... the Horn fight was 2 years ago... now Pacman is 40 yo... and he's fighting a very different breed, tbh... :)
You’re right, Thurman is a different breed, he’s undefeated and his resume is better than Crawford’s and Spence’s combined. These young undefeated lions won’t fight each other so the old lion will show them what it takes to be a lion king.
I mean, Calslappy did it with Chris Eubank, Jeff Horn did it with Manny already...it happens
Jeff Horn did not destroy Pac, stop talking nonsense. The majority of boxing fans didn’t even believe he won that fight. Pac remains in the top 5 welterweight rankings and he is fighting Thurman for the real WBA belt. Nobody destroyed Pac, Marquez did the best job by knocking Pac out cold but Pac came back to become a champion again.
Horn will destroy Crawford
Maybe in MMA but not in boxing, he may be a school teacher but when he fights Crawford, he’s gonna learn some boxing lessons from his boxing teacher(Crawford).
My point is, until there's a contract, it's words.
Remember, for Floyd to do the fight, Manny will be forced to do random blood and urine testing. After a taste of PED-supported power and pain numbing shots being him a knockout, he all of a sudden will just accept being blocked from all that?
Or even better : money split. You know how Floyd operates with B-sides.
PEDs and drug testing wouldn’t be an issue here, nobody knows better than Mayweather, that’s why he paid Pac to settle the defamation lawsuit against him years ago. I don’t think money split would be an issue either, they fought before and they agreed to all the terms, in fact, it would be easier for them to negotiate this time because Pac already got rid of Arum. This time it will be just Pac and Mayweather doing the negotiations and nothing will stop them. It will be the biggest fight of the year.
Jeff Fenech has come out with more criticism of Horn's trainer, Glenn Rushton, saying that his methods are primitive and that Horn should have changed trainers years ago.
It's a shame that Horn's toughness and determination have been wasted through a lack of proper tuition. Lucky for Packy though I guess.
Fenech was the one who advised Horn to fight dirty against Pac, Arum was the mastermind, he got the 3 judges and the referee working for him, even the group who reviewed the fight. If you block me like you said before, you’re just showing you are not man enough to handle a conversation. Horn’s “walking dead” face and the fight statistics tell the whole story, nobody can deny it.
I meant "his moves outside the ring". Not long ago, he was talking about tangoing with McG (Money's leftover). His selection of opponents these days annoy the hell out of me. I know his sugar daddy has the final say in everything but come on...can't he just stand up to Bob at least once?
That’s the problem, Arum was matching him with very good fighters before so he thinks he needs to return the favor, he just doesn’t realize he already did long time ago and they’re even and could be on his own whenever he wants. Mayweather and Delahoya did it, why can’t he?
You cant prove it. Azira shakes are undetectable. Why do you think Pac paid Azira millions over the years? You dont really think it was "strength training" and "protein shakes" do you?
Pac didn’t hire Ariza, Roach did and Ariza never got busted like Heredia and Conte so if you wanna be credible, you better be able to prove it.
Manny wont even fight him lol, and Mikey has a lot better defense than what Manny has, I have no doubt Spence will stop a 40 yr old Manny after beating the crap out of him , gunna be an Oscar Chavez Snr beating.
And if Pac wins, are you ready to admit you’re wrong? Pac is a seasoned veteran and should not be underestimated. The man used to live in the streets of Manila sleeping in cardboard boxes and he survived and became a boxing superstar so underestimating him is the last thing you want to do.
only in the world of a very small child
why do you REALLY need to believe that ?
Pac REFUSED to test, AS YOU WELL KNOW..... so, my opening line still stands
you dishonest apologists are the worst
1) Canelo could be dirty..... and if he is, fk him
2) it is clearly obvious what was up with Pac.... so p*ss off lol
3) not sure what was up with Marquez..... but, yea
blames everyone else..... but not Manny, no way, impossible lol
The only test he refused was Mayweather’s olympic style test, this is not the olympics, this is professional boxing and boxers on PEDs already got busted. “Innocent until proven guilty”, that’s how our court system works, you can’t prove it, then you don’t have a case, it’s as simple as that.
