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Prior to that, they said Crawford would duck Viktor Postol. We saw what happened there.
They said Crawford was unworthy of going to Scotland to fight for Ricky Burns title. They said, that should've been Beltran's title. We saw what happened there.
So how much longer, will you guys continue to doubt Bud. He fights the best, he fights the guys you say he will duck, and he dominates them one after the next.
At what point does a fighter earn the benefit of the doubt? To trust that media leaks are false, and he fully intends to take on the toughest challenges. He is building his resume off high risk and low reward fights.
lololololololol
These peeps should hang their heads in shame. Diaz is a weakling
Dirrell and Victor Ortiz are the two worst quitters ever. Dirrell is worsr because he just chooses every opportunity like this to try and get a DQ win.
Funnily enough guys like Dirrell B-Hop and Broner are the only guys ive seen that love to win by DQ. All American.
With Hopkins it is especially odd. He acts and talks "street" And Says how he's "old school" but he seems to love faking injuries and quitting.
so does cotto but people (haters) still refer to him as kneegel. he was badly cut and spent late in a fight yet the haters want to make it seem as if he quit for no reason.
Cotto always takes the easy way out.
margacheato should have been banned longer.
Margarito getting banned is a seperate issue.
Cotto refused to "give him a payday"
Then changed his mind completely when Margarito was crippled.
That is the kind of thing i expect from a movie villain not a boxing "warrior"
Didn't watch the fight but whats a reasonable score to have for the fight?
It definitely sounded like Murata wasn't doing much for several of the early rounds from this rbr & idk how many times N'Dam got knocked down total, but couldn't N'Dam have won more swing rounds, assuming there were some, to have him come out ahead on the cards legit?
Seeing the abc guy talking about it so guessing no, but still curious if anyone not trolling could see something that could reasonable go N'Dam's way.
Murata behaved as though he had won the fight before the first bell had even sounded. He arrogantly assumed he would just be handed a world title for having popularity and a gold medal. N'dam was consistent every round where as Murata would go over 30 seconds at a time without throwing a punch.
Seeing the abc guy talking about it so guessing no, but still curious if anyone not trolling could see something that could reasonable go N'Dam's way.
I assume you are talking about wbo/mendoza.
He is just mad because he lost out on that sanction money.
I find it most curious that the fans on this website seem to think this was some sort of injustice.
I suggest some of you rewatch the fight and look at the faces and reaction of the crowd in the later rounds. They knew Murata had lost so why don't any of you people??
Cotto has a rep as a quitter why exactly? Tony whipped him with bricks in his gloves and still Miguel almost won that fight.
Also he took a hellacious pounding by Pac and the ref had to stop it.
Cotto is a warrior.
Don't compare him to ortiz or Dirrel
How did he "nearly" win that fight you daft cunt.
Also he took a hellacious pounding by Pac and the ref had to stop it.
Go eat shit you fucking liar.
At the end or round eleven cotto begs his corner to stop the fight. Go and watch it on youtube right now fucker. Cotto begs and pleads for the fight to be stopped but they force him to go out.
Cotto is a warrior.
The coward refused to rematch maragrito until he was blinded and crippled. some warrior.
All he does is go out and demolish his opponents. I hear people saying TC should move up because of his height, size, and reach. Was Postol asked to move up before fighting Crawford? He's 3 inches taller than Crawford with a 3½ inch reach advantage. Why weren't people demanding he move up for the same reasons? The same with Golovkin, nobody ever demanded that he moved to 168.
Is it because he's black? Because that's what it seems like.
Most of his detractors are supporters of other "black" boxers. It's mostly because he's with Top Rank and under Arum. "Floyd left Arum but Bud's an Arum puppet"........seen that sentiment several times.
Like him or not, Bud is truly one of the best P4P boxers in the world.
Because no one wants to watch fights against dulome lundy diaz or any of these other bums he fights.
The most suspect thing about him for me is his total refusal to fight punchers.
Man, I don't even want to say my opinion on this. One of the main things that turn me off from the sport, and even the forum.
The problem goes several directions though, and a lot of people criticize it only to do it themselves later on. Some try to hide it, pretending they're giving others a taste of their own medicine, but it doesn't matter. Once you're part of that the stench of it sticks with you.
err what??
