Canelo is not an all time great fighter

I ain't saying Chavez doesn't have his own personal controversies. Familial issues, alcoholism and cocaine addiction, cartel association, the backing Don King which gives him a edge like the rest of King's fighter who he had leeched on. But a picker ain't one of em. Julio is a crafty infighter, who gave his utmost in top level fights. Canelo is a generalist who has above average attributes and skill wise, can press and counter who do a tad of either, quite solid but isn't the best at any area nor shouldn't had been winning on the scorecards so dominantly excepting some fights. Alvarez Waits for the appropiate conditions, whether it's a aged fighter or a fight brought up a division. Then waits for a opportunity to turn the tides to have the sucess to win on the scoreboards. Whether it's Plant or Saunders, Cotto or Mosley, and Khan or Charlo. Can't say I ever seen him do such memorable fights to what Chavez at his prime displayed performances when it came to top level competition when he did win. Personally opinion is that ability and skill wise in respective division. Alvarez isn't as good, just had major backing and quite well skilled enough to pull off wins with more opponents with certain conditions or circumstances though they are exceptions. If you enjoy his fights that's good for you, though even if I wasn't around to see Chavez, Finito Lopez and Sanchez time from 80-90s, their fights are quite entertaining like Barrera, Morales ans Marquez. Can't say the same for Canelo though he had entertaining displays of head movements and finishes.

Whose ranked higher..? CANELO or EL GRAND CAMPEON! JULIOO CESSAAARRR CHAAAAVEEEZZZZ

What was the question?

Why didn't anyone weep for Triple Flops life when he went up against Vanes, Kamil, Rolls, Shortychenko (robbery !!!!) and/or Murata ?!?!?!?

imo, canelo fought in a weak division. which is why he was able to get his way for the most part.. his best win was a washed up G, and most felt he lost the first fight. he never had a "great" win like the other ATG's. He fought G to a decision in all 3 fights. Should I ask you the same question again :dunno: ?!?!

And yet, you haven't answer a simple question I'll ask again since you've now overtly avoided answering the question 5 times; You said this; "Yes for real, he fought Monzon, multiple times, Eddie Muhammed, Emile griffith, multiple times and Rodrigo Valdes. Any of those 4 fighters would have done a number on Saul" Did Bennie Briscoe beat any of those fighters in bold? It's a yes or no question. ANSWER IT. no elite fighter on canelo's resume that he beat, and that's the beauty of a resume, if you have 70 wins against b,c and d fighters, how do you grade that resume? Crappy, right?. Quantity doesn't translate to quality. I have literally, and by definition LITERALLY broke down Canelo's entire resume. Why are you not doing the same for the fighters that you've claimed have better resumes than him? Is it because you can't? I have listed Canelo's resume. Now, break down the resumes of Bennie Briscoe Kosta Tszyu Micheal Nunn Nigel Benn Matthew Saad Muhammad Klitshcko brothers Rocky Graziano Winky Wright Bob Foster Jeff Fenech Flash Elorde Then we can compare.​​ Very very easy and simple.

Yet, you claimed Bennie Briscoe has a better resume than Canelo and tried to justify that asinine claim by naming 4 fighters he fought, 3 of which he holds NO WINS OVER across 5 fights Then, in response to using Canelo's loss's using your own logic to counteract that brain dead take, you said "He lost those fights so they don't count on the resume" So you either weren't aware Briscoe holds NO WINS over Monzon, Griffith and Valdez or you're just plain retarded. In fact no, either way you're retarded. And yet, you haven't answer a simple question, no elite fighter on canelo's resume that he beat, and that's the beauty of a resume, if you have 70 wins against b,c and d fighters, how do you grade that resume? Crappy, right?. Quantity doesn't translate to quality.

You did it, IronDanHamza will go after you with zero regard for common sense and absolutely no knowledge what a real resume looks. Yet, you claimed Bennie Briscoe has a better resume than Canelo and tried to justify that asinine claim by naming 4 fighters he fought, 3 of which he holds NO WINS OVER across 5 fights Then, in response to using Canelo's loss's using your own logic to counteract that brain dead take, you said "He lost those fights so they don't count on the resume" So you either weren't aware Briscoe holds NO WINS over Monzon, Griffith and Valdez or you're just plain retarded. In fact no, either way you're retarded.

