Compare Usyk against Joshua (the first fight) and against Fury. Who did better?

I think there's good arguments either way. They both had credible performances in different ways. Joshua never really looked like he was totally out of the fight and at risk of getting stopped. I felt he lost several rounds in a competitive fight. He looked like he could mostly hang at that level but was just a bit outclassed. Ultimately it seems like Joshua can compete but will lose most of the time. Fury was definitely getting outclassed, but made an excellent adjustment in the 4th round and looked like he had taken over the fight, and there's not many people who have had rounds like 4-7 vs Usyk. But then Usyk made a counter adjustment, and could have gotten a stoppage from a different ref. I felt that the rounds won by each fighter were much more clear with Fury vs Usyk either way. The rounds Fury won were very clear, and so were most of the rounds that Usyk won. Based on the strength of rounds, it seems at least possible for Fury to win, but if he's going to lose, he's going to lose pretty clearly with very little controversy. I'm not sure which form of losing is preferable, because at the end of the day, it is still an L.

Usyk looked like ha was losing the fight between 4th and 7th round. he never looked like this in Joshua fights IMO.

On points Fury was closer. Though I still think the judges fell for Fury's antics in some of those early rounds. 2 judges gave him the 2nd round which is insane when you watch it back. Points don't always tell the story though. You could get battered for 7 rounds and get a closer decision then someone who falls a punch or two short 12 times. They were both great fights. Joshua v Usyk has been rewritten in history as a Usyk walkover. It wasn't; it was an exceptional fight between two very high standard fighters. After 8, all three judges had it within a point (one for Usyk, one for AJ, one draw). Then Usyk took things up a couple of gears, just as he did against Fury. I agree Fury looked better in that 6th round than Joshua ever did in the first fight. But that's all it was - one round. Other than that the early rounds were all competitive until Usyk started damaging Fury in the 8th. Fury also looked worse in that 9th than AJ ever did. No heavyweight has ever been hurt by Usyk like Fury was. And it wasn't just one punch - it was the fact that Usyk was starting to find left hands so comfortably that he was confident in getting close and committing to his shots in a way he could never risk against Joshua. All in all, who cares? They were both great fights between best currently doing it. One had higher highs and lower lows, but both were high standard until the better man took the level too high for his opponent.

My impression, is that we can provide our opinions, which are typically a cocktail of having watched the fights and choosing the fighter we already prefer as having the better performance. Or....We can look at the numbers provided by the judges assigned to the fights: Usyk- Joshua I. 09-25-21 Viktor Fesechko 117-112 Howard Foster 115-113 Steve Weisfeld 116-112 Margin: 11 points Usyk - Fury I. 05-18-24 Mike Fitzgerald 114-113 Craig Metcalfe 113-114 Manuel Oliver Palomo 115-112 Margin: 3 points I am satisfied with this method, as it avoids fan opinion. ​

