So who is PFP Number 1

The whole debate of who is P4P No. 1 doesn't affect the hard truth that regardless of the order, the top three won't change until one of them loses or retires. But I'm going to continue to ***** about the guy who is a former one division unified champion who is currently beltless, got brutally KOed in his last match, haven't won a match in 2 years, and has absolutely nothing scheduled in the next few month? I think his lack of activity is truly ****ty too but given that Estrada is currently off the superfly rankings due to lack of activity for 1.5 years, Spence needs to be off the list until he returns from his vacation. I agree, what in the mofo world is Spence doing on any p4P list? Inactive, winless, deteriorating and damaged. It’s a bit sorry.

Spence had good wins after the crash. He was the favorite to win. . bud was the fav in the spence fight

The whole debate of who is P4P No. 1 doesn't affect the hard truth that regardless of the order, the top three won't change until one of them loses or retires. But I'm going to continue to bitch about the guy who is a former one division unified champion who is currently beltless, got brutally KOed in his last match, haven't won a match in 2 years, and has absolutely nothing scheduled in the next few month? I think his lack of activity is truly sh!tty too but given that Estrada is currently off the superfly rankings due to lack of activity for 1.5 years, Spence needs to be off the list until he returns from his vacation.

Usyk for the simple reason that the Heavyweight division is the 'glamour division' of boxing where one punch can literally change a fight and potentially somebody's life. Also, he's conquered this division by constantly fighting on FOREIGN soil unlike Crawford + Inoue which is much more difficult to do (think Soccer, Basketball etc).

Off course its easy to say, but that's what I think would happen its just a straight out eye test, there is no right or wrong we just think different on this and your opinion is as valid as mine.. That's all good, but it allows one fighter to be more lazy and not do as much as the other. Inoue could win titles in another 2 weight classes, up to featherweight and beyond, and you could still theoretically say you think bud wins h2h, so then there comes a point when people think your looking at things through rose tinted glasses and reaching for someone. Fury could live off his win over wlad, and claim he beats Ali on basis of that win over wlad. Since Nelo lost to bivo l and number 1 pf p was up for grabs, Inoue has won 5 times.

I think it's easy to say you think someone can best someone.But what have you done for me lately is why inoue is no1. Usyk was favourite against fury, for a eason, as he wasn't good in last fight, and is clumsy. Off course its easy to say, but that's what I think would happen its just a straight out eye test, there is no right or wrong we just think different on this and your opinion is as valid as mine..

That made no sense to me as each division has its own set of obstacles, opportunity and classes of opponents, nothing is equal so how can the trophy define the win, which is the angle your coming from. I think as boxers Bud has more to his game and would beat Inoue if they were in the same division, Im looking at the fighters not their achievements, but I wouldnt be surprised if Inoue won, there is not a lot between greats just milliseconds, I just think Bud is a bit better in the silk department. I think it's easy to say you think someone can best someone.But what have you done for me lately is why inoue is no1. Usyk was favourite against fury, for a eason, as he wasn't good in last fight, and is clumsy.

Well Usyk is definately above Crawford because he is fighting much larger guys. Crawford has fully grown into welterweight, those guys are his size. Spence is basically his size. Usyk is beating guys with 20-40 pounds on him. I think he is above Inoue as well. I think the talent pool is lower in the very low divisions and also the divisions are only 3 pounds apart at times so its easy for them to run through multiple divisions down there. Usyk's footwork, workrate and stamina are insane for a modern heavyweight. Can I say the same for Crawford and Inoue? I can say those two are good but I cant say that they are some of the very best of the last 20 years like I can say with Usyk.

Depends what you like honestly, Inoue has been washing all bigger challengers for a while now, definitely the best to watch imo. I think Crawfish is still the most well rounded and skilled out of the lot but his lack of activity hurts him and Usyk has convincing beat his top rivals in Joshua and Fury who outweigh him by 40 pounds. All are the real deal. We are lucky to see them.

