Povetkin would have ironed Wilder out so bad.

Well he shouldnt had been a drug cheat!

Can't believe you're still going around defending the Bronze Bummer in these threads lol. His downfall has smashedsmashes resume to bits tbh. All he has is Klitschko win now Not defending anyone in particular. I'm in the business of teaching casual fans through fact and reason. People can buy into what I'm teaching or go off on their own. Just like school. Makes no difference.

When was Joshua washed up ? Give me a date bc that’s what someone who hasn’t watched boxing very long would say ? Povetkin was scared to fight Wilder he was front row after the Szpilka fight so I think he wanted an edge ,should he be allowed whatever under legal limit ? Why not ,who would win ? Not sure that’s the thing with Wilder it’s neither here or there . But Wilder is a defending champion, Povetkin won’t show that but ironically Wlad Klitschko was the actual scary puncher who could box and could decide to what type of fight he wanted, unfortunately boxing fans are dumb and will remember Wilder more then Klitschko. Right on. Joshua made a career of running from Wilder. Joshua fought guys like Breazeale, Molina and Ruiz while running from Wilder, somtimes being knocked out while running. Wilder didn't need him, going straight to unify against then unbeaten co-champion Fury in an epic Ali - Frazier type trilogy, while Joshua sat out the unification process. It's pretty apparent that Wilder and Fury ruined each other in their epics; and once Wilder hit his late 30s, Eddie Hearn signed Wilder and literally paid him tens of millions to get him out of Joshua's path, placing the guy inactive 2 years in with tricky runner Parker and effectively unbeaten iron man Zhang. It worked, but smart followers know by the evidence. I bet that Joshua fights Dubois for some paper title. He ain't going near Zhang.

Wilder would have won at the time. He'd have lost a bunch of rounds then he'd get something massive through.

Duhaupas often did that. Highly underrated heavyweight. When he had a good camp, he was very good. See his Frankish vs. Viking showdown with Helenius for reference. Best French heavyweight ever. And let's don't forget; the French have a winning record in battle against the English. Look it up. Is he the best Freshman heavyweight ever? It like judging a bathing suit contest of over 60 year old women. Someone is the " best " Maybe we need more French vs. English boxing. The rivalry in history is there so...

Might have, by the time Wilder fought Ortiz the opposition was at a level that any fight was a toss up. I'd favour the technical fighter so that would be Povetkin.

I favoured Povetkin to beat Wilder back then and I still believe he had the skills, mentality and resilience to do it. If we're talking about Wilder at his best VS Povetkin at his best, I would bet on the Russian winning that fight and possibly by KO. Povetkin was a very good fighter in his prime. Wilder had that bomb but Povetkin had very good power too....combined with skill.

Maria Sharapova was taking that stuff as well apparently. Not a serious PED test failure imo, as it was just banned a short time before.

Sorry, there was no evidence he took it after it was banned. He was still showing trace levels for a while after. The fact a few other tests came up clean don't prove anything except that tests miss these things sometimes. We're seeing it all the time. Ironically if all his other tests showed it, he'd have been considered to be above board and not just by the WBC. cope.

I really doubt Povetkin "didn't take it" when he failed another drug test in his very next fight for a similar drug. Sorry, there was no evidence he took it after it was banned. He was still showing trace levels for a while after. The fact a few other tests came up clean don't prove anything except that tests miss these things sometimes. We're seeing it all the time. Ironically if all his other tests showed it, he'd have been considered to be above board and not just by the WBC.

Surely it's pretty much accepted now that he didn't take it. Generally fighters are getting away with things that just get picked up in tiny levels in one test. Povetkin must be the only fighter in recent years to do the opposite. Wilder's team couldn't wait to get on a flight home. They didn't even wait for the fight to be postponed or cancelled. I really doubt Povetkin "didn't take it" when he failed another drug test in his very next fight for a similar drug.

John or Andy? Both "World Champions". Can't believe you're still going around defending the Bronze Bummer in these threads lol. His downfall has smashed Furys resume to bits tbh. All he has is Klitschko win now

Parker and Ruiz were heavyweight world champions, how can you ever compare Ortiz to them. Ortiz = Whyte yeah that ones about right. John or Andy? Both "World Champions".

Can't agree with Best win. Like Pulev, Povetkin was a Klitschko era leftover, and Wladdy faced him at his best. I like Povetkin, the best Russian Heavyweight ever; but he could be hit and hurt, and in those years, Wilder was very good at doing that. I contend that Ortiz; irrelivently old and fresh to the pros, undefeated, top ranked and streaking; was Wilder's best. I see Ortiz, combining his accomplishments in the Amateurs & pors, being of the same caste as Parker, Ruiz, Whyte, etc. Just me. Parker and Ruiz were heavyweight world champions, how can you ever compare Ortiz to them. Ortiz = Whyte yeah that ones about right.

Can't agree with Best win. Like Pulev, Povetkin was a Klitschko era leftover, and Wladdy faced him at his best. I like Povetkin, the best Russian Heavyweight ever; but he could be hit and hurt, and in those years, Wilder was very good at doing that. I contend that Ortiz; irrelivently old and fresh to the pros, undefeated, top ranked and streaking; was Wilder's best. I see Ortiz, combining his accomplishments in the Amateurs & pors, being of the same caste as Parker, Ruiz, Whyte, etc. Just me. I think it would have been debateable between Povetkin or Ortiz. Personally I think Ortiz would have beaten Povetkin around that time, but Povetkin was more proven.

I'm not gonna say Wilder would have been completely ****ed against Povetkin, but it would have been one of his riskiest fights. And IF he had won, it would arguably have been his best career win. Can't agree with Best win. Like Pulev, Povetkin was a Klitschko era leftover, and Wladdy faced him at his best. I like Povetkin, the best Russian Heavyweight ever; but he could be hit and hurt, and in those years, Wilder was very good at doing that. I contend that Ortiz; irrelivently old and fresh to the pros, undefeated, top ranked and streaking; was Wilder's best. I see Ortiz, combining his accomplishments in the Amateurs & pors, being of the same caste as Parker, Ruiz, Whyte, etc. Just me.

I'm not gonna say Wilder would have been completely fucked against Povetkin, but it would have been one of his riskiest fights. And IF he had won, it would arguably have been his best career win.

You can say all you want now in hindsight, but back in Wilder's "prime", he was super dangerous. Let's just say he had a confidence that is completely out the window now and that makes all the difference. Back then, he threw his right with conviction and he had a dangerous demeaner in how he could end a fight at any moment without ever losing confidence that the right hand wouldn't land. Looking now, at this version of Wilder, of course it's easy to say this and that, but you have to put yourself back in time to understand the mentality fighters had facing Wilder back then. Up until Fury losses, nobody had the balls to really challenge Wilder or they fought with crazy hesitation knowing 1 mistake could cost them. If there's one thing I can't stand, is saying this and that about fighters based on their last performance which equals nothing of them in their prime. Though I guess, that's the old saying right? You're only as good as your last fight.

While roided to the gills, probably.

Povetkin cheated for a reason. He knew he couldn't win without it, and he rather get suspended than knocked out. Surely it's pretty much accepted now that he didn't take it. Generally fighters are getting away with things that just get picked up in tiny levels in one test. Povetkin must be the only fighter in recent years to do the opposite. Wilder's team couldn't wait to get on a flight home. They didn't even wait for the fight to be postponed or cancelled.