This isn't about Crawford is it?
oh i see. you are one of those salty haters :lol1: !!!!
1) show me a ''quitter'' who was as damaged as cotto and you will have showed me a guy who did the right thing
2) can YOU share that moment with the rest of us ?
3) (see 2)
4) (same as above)
you are a budding fiction writer. you still need a lot of work. your imagination is not convincing at all.
I'm not going to teach you spanish you disingenuous motherfucker.
At the end of round eleven you punk.
names to support your always claim.....lets have em.
1 Margorito - needs no explanation.
2 Manny - at the end of round 11 Cotto begs his corner to stop the fight.
3 Trout - after a few rounds he realised he's lost and decided to stop trying to win and just spoils then claims robbery after the fight. (Hopkins style)
4 canelo - (same as trout see above)
1) one would NOT be ''wrong'' in assuming margacheto needed ''help'' winning that fight. even still, it wasnt the plaster that beat cotto, it was all the unnecessary bouncing he was doing. when fighting a troglodyte, you dont need to waste gas moving around so much.
complete gibberish.
flukes (10000-1 under dogs)
I don't think you understand how odds work.
Or the meaning of the word fluke.
I have noticed only crybabies ever use the word when some hypejob-(cotto) gets beat by a scrub-(Margo).
haters want to throw stones at cotto for his diva ways but if they look a his body of work, theyd come to appreciate the future hofer.
He won his first "title" against fearsome karlos puntu and avoided every top guy at 140. Cotto lost to every live opponent he's ever faced. Just saying.
2) did you not see the ''ACTIONS'' bit ? even IF he ''begged'' for them to stop the fight (the first time im hearing such a thing and many cotto haters SPEAK SPANISH !), he coud have just stayed on his stool.....DID HE ?!?!?!?
actions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> words.
lol He pleaded with the corner to stop it so he could claim he didn't quit (you know like he did before). But his corner wouldn't play ball lol, so he went to plan b run away, don't engage at all cost and keep looking to the ref like a sad puppy so you can blame him for inevitably stopping the fight.
If you understood the words in the corner you'd know the context you moron.
pfft "Actions". Cotto is all talk.
Can't wait for Mayorga fight should be awesome!
WARMAYORGA!!!!!!
It's decisions like this that makes some casuals think our sport is no different than the WWE.
Guy out throws by over 200 and out lands by over 100 and loses a UD with the closest scorecard 8-4?
I saw a much closer fight with a clear and noticeable edge going to the guy doing the most work.
When are we going to have schools for boxing judges and referees?
When are we going to have the same type of critiquing of performance that officials from other sports undergo?
This stuff has to stop if boxing is ever going to be mainstream as it was once was...
I've had idiots argue with me about this in other threads today.
Some of these dumb bastards actually believe the PR script about about Referees are they're to protect the fighters lol. All they protect is the Promoters Interests.
And they talk about crooked judges and refs like "It's a few bad apples" lol
If it wasn't for the likes of the casual observer or the "boxing expert" types on this website, boxing would go bust.
You don't fill out the scorecards before hand in an actual sport or competition.
"boxing fans" remind me of religious people who don't want anything to affect they're fucked up take on the world.
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''separate'' issue !!!!!
plaster of tijuana leaves residue :lol1:
margacheato was a bum. never amounted to anything other than that questionable win. pure fluke. the ww version of buster douglas. after that fluky ''win'', he went back to being the caveman he always was.
By switching the topic you have admitted defeat.
Don't you know how to debate or something?
I would never defend cheating. But the question at hand was about Cottos lack of character not Margaritos lack of morals you pathetic weasel.
Also there is no such thing as a fluke in boxing.
And lets not forget the cheater did bully mayweather into retirement.
exactly !!!!
at the end of the day, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS, CHUMP.
stay salty as we watch cotto be in the spotlight, AGAIN, while margacheato bums around looking for other bums to fight :lol1:
I get the feeling you honestly beleive I am defending margo or making up that Cotto begged for the fight to be stopped.
