Wilder only really knocks out non contenders easily most contenders or opponents with belts like Fury or Ortiz he takes a while to knock them out or he can’t KO them at all ?
yet he couldnt hurt 147 pound non boxer charlie zelenoff
Charlie Zelenoff is around 500-0, and Kim Kardashian was his very real ex-girlfriend. Nash out - His Most Majestic Majesty
and thats based on what? the eye test. the eye test against who? cans. pretty surprising that even after knowing their marketing strategy of matching him soft in order to get kos and with the hindsight that his power didnt translate against the best people still make claims like this. i guess its very hard to change someones mind after they get an impression of who a fighter is, even when the evidence is insurmountable. i suppose i should give them props for knowing how to trick people, a certain mango mussolini did the same and even though they fail over and over it does not matter. wilder not being able to ko good opponents does not matter, all those bum kos remain in the forefront of their minds
And btw not being able to ko your best opponents doesnt mean you're not a hard hitter. Or losses. That's why it's not counted in your ko %.
Foreman is known as the hardest hitter ever and failed to ko Ali, Young and Holyfield his best opponents.
and thats based on what? the eye test. the eye test against who? cans. pretty surprising that even after knowing their marketing strategy of matching him soft in order to get kos and with the hindsight that his power didnt translate against the best people still make claims like this. i guess its very hard to change someones mind after they get an impression of who a fighter is, even when the evidence is insurmountable. i suppose i should give them props for knowing how to trick people, a certain mango mussolini did the same and even though they fail over and over it does not matter. wilder not being able to ko good opponents does not matter, all those bum kos remain in the forefront of their minds
Have you ever not disliked any boxer, ever?
Yes with the overhand right. Doesn't have the same power with a left hook or an uppercut, but have him load up on the right hand and throw it with conviction it's hard to find a harder punch in boxing.
And just FYI, not liking the guy personally has no bearing on his punching power. This always has to be pointed out to boxing fans no matter what the subject matter is.
and thats based on what? the eye test. the eye test against who? cans. pretty surprising that even after knowing their marketing strategy of matching him soft in order to get kos and with the hindsight that his power didnt translate against the best people still make claims like this. i guess its very hard to change someones mind after they get an impression of who a fighter is, even when the evidence is insurmountable. i suppose i should give them props for knowing how to trick people, a certain mango mussolini did the same and even though they fail over and over it does not matter. wilder not being able to ko good opponents does not matter, all those bum kos remain in the forefront of their minds
You sure about that, look at Helenius ko, been others like that where he has ko'd the opponent with a short quick up close with not much space
I said skilled guys. Parker, Zhang, Fury. Helenius is Wilder`s sparring partner.
You sure about that, look at Helenius ko, been others like that where he has ko'd the opponent with a short quick up close with not much space
or the malik scott fight. devastating
Yes with the overhand right. Doesn't have the same power with a left hook or an uppercut, but have him load up on the right hand and throw it with conviction it's hard to find a harder punch in boxing.
And just FYI, not liking the guy personally has no bearing on his punching power. This always has to be pointed out to boxing fans no matter what the subject matter is.
I guess he hits pretty hard, but he needs all the space in the world to throw the right hand. He was useless against skilled fighters that managed to close the distance.
You sure about that, look at Helenius ko, been others like that where he has ko'd the opponent with a short quick up close with not much space
I guess he hits pretty hard, but he needs all the space in the world to throw the right hand. He was useless against skilled fighters that managed to close the distance.
Using the Nash machine, which is an all-in-one boxing dream machine, Nash lined up to take a punch from all the great punchers in history and current, in their primes. The only man that could even budge the Great Nash was Deontay Wilder's massive right hand. This confirms officially that Wilder is the hardest puncher of all time. Case closed. Nash out - His Most Majestic Majesty
yet he couldnt hurt 147 pound non boxer charlie zelenoff
Using the Nash machine, which is an all-in-one boxing dream machine, Nash lined up to take a punch from all the great punchers in history and current, in their primes. The only man that could even budge the Great Nash was Deontay Wilder's massive right hand. This confirms officially that Wilder is the hardest puncher of all time. Case closed. Nash out - His Most Majestic Majesty
More silliness. The building of your theory based on ignoring all the facts, inventing new ones and on shameless criticism... Pretty sure that is driven by something that's not good; and it's probably racism. Fortunately, we have experts on the subject of boxing who post here, able to objectively, analytically asses the relative merits of a fighter's career; who can run interference on people's racism.
Wilder, because of his amazing power and how he was able to put it to work in defending successful against so many WBC top 10 contenders; is a hall of fame bound fighter; the highest honor obtainable in combat sports.