You have no shame. Oh looky, STILL can't answer a simple queston :lol1: Did you need help understanding it? I'll ask again since you've now overtly avoided answering the question 4 times; You said this; "Yes for real, he fought Monzon, multiple times, Eddie Muhammed, Emile griffith, multiple times and Rodrigo Valdes. Any of those 4 fighters would have done a number on Saul" Did Bennie Briscoe beat any of those fighters in bold? It's a yes or no question. ANSWER IT. Ggg(past his prime and canelo on peds)and Lara beat his @$$, Cotto, Kovalev(how many clausulas were in his contract, and 12 rounds 8 weeks before)were past their prime, Trout? Open score three judges paid by the A team, they stopped the fight with Angulo when he was comong back and ginger getting tired, Danny Jacobs, common man, clauses and clauses with almost no time, the rest mediocres fighters that never where put in there without much merits. Now, how many hall of fames are in that list of yours, there's your answer. How many are on my list? Mention one elite fighter in his prime that ginger beat? Stop avoiding, just answer without further delay. Fantastic. Now do the same as I have and list these fighters resumes; Bennie Briscoe Kosta Tszyu Micheal Nunn Nigel Benn Matthew Saad Muhammad Klitshcko brothers Rocky Graziano Winky Wright Bob Foster Jeff Fenech Flash Elorde Then we can compare.​

Is this intention irony or are you not realising how painfully hypocritical this statment is? I'll ask again since you've now overtly avoided answering the question 3 times; You said this; "Yes for real, he fought Monzon, multiple times, Eddie Muhammed, Emile griffith, multiple times and Rodrigo Valdes. Any of those 4 fighters would have done a number on Saul" Did Bennie Briscoe beat any of those fighters in bold? It's a yes or no question. I have already cited Canelo resume multiple times. I'll do it again to appease you; Gennady Golovkin Miguel Cotto Austin Trout Erislany Lara Danny Jacobs Sergey Kovalev Liam Smith James Kirkland Alfredo Angulo Callum Smith Billy Joe Saunders Caleb Plant Now go ahead and do the same for; Bennie Briscoe Kosta Tszyu Micheal Nunn Nigel Benn Matthew Saad Muhammad Klitshcko brothers Rocky Graziano Winky Wright Bob Foster Jeff Fenech Flash Elorde ​ List their full resumes and let's see which one's are more better and hold more accomplishments than Canelo's. You have no shame. Ggg(past his prime and canelo on peds)and Lara beat his @$$, Cotto, Kovalev(how many clausulas were in his contract, and 12 rounds 8 weeks before)were past their prime, Trout? Open score three judges paid by the A team, they stopped the fight with Angulo when he was comong back and ginger getting tired, Danny Jacobs, common man, clauses and clauses with almost no time, the rest mediocres fighters that never where put in there without much merits. Now, how many hall of fames are in that list of yours, there's your answer. How many are on my list? Mention one elite fighter in his prime that ginger beat? Stop avoiding, just answer without further delay.

You did it, IronDanHamza will go after you with zero regard for common sense and absolutely no knowledge what a real resume looks. Yeah that guy is an absolute bellend, talks through his a$$ for sure

Canelo was meant to fight Benavidez in 2022 but ducked and ran up to 175lbs instead to make the fight with Bivol, obviously viewing him as a weak champion who he thought he'd dominate... But we saw how that one played out? Canelo has only beaten b grade fighters, aged fighters and those at a weight disadvantage to himself. In reality he lost to Golovkin twice and although it shows a a win for him on paper, most fans hold the view that it was controversial Reynoso runs a gym where numerous of his fighters have tested dirty for PEDs. Canelo has been with Reynoso for his whole career - Canelo has tested positive for PEDs Canelo invented a pathetic 155lbs catchweight division to hide from Golovkin in an unprecedented display of cowardice. Canelo has heavy slow feet, terrible stamina (often fading down the stretch) and shown he has no plan B in fights. Canelo is not an all time great... You did it, IronDanHamza will go after you with zero regard for common sense and absolutely no knowledge what a real resume looks.