Being P4P , has to include activity. When you have three talented kings like the three mentioned, the one with most activity will be rated higher. So Crawford has to be 3. Crawford has been about the same as Usyk as far as activity. It's just Inoue that has been active. Crawford: 1 fight scheduled in 2024 (so far, possibly fighting again in December) 1 fight in 2023 1 fight in 2022 1 fight in 2021 1 fight in 2020 2 fights in 2019 2 fights in 2018 Usyk: 1 fight in 2024 (so far, supposed to fight Fury again later this year) 1 fight in 2023 1 fight in 2022 1 fight in 2021 1 fight in 2020 1 fight in 2019 3 fights in 2018 Inoue: 1 fight in 2024 (so far, supposed to fight in August and December if all goes well) 2 fights in 2023 2 fights in 2022 2 fights in 2021 1 fight in 2020 2 fights in 2019 2 fights in 2018

I have to say Usyk after what he did. It was a monumental task, to beat a guy with such a huge height, reach and weight advantage. A guy known for using his size to bully you and get away with rough tactics, but also very fast, skilled and light on his feet. You can't go wrong with any of those 3 though. Bud, Usyk, Inoue all doing amazing things right now and I'm just happy we're getting the fights we deserve as fans. They all keep raising the bar. Inoue raised it with his performance against Fulton, Bud raised it with his performance against Spence, and Usyk raised it this weekend. I can't wait to see who dares to be even greater.

What makes you think bud beats inoue when it takes him 5 years to show he's no1 in his 3rd division.? That made no sense to me as each division has its own set of obstacles, opportunity and classes of opponents, nothing is equal so how can the trophy define the win, which is the angle your coming from. I think as boxers Bud has more to his game and would beat Inoue if they were in the same division, Im looking at the fighters not their achievements, but I wouldnt be surprised if Inoue won, there is not a lot between greats just milliseconds, I just think Bud is a bit better in the silk department.

Being P4P , has to include activity. When you have three talented kings like the three mentioned, the one with most activity will be rated higher. So Crawford has to be 3.

thats a bit odd before the car crash guy buds resume was often the butt of jokes Can’t blame the car crash, Spence had good wins after the crash. He was the favorite to win. Crawford soundly defeated Spence and Porter, two of the top dogs at 147. Danny ducked him. Charlo is ducking him at 154.

these comparisons between fighters of vastly different sizes defy logic, imo. Usyk is twice Inoue's size, they can't move the same. I mean, if Simone Biles were suddenly the size of Serena Williams, she'd break both her legs and probably her back performing her normal routine. {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tbda1ec053cd151ec678885179fa6812e.gif Views:\t0 Size:\t4.65 MB ID:\t32272979","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"32272979","data-size":"full","title":"bda1ec053cd151ec678885179fa6812e.gif"} Physics is a MF'er Thats why P4P is a myth, its really just a fan argument singing the praise of their favorite guy nothing more, when it started I think maybe with Benny Leonard and Ray Robinson it was all about being the worlds best fighter metaphorically regardless of weight, Im old school over 3 times the age of most in here and for me personally I look at the art of boxing and level of opponents, the skillset, power to weight ratio and the mental state of a fighter when fighting far outweighs trophies and titles, Im not a fan I follow the sport and have always looked at fighters like a trainer looks at racehorses which is observation of small details needed to win and win in what class, the more you get into something the more faults you see and more you come to understand the mechanics and temperament of greatness, fans dont get into things in a deep way, they like saber shaking and gossip they like to argue their Tonka truck is the best ever, well if they ever entered into real competition in any walk of life they soon gather a lot of respect for the other guys truck. With one on one fighting what else can pound for pound mean other than the imaginary fight between two guys if they weighed the same, literary the words in a nutshell, in that context I cant think of a HW that could match the ability of the lighter weight greats, and there are many reasons for that starting with the developing body and how it tunes itself through the growth stages, just as there are many reasons girls cant fight like boys and maybe it starts with boys throwing stones, but all the little details is what makes up the final package, if you cant see those details then how can you claim greatness.

Crawford both in terms of resume and overall skill. thats a bit odd before the car crash guy buds resume was often the butt of jokes

Also going to mention that the whole reason P4P exists is to put a little more respect on the lower weight divisions. Everyone knows that if Usyk fought Bud or Inoue that it would be a massacre. The point is to credit skills outside of being in the heavyweight division. That's part of why I have a hard time putting Usyk on top. YMMV, but that particular fact hasn't been mentioned yet.

Crawford both in terms of resume and overall skill.

the thing about p4p is that the guy whos recently had a good win gets a bump in ratings if bud takes care of madrimov in good style he will get a bump again etc That is true. That’s why activity matters. And Bud hasnt fought in over a year.

the thing about p4p is that the guy whos recently had a good win gets a bump in ratings if bud takes care of madrimov in good style he will get a bump again etc