Watched the entire fight and my conclusion is he probably can beat Shawn Porter or Danny Garcia but PAC isn’t beating Crawford and Spence. Anyone that thinks that is either high or drunk right now. But big congrats to Manny!!!!
Anything is possible in boxing, if Father Time doesn’t beat Pac first, he will give Spence some competition.
Manny is dropping their names, I dont like the fact that Manny can use their names and the fans lavish BS praise on him for naming them but its wrong for these guys to say ok Manny lets go.
Manny is a current WC to me that means he is open to all top rated guys and they should be able to go for his title, thats essentially what boxing is about.
Manny is like a National Geographic protected species.
The real problem here are these young undefeated champions who wouldn’t fight each other, it takes an old legend like Pac to lead the way by fighting and beating another young and undefeated champion (Thurman). Thurman already fought Danny Garcia, Porter and Pac and Spence fought Porter but Crawford never fought any of these guys. Sure, they could challenge Pac because he’s a champion too but they should earn a “Pac payday” by fighting each other first and the winner fights Pac for the undisputed welterweight crown.
they're juicing Manny to the gills for this one. he needs that mayweather money again
Where’s your proof? Mayweather’s retired and Pac’s the second biggest cash cow in boxing, they will always make money without fighting each other.
I don't think Thurman took a dive because it looked like he was trying to win. I just think he was out of boxing so long that he couldn't turn it all the way back on the way he thought he could. Once pac and Roach saw him get rocked by josesito lopez, they knew he wasn't the same guy he was 2 yrs ago, and wouldn't get back to being that guy just a few months later. That's why they picked him.
It goes both ways, Thurman knew Pac’s not the same guy he was 8 years ago and he actually thought he would retire Pac but the old lion showed him what “rude awakening” is all about. I hope he learned a valuable lesson not to underestimate his opponents, I’d like to see him become a champion again.
While 1x hasn't ko'd a person in a while, hes still too much of a threat.
I wouldn't hold it against Pac for not fighting these dangerous guys. I'm used to it by now.
You have to realize it’s not Pac, it was Arum matching him with those B level fighters. That’s why he left Arum and now that he’s not with Arum, he will be fighting the best opponents available or just retire if it’s not the case. Like I said, Thurman is his best option, there could only be one WBA champion and the winner would be the one and only WBA champion.
You think I'm a Broner fan...I'm just taking the lesser of two evils.
Just pointing out Pacquiao only beats the **** out of anything when there is no random blood testing.
Well, they’re doing random blood testing for this fight (VADA) so if your "lesser evil”, the one who went to jail (looks like you have a soft spot for criminals and they become the lesser evil) gets destroyed, it would prove you wrong. What would be your excuse?
So it's this one, and not any of his other legendary performances? Who the hell is Broner to make you feel that way? Marquez could come out of retirement and probably stop Broner lol
Marquez is done, he said it himself, that’s why he retired. They claim Broner has an iron chin, that’s why nobody ever knocked him out. That’s my point, if Pac knocks him out at age 40 with VADA testing, it will change most doubters into believers, not the hardcore haters because no matter what Pac achieves, they will always try to put him down.
Porter believes Pac maybe the 1st one to beat Broner by KO, he knows Pac very well because he used to be one of Pac’s sparring partners.
As others have said PAC needs to step it up or just retire. He just fought Jeff Horn and now they are bringing him back against a clearly worn and retired Alvarado? Mathysee looked terrible against a journeyman and received a strange looking KO after being dominated. Now PAC could be fighting him after? What is the criteria for his opposition? He is going to keep going until one of these Cherry Pics catches him clean on another bad night. Clearly his heart isn’t in this thing anymore. These agenda guys love to bring up Mayweathers last few fights but Berto on the back of beating Pacquiao would be a bigger threat than the guys PAC is facing. But most importantly mayweather was retired and not stealing younger fighters shine in the rankings. Matter fact PAC please fight Beto now? Maybe even Collazzo for a step up? And who wouldn’t fight McGregor for the “Second highest selling PPV of all time.” 4.4 million viewers at close to 100 a house? Pac, Oscar and Canelo were all chasing that same fight while condemning it for Floyd. Pac is a guy who if he had eeked it against Horn would still be holding the belt hostage fighting The “Who are you” and “Where have you been of boxing.” PAC is draining his legacy by hanging around too long. Just look at the comments on boxingscene. If we are all honest he hasn’t looked phenomenal in the era of testing and I was really a huge fan. Tell me, as a fan, why would you want to see him go out like this? Especially if he was supposedly old when he lost to an even older Mayweather? You guys don’t even make sense any more. You have spun yourselves dizzy. But no spinning a spiraling career against resurrected bodies of the no variety.