If you want me to get serious about it I'll rewatch the fight, but from memory it's Joshua. I think it's interesting and answers reflect two or three biases at once. First there is always the names bias. Fanboys will never admit another is better than theirs in anyway unless forced to by losing h2h. There is also the style bias. Most become fanboys because they see a fighter as embodying the style they think is best. But here we have a third player. Joshua-Usyk was close from bell to bell. Fury-Usyk was close from round to round. Which reveals more about the answerer than the fight. So, in full honesty: As men I don't like either very much. Joshua's too serious and emotional. Fury is two-faced. As a fanboy, um, Wilder, so doesn't apply but since Fury beat Wilder's ass and Joshua hasn't maybe I've a little anti Fury transitive bias, but then again it'd make sense for me to want to keep Fury as elevated as possible to excuse Deontay's bull. TBH, I don't even know, but I think I am neutral there. I am definitely bias in favor of punchers. Tell me all you like about boxing being about not getting hit and hitting the other guy. KOs end fights son. And I seem to favor attrition over deception, it's a bias I recognize often in hindsight. I'm very impressed and thrilled when watching a Mayweather or Ward, but what really gets me and stays with me a while is watching dudes walk through bombs like they're not bombs at all. It's ****** AF, but damn impressive. That said, my biases have lead me to believe Joshua did a better job against Usyk. Fury held more control but also lost more control. Joshua got hit more, was there the whole time, and didn't ever put Usyk in serious trouble but he was never in any either. :lol1: Not like Fury anyway. I've been very impressed with Joshua lately. He's really picked up his fluidity, posture, and positioning since he lost to Usyk. Maybe it's just juxtaposition with the caliber of opposition since then, but IMO, Joshua's knocking on the door for number three and I'd watch that ****. Especially if he entertains a Parker, Wilder, Zhang, or Hrgovic fight. Gimme dat, and I'm full on an AJ fanboy these days. Still a Wilder fanboy doe. Don't get it twisted, Wilder's my dude until the end of his career. **** y'all. I don't think there is a such thing as people who are not Usyk fans. Super likeable guy. I wish the best for him and you could say I'm an Usyk fanboy too but it's kind of hard to claim that when everyone loves the dude. My appreciation for champ is not exceptional in any way otherwise i'd claim him. Parker's been kicking some ass too, but I is Wilder fanboy ... so I am compelled to say these things aren't I? Usyk Joshua Fury Parker Wilder Basically just all juxtaposed off Usyk vs my own biases. Usyk beat Joshua and Fury. I feel Joshua did better for the biases explained above. Fury has Wlad and Wilder when Wilder believed in himself. Parker didn't do bad against Joshua, did beat a Joshua beater Ruiz, and snapped a W over Wilder. Wilder's my dude from the south representing southern strength. We is legend you bitches. Big homie will remember where his power really come from and one day you will again see the shining radiance of the bronze bomb. Hrgovic, Zhang. Joyce, DDD, Kabayel, all great new fighters really but it's like they just want to circlejerk amongst themselves and only dip into the top names when one of those guys is looking for an easy one. Nice Marg! You roc!

Based on Uysk reactions in both fights, I honestly think Fury was hurting him more with the uppercuts. Fury, minus the 9th rd was neck and neck with Usyk which is further confirmed by the scorecards. Joshua on the other hand, from what I can recall was mostly dominated by Usyk from beginning to end. Until Usyk changed the fight against Fury, most people thought Fury had figured him out and was on his way to running away with the fight. That to me is not officially a dominant performance. It was literally the left hand that Usyk got in that changed history for him. Without that, it would have been a draw. Oh and this is coming from an Usyk fan, though I'm saying it how I saw it. I really hope Usyk can just blast our Fury in the rematch, but I don't think Fury will ever be that easy for Usyk. - - Pray tell us what grade U was in then? First fight AJ had Usyk on the verge of a stoppage until Usyk popped his eye that put him in a great deal of pain and cost him the last 3 rounds he would've won or stopped Usyk. This busted up pizza after the trainers cleaned and sewed him up...yer welcome {"data-align":"center","data-size":"full","title":"usyk-wins.jpg?resize=600%2C400&ssl=1.jpg","data-attachmentid":32282154} Second fight was closer with AJ winning the last round and fight by a point by my tally when he collapsed Usyk with a classic left hook to the liver. To Usyk credit he rode out the last round in a great deal of pain. Watching him blast Blubber around like a punch dummy he is...easy $$$...priceless...:hitit:

Fury looked comfortable for only 3 rounds 5,6,7 . Joshua hurt Usyk more in the second fight as well and kept rounds close in both fights , the only real rounds ppl remember are Usyk battering Fury and getting robbed i because of a stoppage and Joshua’s getting buzzed on the last round and his back on the ropes before the bell rang but he was still throwing punches . No one’s going to really remember the Joshua rounds in two fights there were no actual one sided rounds where anyone was amazed . The Fury fight he was getting clearly outboxed however and only had one moment in rnd 6 he had Usyk resetting from an uppercut but that’s not some legendary stuff either . Joshua did it better and without controversy his fights were actually determined in the last 3 rounds at least in the rematch, everyone knows he had Usyk hurt enough in round 9 before the championship rounds like that never happened ? Lol Furys got another chance though but like I said he can’t win legitimately in a clean boxing fight , if he wins the rematch and fights dirty does that still count as him doing it better ? Lol It should be noted since no one’s mentioned it Fury only 3 punches landed in a row to Usyk was when he had him in a head lock type thing and leaned over and hit him maybe if he did that the entire fight he’d have won because I’m sure he’d have gotten away with it .The only thing making the Fury fight seem closer was going to be the judges , two who were going to rob Usyk anyway if no knockdown occurred . :boxing: I do think in the Joshua fight a lot of actual rounds were close. The ebb and flow was different. They were competitive rounds and Joshua did better the second fight. Sometimes in a fight the scoring is close but one fighter obviously dominated. Other times, the fight was actually close. I am on the fence on this one regarding the Joshua Usyk first fight lol. However I definitely think in the second fight the fight was legitimately close. I thought Joshua was more consistent whereas Fury really came on and you could see USYK was affected, and obviously when USYK came on Fury was affected. So it'll be interesting to see how the second fight plays out regarding Fury using questionable tactics lol. J you may well have an "I tole ya so" moment if Fury resorts 2 dirty tactics. I would not put it past him. I don't think it will be effective. I tend to think USYK is fighting strong. He's just very strong in the ring physically, Even though he's smaller.