Don't avoid the question. Is this intention irony or are you not realising how painfully hypocritical this statment is? I'll ask again since you've now overtly avoided answering the question 3 times; You said this; "Yes for real, he fought Monzon, multiple times, Eddie Muhammed, Emile griffith, multiple times and Rodrigo Valdes. Any of those 4 fighters would have done a number on Saul" Did Bennie Briscoe beat any of those fighters in bold? It's a yes or no question. Find me, in that out this world resume of Saul, one elite boxer in his prime that he has beat. Just one and don't get back to me with anothe $h1t, you ask for 70 fighters and I answered. Find just one on ginger resume that we can say, wow, an elite boxer in his prime and canelo kick the crap our of him. Not a guy three division below with alcohol problems and inactive, well he ain't elite. Found one. I have already cited Canelo resume multiple times. I'll do it again to appease you; Gennady Golovkin Miguel Cotto Austin Trout Erislany Lara Danny Jacobs Sergey Kovalev Liam Smith James Kirkland Alfredo Angulo​ Callum Smith Billy Joe Saunders Caleb Plant Now go ahead and do the same for; Bennie Briscoe Kosta Tszyu Micheal Nunn Nigel Benn Matthew Saad Muhammad Klitshcko brothers Rocky Graziano Winky Wright Bob Foster Jeff Fenech Flash Elorde ​ List their full resumes and let's see which one's are more better and hold more accomplishments than Canelo's.

Canelo was meant to fight Benavidez in 2022 but ducked and ran up to 175lbs instead to make the fight with Bivol, obviously viewing him as a weak champion who he thought he'd dominate... But we saw how that one played out? Canelo has only beaten b grade fighters, aged fighters and those at a weight disadvantage to himself. In reality he lost to Golovkin twice and although it shows a a win for him on paper, most fans hold the view that it was controversial Reynoso runs a gym where numerous of his fighters have tested dirty for PEDs. Canelo has been with Reynoso for his whole career - Canelo has tested positive for PEDs Canelo invented a pathetic 155lbs catchweight division to hide from Golovkin in an unprecedented display of cowardice. Canelo has heavy slow feet, terrible stamina (often fading down the stretch) and shown he has no plan B in fights. Canelo is not an all time great...

Just saw this hilarious edit. You're listing 1/2 wins per person, show their resume, dumbass. And then we can compare it to Canelo's. Canelo's resume is better than every single fighter that's listed there. None of them are even close. Firstly, you're using your critique of Canelo fighting fighters not in their prime, from your list the fighters who weren't prime; Tito Trinidad (That you've hilarious tried to claim here was in his prime. What, in in 2005? Are you brain dead?) Dick Tiger Azumah Nelson Tony Zale You're listing these wins are "elite wins" when Canelo has that level of win numerous times on his resume. Marvin Johnson? Tony Zale? Matthew Saad Muhammad? You're actually trying to claim Canelo doesn't have wins of this caliber? Don't avoid the question. Find me, in that out this world resume of Saul, one elite boxer in his prime that he has beat. Just one and don't get back to me with anothe $h1t, you ask for 70 fighters and I answered. Find just one on ginger resume that we can say, wow, an elite boxer in his prime and canelo kick the crap our of him. Not a guy three division below with alcohol problems and inactive, well he ain't elite. Found one.

You're a clown. All those fighters you're mentioning are way better fighters and fear none, they faced and won some of the best of their era. Mention one elite fighter canelo has beating? Foster beat **** Tiger Nigel Benn beat Mclellan Qawi beat Mathew Saad Saad beat marvin Johnson Graziano lost and won vs Tony Zale winky wright won ve Shane Mosley and Trinidad, in their prime. elorde? I can give you that one. Fenech won and lost against Nelson And please, stop with canelo's resume, it is laughable. mention one elite fighter he beat, don't go around the bush. Just saw this hilarious edit. You're listing 1/2 wins per person, show their resume, dumbass. And then we can compare it to Canelo's. Canelo's resume is better than every single fighter that's listed there. None of them are even close. Firstly, you're using your critique of Canelo fighting fighters not in their prime, from your list the fighters who weren't prime; Tito Trinidad (That you've hilarious tried to claim here was in his prime. What, in in 2005? Are you brain dead?) Dick Tiger Azumah Nelson Tony Zale You're listing these wins are "elite wins" when Canelo has that level of win numerous times on his resume. Marvin Johnson? Tony Zale? Matthew Saad Muhammad? You're actually trying to claim Canelo doesn't have wins of this caliber?

