Comments Thread For: Robeisy Ramirez wants to end Naoya Inoue's historic run: 'He's too small for 126 pounds, you hit your limits at some point'

I want to be mad at Ramirez, but I'm not. I'm just disappointed is all. At the end of the day, it's his decision, his health, and I *want* to believe the danger was so great that he made the right call, but the use of weird excuses does him no favors. You got popped with a perfect jab. That's what happened. You quit because of it. That's fine. I will 100% forgive you for it. Just own up to it. Just say Espinoza has your number and move on.

I’d like to know how no mas feels this morning about Inoue I bet you it’s a totally different response

Incredible how, after all our opinions and exchanges these days, it all ended with a "No Mas". I really didn't expect Ramirez to quit like that. He was doing good until then, although I feel that Espinoza's pressure would have taken a toll on his resistance in the final third of the fight. Sports are like that, aren’t they? Ultimately they’re very unpredictable. Everything seemed fine until the hand wave. I’m certain something was wrong with Ramirez’s eye, but it’s still a quit job. Boxing a combat sport, a warrior’s sport. Injuries happen. The greats fight through them. Yes, they’re risking serious injury and even death; but that’s the way it is and how it’s been forever. I’d hate to see anyone suffer a permanent injury in a fight, but only those that hazard it get the laurels. Congratulations to Espinoza. I wish him well in his career.

Good point about willpower. I got the same impression. That kind of grit can take you well beyond the limits of your talents. Espinoza’s determination, height and work rate are a tall order (no pun intended). Ramirez has to be supremely conditioned for the sequel, and be mentally ready for a prolonged war. If he does both, I believe his superior talent and power will give him the edge. Incredible how, after all our opinions and exchanges these days, it all ended with a "No Mas". I really didn't expect Ramirez to quit like that. He was doing good until then, although I feel that Espinoza's pressure would have taken a toll on his resistance in the final third of the fight.

Good to hear. Lara’s one of those guys who’s never out of shape. Reminds me of Hagler in that respect. One of the reasons why he’s been able to stay in the game this long. I hope he retires with all his marbles and all his money. From what I’ve seen, he appears to be headed in the right direction. Yes he is, very quite and humble.

Off topic, Lara passed by to where I work, the guy is a gentleman and he keeps himself I'm shape, seems like he can jump in the ring right now without missing a beat. His wife is a nice person too. Good to hear. Lara’s one of those guys who’s never out of shape. Reminds me of Hagler in that respect. One of the reasons why he’s been able to stay in the game this long. I hope he retires with all his marbles and all his money. From what I’ve seen, he appears to be headed in the right direction.

There are points and observations for both men, no doubt. Going in, I don’t think too many people would’ve picked Espinoza — as you said, Robeisy was by far his biggest fight. I’m picking Ramirez by KO, but this fight is impossible to confidently predict. These sorts of match-ups are becoming increasingly rare. I’m just happy to get a dose of good boxing. Off topic, Lara passed by my place I work, the guy is a gentleman and he keeps himself I'm shape, seems like he can jump in the ring right now without missing a beat. His wife is a nice person too.

Something to note, this was Espinoza's first elite fight and he had suffered a foot injury in the second round on his fight against Robeisy Ramirez prior the knockdown of the fifth round. Think he has a better shot of employing a better gameplan now that he has experienced success against Ramirez in the first bout, pressing the action but being more alert with his distance management. He also said he will refrain himself of switching stances, as it didn't have much success against Robeisy, making him have more openings against the natural southpaw.​ Also have to remember that Espinoza caught Ramirez with flash knockdown when he was in a unstable position when Robeisy was trying to finish him in the next round, the ref counted it as a slip but both knew Robeisy had been buzzed by the shot, difficult to say RR would have been able to get a finish against a 6'1 granite chinned opponent trying to survive if there was 10 more seconds. Ramirez also rocked him in the 8th round, but Espinoza still pressed the action. Have to rewatch the fight which was released today. There are points and observations for both men, no doubt. Going in, I don’t think too many people would’ve picked Espinoza — as you said, Robeisy was by far his biggest fight. I’m picking Ramirez by KO, but this fight is impossible to confidently predict. These sorts of match-ups are becoming increasingly rare. I’m just happy to get a dose of good boxing.

Something to note, this was Espinoza's first elite fight and he had suffered a foot injury in the second round on his fight against Robeisy Ramirez prior the knockdown of the fifth round. Think he has a better shot of employing a better gameplan now that he has experienced success against Ramirez in the first bout, pressing the action but being more alert with his distance management. He also said he will refrain himself of switching stances, as it didn't have much success against Robeisy, making him have more openings against the natural southpaw.​ Also have to remember that Espinoza caught Ramirez with flash knockdown when he was in a unstable position when Robeisy was trying to finish him in the next round, the ref counted it as a slip but both knew Robeisy had been buzzed by the shot, difficult to say RR would have been able to get a finish against a 6'1 granite chinned opponent trying to survive if there was 10 more seconds. Ramirez also rocked him in the 8th round, but Espinoza still pressed the action. Have to rewatch the fight which was released today. He went down hard, and went he got up went down face first, lucky he was close to the ropes and could hold onto them, in the middle of the ring he would had fall flat on his face. Again a great fight and we were lucky those if's didn't happen.

Robeisy is a brilliant fighter, no question. My gut feeling is that Espinoza might be a little hungrier, hence my picking him in the rematch. But it's a 50/50 fight, for sure. By the way, I believe that the lone fighter I have really been shìtting on throughout my life of boxing student is Oscar De La Hoya. For the rest, I've always remained a relatively neutral watcher, though I did have some favorites... :rolleyes: —— About Oscar, after he became a promoter is when I realized what an anus he is. I can’t stand him anymore but as a fighter, I can’t shǐt on him or his resume. I just wish Floyd gave him the rematch he was begging for but at 147 so Floyd could have retired his ass.