Even if he is an outspoken black American.
you are the one ignoring facts and race baiting. fact is wilder only beat 2 top 10 ring ranked opponents. ring rankings hold much more credibility, expertise, consensus, then you, you are just 1 guy on a site who is clearly biased based on the hyperbolic screeds you write. maybe some of them are biased as well, sure, but thats why you have a ton of people all getting together to reach a consensus, and when they do they find wilders opponents were crap, which they were. the crazy fanboys like you are cancelled out due to the size of the pool.
you are the one who is not objectively analyzing his career based on the merits. you are the one making up silly criteria like beating wbc top 10 contenders as if thats some indication of the quality of a fighter? you know who was in their top 10? eric molina? gerald washington? spilzka? arreola? duhapas? etc...all top 10...so that destroys their credibility on which you are relying. those guys were all with the pbc so you ignoring that fact is strange. its pretty clear when you zoom out pbc and wbc were in cahoots to give wilder easy opponents. you can look at how they ducked whyte and installed breazele as mandatory to confirm that. they wanted no part of guys outside pbc except stirverne who was shot to pieces and owed a rematch. thats the only guy they fought until fury that was outside pbc, and when wilder went outside pbc he was destroyed over and over. pretty clear what was going on to anyone not a complete fanboy. they were protecting a very vulnerable fighter who simply could not compete with the top of the division.
so hes the hardest puncher despite all the evidence proving otherwise because you say so? this is why we use stats, so we dont have to rely on your subjectivity. i dont know how you could say my argument is racist or anti-american since i didnt mention either of those things? guess that would just be a distraction tactic since the stats i listed completely destroy your argument about him being some huge puncher but your hyperbole is making me laugh so thank you
More silliness. The building of your theory based on ignoring all the facts, inventing new ones and on shameless criticism... Pretty sure that is driven by something that's not good; and it's probably racism. Fortunately, we have experts on the subject of boxing who post here, able to objectively, analytically asses the relative merits of a fighter's career; who can run interference on people's racism.
Wilder, because of his amazing power and how he was able to put it to work in defending successful against so many WBC top 10 contenders; is a hall of fame bound fighter; the highest honor obtainable in combat sports.
Even if he is an outspoken black American.
so hes the hardest puncher despite all the evidence proving otherwise because you say so? this is why we use stats, so we dont have to rely on your subjectivity. i dont know how you could say my argument is racist or anti-american since i didnt mention either of those things? guess that would just be a distraction tactic since the stats i listed completely destroy your argument about him being some huge puncher but your hyperbole is making me laugh so thank you
- - For the longest time Deyonce's Olympic Bronze was the only thing American Heavies had going, so of course they had to bring him along like he was Bambi or Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farms thanks to his Uncle Haymon...
A racist or anti-American viewpoint as always.
But if you'd seen him live and watched him train, as I have; and seen the majority of other top Heavyweights who've earned the spot during the last half century, as I have; you'd have quite an awakening.
Yes indeed. Wilder was this generations top puncher among all combat sports, all weight classes.
One of the dozen or so hardest hitting humans to ever live. No question about it.
so hes the hardest puncher despite all the evidence proving otherwise because you say so? this is why we use stats, so we dont have to rely on your subjectivity. i dont know how you could say my argument is racist or anti-american since i didnt mention either of those things? guess that would just be a distraction tactic since the stats i listed completely destroy your argument about him being some huge puncher but your hyperbole is making me laugh so thank you
too bad wilders record confirms he doesnt. doesnt matter what fury says. its called saving face after getting dropped by a non skilled fighter. ngannou dropped fury. usyk had him completely gone as well. is usyk a hard hitter? are steven cunningham and more etc...no of course not. fury just gets dropped a lot which is why you have to actually use a big sample size and look at wilders record and it shows his power was massively overrated and largely dissapeared against the best opponents he fought which is why he only has 2 ko's against 8 top 10 ring ranked opponents and those 2 kos came against the same guy. just not impressive at all and utterly laughable to say hes up there with the biggest punchers ever when his ko ratio is worse than almost all of the best heavyweights in history and those guys fought competition which was much better than wilder and yet they still have better ko ratios
A racist or anti-American viewpoint as always.
But if you'd seen him live and watched him train, as I have; and seen the majority of other top Heavyweights who've earned the spot during the last half century, as I have; you'd have quite an awakening.
Yes indeed. Wilder was this generations top puncher among all combat sports, all weight classes.
One of the dozen or so hardest hitting humans to ever live. No question about it.
hes a savage did u miss what he did to that mascot guy devastating
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Damn! I take back what I just said. Nobody, not even Foreman or Shavers, ever destroyed a mascot with one punch like that!
He hits hard enough to KO anybody with the right hand, if he has the space and time to set it up. But you could say the same thing about many other HWs, eg, Chisora, and nobody ever called Del Boy the hardest puncher of all time. Wilder's power was/is real, but over-rated due to the sheer number of C/D level guys he iced throughout his title reign.
One way to measure a boxer's power is to check how it measures against guys with renowned chins; guys who can take a punch and don't go down too much or at all.
Another way is to see how other fighters deal with the same fighters.
Szpilka, a very limited fighter, not know for his chin, went down against Wilder in devastating fashion in the 9th after taking a few CLEAN yet ineffective shots in the earlier rounds.
The same Szpilka got knocked out in the 2nd round against Chisora of all people in yet another frightening fashion. I can go on and on about other opponents. Don't tell me his chin (which he doesn't have, to begin with) cracked after the earlier fight; it doesn't work like that in every single case, and that would be speculative, at best.
Bottom line is, if Wilder had knocked out/down Parker and Zhang (both guys have proven chins) in a similar fashion to how he did those 30+ guys, then his power wouldn't have been questioned. But then, his defenders will say he was shot (yet another convenient alibi), which is, again, speculative at best. Some would say, he didn't connect against those guys, which isn't true because he did, not on many occasions, but he did. Remember, he needs just one second, so they say.
By the way, Zhang left no doubt about his own power with the way he knocked out Joyce; that's the way you prove it.
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