You're a clown. Is there a reason you're not answering a very simple yes or no question? You can read? You know what the word "yes" and "no mean? You said this; "Yes for real, he fought Monzon, multiple times, Eddie Muhammed, Emile griffith, multiple times and Rodrigo Valdes. Any of those 4 fighters would have done a number on Saul" Did Bennie Briscoe beat any of those fighters in bold? It's a yes or no question. ​ All those fighters you're mentioning are way better fighters and fear none, they faced and won some of the best of their era. Mention one elite fighter canelo has beating? How about this, go through all their resumes and break down how they're better than Canelo's You've already miserably failed with Bennie Briscoe and Micheal Nunn. Now try it with; Nigel Benn Matthew Saad Muhammad Klitshcko brothers Rocky Graziano Winky Wright Bob Foster Jeff Fenech Flash Elorde This should be hilarious :lol1:

Except you literally didn't do that and did the opposite by ignoring it multiple times. You said this; "Yes for real, he fought Monzon, multiple times, Eddie Muhammed, Emile griffith, multiple times and Rodrigo Valdes. Any of those 4 fighters would have done a number on Saul" Did Bennie Briscoe beat any of those fighters in bold? It's a yes or no question. There's way more than three. Those three of Tszyu, Briscoe and Nunn were just are just the most comical. You've included Dwight Muahmmad Qawi which is equally as comical. Nigel Benn, Matthew Saad Muhammad, Klitshcko brothers, Rocky Graziano, Winky Wright, Bob Foster, Jeff Fenech, Flash Elorde, and a list of others that are COMICAL inclusions. Beyond laughable. None of those fighters listed resume or career are even close to Canelo's. You're just throwing names in there in the hope that people don't know their careers but unfortnuately for you buddy, I do. With every last one of them. You clearly do not. I mean, Bennie Briscoe, being ranked higher on an ATG list than Canelo Alvarez? :lol1: Legit one of the most retarded positions I have ever heard in my life. And If we're including loss's like you have for your inclusions than Canelo is WAY higher. You're a clown. All those fighters you're mentioning are way better fighters and fear none, they faced and won some of the best of their era. Mention one elite fighter canelo has beating? Foster beat Dick Tiger Nigel Benn beat Mclellan Qawi beat Mathew Saad Saad beat marvin Johnson Graziano lost and won vs Tony Zale winky wright won ve Shane Mosley and Trinidad, in their prime. elorde? I can give you that one. Fenech won and lost against Nelson And please, stop with canelo's resume, it is laughable. mention one elite fighter he beat, don't go around the bush.

I addressed everything; Except you literally didn't do that and did the opposite by ignoring it multiple times. You said this; "Yes for real, he fought Monzon, multiple times, Eddie Muhammed, Emile griffith, multiple times and Rodrigo Valdes. Any of those 4 fighters would have done a number on Saul" Did Bennie Briscoe beat any of those fighters in bold? It's a yes or no question. you asked for 70 fighters, and I gave you 74. You're upset because three of them don't meet your criteria. Who is the buffoon? There's way more than three. Those three of Tszyu, Briscoe and Nunn were just are just the most comical. You've included Dwight Muahmmad Qawi which is equally as comical. Nigel Benn, Matthew Saad Muhammad, Klitshcko brothers, Rocky Graziano, Winky Wright, Bob Foster, Jeff Fenech, Flash Elorde, and a list of others that are COMICAL inclusions. Beyond laughable. None of those fighters listed resume or career are even close to Canelo's. You're just throwing names in there in the hope that people don't know their careers but unfortnuately for you buddy, I do. With every last one of them. You clearly do not. I mean, Bennie Briscoe, being ranked higher on an ATG list than Canelo Alvarez? :lol1: Legit one of the most retarded positions I have ever heard in my life. And If we're including loss's like you have for your inclusions than Canelo is WAY higher.

No surprises like a typical buffoon you address nothing that you said that you were challenged on :lol1: YOU are the one who included loss's on a resume RETARD. You said this; "Yes for real, he fought Monzon, multiple times, Eddie Muhammed, Emile griffith, multiple times and Rodrigo Valdes. Any of those 4 fighters would have done a number on Saul" Did Bennie Briscoe beat any of those fighters in bold? I addressed everything; you asked for 70 fighters, and I gave you 74. You're upset because three of them don't meet your criteria. Who is the buffoon?