :/. Broner- resume is lacking but that's only a matter of time, skill wise I already see him as a top 5 p4p, very young and maybe the highest ceiling of any young champion there is in the game. Klitchkos- never been a big fan of putting heavyweights in my p4p lists because there was a point and time when there were the cream of the crop in terms of attention and notariety, how times have changed and competition is not nearly what it use I be at HW unfortunately. Maybe a couple of people I forgot to throw out in terms of soon to be, but based off resumes and skill combined I believe that's what it is.