Go find someone who speaks spanish and get them to translate the corner talk at the end of round eleven you imbecile.
always ?!?!?!? you could have saved us both a need to be quoted if you continued on with your comment.
That's a lot of words to say nothing.
What are you getting at weasel?
This was far worse than both those fights. You are right that Murata wasn't active enough, he has slow feet and does almost nothing from the outside whilst N'Dam was consistently throwing but the quality of punches from Murata were consistently better and N'Dam was getting hurt a lot from them. N'Dam never fully recovered from the knockdown in round 4, he gave his usual gutsy performance but he wasn't winning the rounds. I rarely think a fight is a robbery but this was one of the worst i've ever seen.
When you talk about quality I agree N'dam was hitting gloves and arms a hell of a lot but he would also get jabs between Muratas guard and he was landing that scuffing right hand round the side quite often. Now as I said these punches were not very good quality, but despite the power advantage in Muratas shots he wasn't throwing or landing anywhere near as many punches as N'dam .
Do you think Murata would have thrown so few punches in an "away" title fight? I believe he behaved like its in the bag because hes a gold medalist fighting in his hometown.
Did you notice the crowd/corner faces/reactions in the later rounds?? Those people looked like they thought the local hero was losing and needing a ko.
I don't care about whether Murata felt entitled or not, that has no bearing upon who won the fight.
I think you misunderstand what I am trying to say.
What I mean to say Is Murata was expecting home cooking but didn't get it.
N'Dam was not outlanding Murata by much at all.
I Disagree. If this fight was as give and take as you suggest
It would have ended with N'dam asleep.
Murata also did his fair share of punching gloves and arms.
Murata was landing it was very clean powerful punches that had a clear effect on N'Dam.
Yes and after he would land several powerfull punches he would go to sleep. N'dam never stopped punching.
N'Dam was landing some good punches but he wasn't winning the rounds
Murata was landing it was very clean powerful punches that had a clear effect on N'Dam.
lol It sounds as though N'dam could only win by ko in your eyes.
Quality is all well a good? Quality is the most important thing!
Yeah you can't land 2-5 "quality" punches a round and expect to cancel out quadruple the work without multiple knockdowns.
Are you denying Murata stopped punching for at least 20 seconds at a time??
Does standing still covering up and taking punches like a heavy bag count as quality? lol
After 12 rounds, I gave it by 2 points for Murata. You know what though? I can understand why judges could see it differently. Murata was simply way too inactive in many rounds. Yes clean punches are important, but so is activity and ring generalship.
I basically had the rounds at 6 each, I gave Murata 2 10-8 rounds though, the 4th and 7th. I made the 7th a 10-8 simply because he had N'dam on wobbly legs nearly the entire round.
Murata needs to let his hands go more. That Arthur Abraham technique bugs the hell out of me.
The thing is Arthur chose to fight that way after getting his jaw broken by Miranda. That is when his style changed.
The difference with Murata is that he was forced to fight that way by a guy who has fast hands, good angles, a high workrate and respectable power.
Murata assumed that because he has a medal and a fanbase he could do less than required and just take the title. Didn't work out that way though. lol
I've noticed a lot of these fanboys just can't admit to themselves that murata is a slow plodder with zero skills and over rated power.
One of the worst robberies in living memory, a real shocker.
there is definitely some Gym politics going on. Hasan NDam won by HD. Hilarious Decision
What the f*ck. N'Dam did not win that fight by any stretch.
A very promising prospect in Murata just got completely derailed by this robbery.
Perez v Hooker was a robbery. McDonnell v Solis was a robbry. This was a good decision.
Murata would go 30-40 seconds at a time without throwing punches. And he would do this every round. He was also handcuffing himself all night with that constant guard, Murata clearly has an entitled mentality and doesn't like it when someone hits him back.
dirrell is going down in history as a GOAT DQ artist
Nobody is "unable to continue" on his level. He sees that opening and boom his head slumps back to the canvas and he poops his pants. A true pro.
haha.
Yeah a family of cowards.
Even if true then so what?
Are you really this dumb??
I'm saying IT PLAYED A FACTOR INTO THE WAY MURATA FOUGHT THIS FIGHT!!!