Id say on the whole fury, but more of a rollercoaster with fury just like his bipolar. I thought fury was on his way to victory by the 7th found. Some thought fury deserved a draw. Although I think fury lost, I think rematch is warranted not only because close but a good fight too

Joshua Fury was KOed. Beaten pillar to post. Looked like dr eggman on stilts. Absolutely embarrassed The question was who did better. And despite Fury getting smashed up for 10 seconds in the 9th round Fury troubled Usyk more than AJ did. There were moments of the fight were Fury looked comfortable and like he COULD win. AJ never had such moments. Fury must have screwed your girl or something because every post I've seen from you seems like you're in your feelings about him lol. And I say that as a Usyk fan.

Joshua Fury was KOed. Beaten pillar to post. Looked like dr eggman on stilts. Absolutely embarrassed that was one round lol

Fury had some success but he adapted badly to Usyk from the very first round he did not like the pace, did not give the first rounds away on purpose but he couldn't afford to spend that much energy already early on. He knows his gas tank and his body. Certainly wasn't 'The Riddler' from the Wlad fight. Showed only glimpses of what he could do back in the day. The Riddler under Peter Fury would have UD12'd Usyk without any problems, could sustain that mid round offensive for more than 6 rounds.

The what if cope. Lmfao The gypsy was beaten like he stole something from one side of the street to the other. It looked like a hate crime of passion ? I am not taking a pov I am asking you a simple question. You feel that Usyk was really successful that round, most would agree, but if Fury had taken a knee initially, the beating would not have happened. I am asking you if dropping Fury this way would have equally impressed you. Some would feel that this was still a 10-8 round and won the fight for Usyk ( I would agree with that). Fury could have taken a knee. It would still be a 10-8 round. But when he tried to stay up, he not only looked like an egg on stilts, but the ref could have stopped the fight! It was, on the whole, not a smart thing to do. Some people might say, if Fury had been smart, took the knee, it ould not have been such a big deal, kind of like Cunningham dropping him.

Looked like dr eggman on stilts. This is excellent

Based on Uysk reactions in both fights, I honestly think Fury was hurting him more with the uppercuts. Fury, minus the 9th rd was neck and neck with Usyk which is further confirmed by the scorecards. Joshua on the other hand, from what I can recall was mostly dominated by Usyk from beginning to end. Until Usyk changed the fight against Fury, most people thought Fury had figured him out and was on his way to running away with the fight. That to me is not officially a dominant performance. It was literally the left hand that Usyk got in that changed history for him. Without that, it would have been a draw. Oh and this is coming from an Usyk fan, though I'm saying it how I saw it. I really hope Usyk can just blast our Fury in the rematch, but I don't think Fury will ever be that easy for Usyk.

So you think that one event more or less determined the fight? What if Fury had taken a knee initially before he looked like a big baby being beaten around the ring in a diaper? Would it have been any less important to you? The what if cope. Lmfao The gypsy was beaten like he stole something from one side of the street to the other. It looked like a hate crime of passion

Joshua Fury was KOed. Beaten pillar to post. Looked like dr eggman on stilts. Absolutely embarrassed So you think that one event more or less determined the fight? What if Fury had taken a knee initially before he looked like a big baby being beaten around the ring in a diaper? Would it have been any less important to you?

Joshua Fury was KOed. Beaten pillar to post. Looked like dr eggman on stilts. Absolutely embarrassed