It never ceases to amaze me how quickly some people write off an entire fighter's career despite one bad loss or performance. For example, Haney is a former champion in 2 weight classes (including undisputed) yet one bad performance against PED taking Garcia and he's suddenly one of the worst fighter's on the planet. It's as if everything he ever achieved never occurred. Same story for Sheeraz who was BLOWING the competition away in emphatic style and managed to land a title shot only to be outclassed and now he's nothing but a hype job and yesterday's news. There are countless other examples throughout history e.g. Naseem, Spence & even Broner (who was a 4 division champion!).
I look at things a DIFFERENT way. There are literally millions of fight fans around the world and tens of thousands regularly pack arenas to see these modern day gladiators perform. I rank fighter's according to 3 categories:- grade A - potential world title challenger, grade B - potential international/intercontinental title challenger & grade C - domestic title challenger. Therefore, in my opinion, somebody like Haney has already reached the HIGHEST level in the sport and nothing he does from this point on can ever change that whereas Sheeraz ALMOST reached the same feat but had to settle for the silver medal. Assuming boxing was the equivalent of the 4x4 relay (because there's potentially 4 world titles up for grabs), would you consider the team that placed second and won silver a failure? If yes than it says more about you than them as most people would consider that an EXTREMELY good result (especially considering there are millions of fight fans around the world yet only a tiny fraction manage to become world level fighters).
Also, don't be so quick to write off somebody after a loss. PLENTY of fighter's throughout history have gone on to win world titles after taking their first L e.g. Hopkins, Marquez, Khan etc so nothing is impossible.
There's an old well known Native American saying 'inside you there are 2 wolves...one good and one evil. The one who wins is the one you FEED'!
You start feeling empowered and think you're being FUNNY by talking ill about highly successful people online when in reality you're just digging your own grave deeper! :rofl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHBtyoPOas0&ab_channel=BoloPunchProductions
boxing fans also invest something into a 'new guy' who is doing well or great & beating up the people they want beaten up, so its human nature than to feel a bit let down or annoyed when this boxer does not live up to expectations & they may even feel that the boxer is actually just a hypejob and has fooled them into thinking they are better than than actually are and going forward this boxer will not be able to beat up the people the fan wants beaten up
in boxing styles can actually make fights and boxers can lose their mojo confidence chin plus getting smacked in the head is an accumulation & injuries happen, form can go up and down or just down and down in some cases so its a mixed bag of stuff
When you lose, the sharks will say I told you so he was overated? But there's nothing wrong with.losing, whilst it's generally accepted idea nobodies unbeatable. So the losing part is forgivable if you can comeback to convince people it was off night.
Then, you win titles in as many divisions, over 4 decades at an age others can't deliver. Then all is forgiven.
Unbeaten guys don't escape the microscope too, as people say why is he unbeaten, what advantages did you get? Or are you really unbeaten I swear I saw you in a fight where I thought you got gift.
Haneys return after his defeat showed he should be written off
Go and look at Pacquiao vs Rios ,thats how a real champion comes back from a devastating defeat
I think Haney's performance showed that he's HUMAN and not some indestructible monster. After all, Ramirez is a 2x world champion but he still won a shutout. Also, at least he had the BALLS to return to the ring unlike Spence who suffered a similar beatdown but is still scared to leave the house!
Boxing fans are entitled morons who demand the world while offering sht all in return but their opinions rofl. The mentality of losers
I swear most are happier gossiping about potential ducking than they are observing the fights
I knew there’s no hope for most when these geeks started itching about Turki who has done more good than harm
boxers being called bums because they didn’t win a fight is disturbing
Athletes in other sports don’t get treated this way despite being physically inferior to boxers
Joshua has some bad ko losses but LeBron would get killed by Joshua in a real battle
Yep...people tend to PROJECT their own insecurities and failures onto others who fail (or even succeed) because it makes them 'feel better' about themselves...PATHETIC! I believe that all humans are connected to one another and it's human nature to feel triggered/down when somebody else fails in whatever endeavour. However, common sense should prevail and we should look at a fighter's ENTIRE backstory before writing them after one bad loss/performance. After all, virtually ALL top fighter's suffered a few losses in the amateurs but it didn't prevent them from becoming world champions as pro's.