It was a war of attrition and espinoza won not by much, he even went down hard, everyone knows 10 seconds more in that round and the fight would have been over, didn't happened that way so we got treated to a heck of a fight. And yes, you're right I misread his comment, my apologies to Mr.Boxing fan. Something to note, this was Espinoza's first elite fight and he had suffered a foot injury in the second round on his fight against Robeisy Ramirez prior the knockdown of the fifth round. Think he has a better shot of employing a better gameplan now that he has experienced success against Ramirez in the first bout, pressing the action but being more alert with his distance management. He also said he will refrain himself of switching stances, as it didn't have much success against Robeisy, making him have more openings against the natural southpaw.​ Also have to remember that Espinoza caught Ramirez with flash knockdown when he was in a unstable position when Robeisy was trying to finish him in the next round, the ref counted it as a slip but both knew Robeisy had been buzzed by the shot, difficult to say RR would have been able to get a finish against a 6'1 granite chinned opponent trying to survive if there was 10 more seconds. Ramirez also rocked him in the 8th round, but Espinoza still pressed the action. Have to rewatch the fight which was released today.

I suppose so, by the way think you misread Mr. Boxing fan's comment, he meant Robeisy can't withstand the punching power of Naoya Inoue, not his current opponent who he has a definitive shot of beating like he did in the first bout. I lean towards Espinoza, but it is 50/50 fight where I could be wrong about the outcome. It was a war of attrition and espinoza won not by much, he even went down hard, everyone knows 10 seconds more in that round and the fight would have been over, didn't happened that way so we got treated to a heck of a fight. And yes, you're right I misread his comment, my apologies to Mr.Boxing fan.

No. They don't read the whole article, they can write a book about how good or bad a boxer is, but won't have the patience to read an article to properly comment, and the title is a bait. I suppose so, by the way think you misread Mr. Boxing fan's comment, he meant Robeisy can't withstand the punching power of Naoya Inoue, not his current opponent who he has a definitive shot of beating like he did in the first bout. I lean towards Espinoza, but it is 50/50 fight where I could be wrong about the outcome.

——- I won’t argue with that. I thought you were just shïtting on Robeisy. Robeisy has a tall order ahead of him but he’s got the skills to avenge that loss. That said, I don’t know if he beats Inoue. Robeisy is a brilliant fighter, no question. My gut feeling is that Espinoza might be a little hungrier, hence my picking him in the rematch. But it's a 50/50 fight, for sure. By the way, I believe that the lone fighter I have really been shìtting on throughout my life of boxing student is Oscar De La Hoya. For the rest, I've always remained a relatively neutral watcher, though I did have some favorites... :rolleyes:

Copying and pasting my reply to Garfios, a few posts erlier: My reply to the other poster was just irony, in the sense of "yeah, good talking, nice analysis, but before you speak about fighting Inoue try to avenge the Espinoza defeat first". ——- I won’t argue with that. I thought you were just shïtting on Robeisy. Robeisy has a tall order ahead of him but he’s got the skills to avenge that loss. That said, I don’t know if he beats Inoue.

In boxing one punch can change the universe. The shot that Pantera hit Inoue with is cause for concern. Inoue felt that. Inoue didn't even look buzzed. He got up and won the rest of the round, and then systematically beat down and stopped Nery.

I lean towards Espinoza to win the rematch, performing more tactically with his reach advantage and footwork, make more use of his dimensions, press the action but being more alert and defensively sound, while not working with injured foot midway through the fight after he was caught with a big shot when switching stances, Robeisy also had hit him with a body shot that stunned him and was unable to react in time. But I wonder if some have not read the article, it is Robeisy's personal observation that Naoya Inoue seems physically in the smaller side if he were to compete at 126. Which if being honest, is true whether or not his skills and body frame does translate well moving up. He was already the smaller man at 122 against let's say Fulton, Nery, and TJ. Fighters though he beat them dominantly, they had the reach advantage over him at 122. No. They don't read the whole article, they can write a book about how good or bad a boxer is, but won't have the patience to read an article to properly comment, and the title is a bait.

Well its certainly a fight I'd like to see in the near future, fighting inoue is different now, HOF, mystic, Robeisy would be fighting a fighter determined to leave a legacy, but it would be a good fight. Inoue would break him down to the body, wear him out and knock him out, he has form for rhis tactic lol

———- When else have you heard him “talk a lot”? Copying and pasting my reply to Garfios, a few posts erlier: My reply to the other poster was just irony, in the sense of "yeah, good talking, nice analysis, but before you speak about fighting Inoue try to avenge the Espinoza defeat first".

I lean towards Espinoza to win the rematch, performing more tactically with his reach advantage and footwork, make more use of his dimensions, press the action but being more alert and defensively sound, while not working with injured foot midway through the fight after he was caught with a big shot when switching stances, Robeisy also had hit him with a body shot that stunned him and was unable to react in time. But I wonder if some have not read the article, it is Robeisy's personal observation that Naoya Inoue seems physically in the smaller side if he were to compete at 126. Which if being honest, is true whether or not his skills and body frame does translate well moving up. He was already the smaller man at 122 against let's say Fulton, Nery, and TJ. Fighters though he beat them dominantly, they had the reach advantage over him at 122. “I saw Inoue in person. He's a great fighter and a legend. But my impression is that he is small for 126 pounds, and I'm not even so big for my division. Neither would he. He's kind of small to be moving up, and at some point, you hit your limits. There is only one Manny Pacquiao. No matter how good your boxing is, at some point the weight becomes too much, and the power from the guys in the divisions above you becomes too much. My boxing is strong and I feel that I can end Inoue’s history.”