Pac’s boxing skills declined when he became a politician, you’re right his heart is not in boxing anymore, I guess he’s just doing it to support his political ambitions. You have to be committed to be on top.
They’re just trying to hype it up before the rematch. Thurman, Broner and Malignaggi believed Pac and Mayweather would have a rematch, I believe it will happen. Win, lose or draw, I wanna see it again! There’s no other fight out there bigger than a rematch between the 2 best fighters of their generation.
This is what I respect out of fighters. Acknowledge the embarrassing loss, do a rematch and prove to me that you are better than that.
NOW WHY COULDN'T MANNY BE LIKE THIS AFTER HE LOST?? This is EXACTLY what Manny should have said.
Because Pac and more than 90% of boxing fans all over the world knew Pac won that fight and with a few more meaningful fights left before he retires, a Horn rematch is not an option. What part of that don’t you understand?
Hahahaha just like i predicted Paulina gona break her sissy hands and artem is going to put two holes in his head... Paulina’s face looked like burger meat
Amir Khan would rearrange his face in a bare knuckles fight and put him to sleep. What a loser!
It's alright to make excuses but making sh*it up is just plain dumb and ignorant.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/boxing/the-moment-jeff-horn-almost-lost-it/news-story/7cb183d71aa78356ec742689ef1a55c6
Either Broner wants to save his old friend Mayweather's chance to make more millions against Pacquiao, or he wins this fight.
If no behind-the-scene dirtiness is involved, I'd put my money on Broner as of now. The Pacquiao seen against a totally shot Matthysse did not convince me.
Tata, what about the Broner who can’t even beat Vargas, do you really think he could beat Pac?
No one wants to face the boogeyman Crawford.
He could only blame himself. He knew exactly what would happen when he signed up with Top Rank, Arum will make him fight nobody but bums from Top Rank or gate keepers outside of Top Rank. He needs to dump Arum before he gets old and past his prime.
he doesn't hate Mexicans. He hates cheaters (which is why he's spoken out against Canelo ever since he tested positive, not before). He's given pac more hate than anyone and it's because he feels he was a ped cheat.
He’s a big loser, plain and simple. Glass chin Amir Khan humiliated him in the ring and instead of taking it like a man, he accused Khan of using PEDs. Now, an MMA fighter taught him some boxing lessons. What a big loser!
Sorry, you're wrong, I recognize and appreciate foreign fighters (Pacquiao #1 in my book, still @ 40) being sarcastic in statement, example, saying Pac should not, no way lose to Thurman.
Thurman will never fight Crawford (serious beat-down for Thurman) nor would he fight or win vs. any of the names on Crawford's resume:
Khan
Horn
Gamboa
Postol
Indongo
Benavidez Jr
I think you're confused with today's true fighters with yesterday's commercial fighters
Today’s so called “true fighters” don’t have the guts to fight each other. It takes a past his prime 40 years old legend to show them how to do it the old fashioned way.
yall acting like pac is in his 20s-30s or something lol... manny has very few fights left at the top level. it's either fight spence and retired or fight thurman then retired or get the floyd rematch and then retired.
I’ll be glad to see him retire right now but he wants to fight 2 more times, so why not fight the best opponents available. At least even if he loses, he will lose with honor and dignity. The last thing he wants is to fight a lesser opponent and lose by robbery like when he was fighting under Top Rank with Arum as the mastermind.