Fickle, Foolish, Picky, Disrespectful, Childish and I could go on. In a way, you almost can't blame Boxers being diva's now only focused on getting their biggest pay day with no care about the sport or legacy. Look at who they are supposed to please. Who needs enemies when you got fans like that.
Still it has to be stated that the casuals pay most of their bills so they can't go all out with that mindset either.
Good point...there are definitely SOME fighter's who deliberately avoid other fighter's and cherry-pick their way to an undefeated record. However, at the end of the day, MOST fighter's have had plenty of amateur + pro fighters so are pretty much willing to fight anybody if the money's right. Therefore, we shouldn't write off Haney for giving the fans what they wanted against Garcia or Sheeraz for daring to be great.
boxers will generally lose at some point if they are not ducking marinators like we see so often now
u wouldnt write lebron off as being hopeless after 1 bad game but we sometimes only see these guys 1 or twice a year so it takes time for them to bounce back if fans are not happy
Great analogy plus boxing's an INDIVIDUAL sport unlike basketball and most other sports. Also, the legends of the past fought hundreds of times and finished with 20+ losses each but nobody bats an eyelid and it DOESN'T diminish their greatness.
maybe if the boxing media didn't hype these guys up and force them on us as the next pound for pound ppv superduperstar we would be more forgiving when they lose
Agreed but a fighter's only as good as his LAST performance. For example, Sheeraz was getting hyped to the moon after 3 very impressive victories but we shouldn't hold it against him for daring to be great and failing.
Haneys return after his defeat showed he should be written off
Go and look at Pacquiao vs Rios ,thats how a real champion comes back from a devastating defeat
There are definitely overrated guys like tank, Wilder broner etc...Haney clearly lost to Loma but he's still a good fighter. Loma lost to Lopez but he's still a good fighter. Lopez lost to kambosos but he's still a good fighter. Kambosos...is actually not good. It happens. People talk like innoue is overrated because he got dropped or lost a couple rounds to donaire. Pretty silly and that's why guys continue to fight weak comp. So they look better. I think fans prefer their favs blowing out bums sometimes. That way in fantasy projections they can claim stupi-d cra-p
Athletes in other sports don’t get treated this way despite being physically inferior to boxers
Joshua has some bad ko losses but LeBron would still get his ass whooped by Joshua
so u think lebron is physically inferior to AJ?
You start feeling empowered and think you're being FUNNY by talking ill about highly successful people online when in reality you're just digging your own grave deeper! :rofl:u wouldnt write lebron off as being hopeless after 1 bad game but we sometimes only see these guys 1 or twice a year so it takes time for them to bounce back if fans are not happyFickle, Foolish, Picky, Disrespectful, Childish and I could go on. In a way, you almost can't blame Boxers being diva's now only focused on getting their biggest pay day with no care about the sport or legacy. Look at who they are supposed to please. Who needs enemies when you got fans like that.
Still it has to be stated that the casuals pay most of their bills so they can't go all out with that mindset either.Boxing fans are entitled morons who demand the world while offering sht all in return but their opinions rofl. The mentality of losers
I swear most are happier gossiping about potential ducking than they are observing the fights
I knew there’s no hope for most when these geeks started itching about Turki who has done more good than harm
boxers being called bums because they didn’t win a fight is disturbing
Athletes in other sports don’t get treated this way despite being physically inferior to boxers
Joshua has some bad ko losses but LeBron would get killed by Joshua in a real battle
On the flipside, one good performance and you can be back in good graces. The hate Haney got for the Lomachenko fight died down after he moved up and beat Prograis.
Fickle, Foolish, Picky, Disrespectful, Childish and I could go on. In a way, you almost can't blame Boxers being diva's now only focused on getting their biggest pay day with no care about the sport or legacy. Look at who they are supposed to please. Who needs enemies when you got fans like that.
Still it has to be stated that the casuals pay most of their bills so they can't go all out with that mindset either.
boxers will generally lose at some point if they are not ducking marinators like we see so often now
u wouldnt write lebron off as being hopeless after 1 bad game but we sometimes only see these guys 1 or twice a year so it takes time for them to bounce back if fans are not happy
maybe if the boxing media didn't hype these guys up and force them on us as the next pound for pound ppv superduperstar we would be more forgiving when they lose
Good post and I largely agree. I would only add that you're possibly focusing on the boxing fans you're aware of on the internet too much. It draws out the most negatively extreme people possible so will give you a skewed perception of things.