I can't make it any clearer than that you retard.
Murata was not 'taking punches', he was mostly blocking punches.
lol wut??
N'dam is incredibly fast and knows how to catch guys as they try to set themselves.
N'dam handcuffed him he didn't choose to be a heavy bag as you are suggesting
lol You've never boxed have you??
infact Murata was controlling the fight and landing very clean punches
lol
Murata spent 75% of that fight with his earmuffs on.
all scared and shit about the punches coming back at him.
ndam was just too slick. people talking about punches lol. boxing is not about punches or quality of punches. did you knock out the slickster? no. no you did not. therefore you lost. stop crying.
Quality is all well and good but the japanese kid was so buisy covering up for such extended periods that it limited
his offense.
And lets give N'dam some credit. he made Murata shell up
for a half minute at a time by treating him like a walking heavybag.
beltron isn't playing with anyone. what a solid solid solid fighter he is.
KOTY candidate, certainly.
Dude needed serious medical.
Hope he is OK.
Vicious good for Beltran and his family hes becoming a one punch knockout artists.
I used to like Beltran, a hard-working fighter who has been on the wrong end of a couple controversial decisions, but then he was popped for steroids. VADA testing would be needed if he gets a title shot.
Hey Loque in another post I posed a hypothetical qustion.
What do you think?
If this human garbage (Beltran) keeps going around KOing fighters and giving concussions (like last night) or worse should he be jailed, fined, sued and banned for life when he inevitably gets popped again for anabolic steroid?
No doubt about that -- N'Dam's never lost by KO, has he?
N'Dam moved brilliantly (though he's no Willie Pep), showed resilience and determination, and deployed fast combinations effectively. However, the most decisive, positive, active as opposed to passive, impression-making elements of the fight -- the knockdown, the constant pressure, the cleaner, harder blows -- were all in Murata's favor.
No he's never been stopped. Once I saw a past it light punching former light welter buzz him!!
To be honest the idiot ref played a significant part in the scoring. He didn't count the knockdowns (when the ropes held him up) so they don't count towards the score.
beltron isn't playing with anyone. what a solid solid solid fighter he is.
KOTY candidate, certainly.
Dude needed serious medical.
Hope he is OK.
Vicious good for Beltran and his family hes becoming a one punch knockout artists.
I thought Beltran was beginning to slide and he did get some hit with some very good shots but proved he is still in the mix last night...
The Maicelo Incident raises many serious questions about the safety of boxers having to go up against drug cheats.
It is a well known fact Beltran is a drug cheating coward.
So I have a hypothetical question:
If someone is to get hurt In the ring and the opponent tests dirty. Should the cheat be Jailed, fined, sued and given a lifetime ban?
Cowards like Beltran should not be allowed to compete.
Vicious good for Beltran and his family hes becoming a one punch knockout artists.
Yeah anabolic steroids are no joke.
It is amazing to see how much stronger and harder hitting
a fighter can become when he uses drugs. Beltrans boxing
record tells an interesting yet unsettling story.
It's like Clottey, right?
Too much covering up
Clottey against who by the way? he always shells up when it gets difficult.
Murata is seemingly more of a bootleg Arthur Abrahams.
The difference being that Arthur could actually fight.
You better be worried... Frank warren and eddie hearn have robbed many traveling fighters on the cards.... Lets hope ellerbe nostrils requested neutral judges instead of just smiling for the cameras all the time....
Yes that is how you do it. When you are booking your judges
You choose from either the dirty or neutral list.
Also if you have a prime account you're judges will be there the next day.
I think you have some good points. I had Murata winning 114-113. Murata didn't throw enough punches and was too careful with his high-guard defense. If he had gone for it with the heart of a scrappy challenger (not easy to do once you've got a million dollar signing bonus) -- especially once he had N'Dam hurt -- would he have been able to take him out? We'll never know.
That said, I still don't think N'Dam did enough to win.
Well to be fair N'dams constant punching is what made Murata shell up at times. And The difference in pro experience between the two is staggering.
I've noticed people always seem to forget how fast N'dam can be and how much heart the guy has. He may go down in literally every other fight but he seems quite difficult to put away.