Ryan cheated by not making weight, but Devin cheated inside the ring. So he deserved to lose.

It was weird seeing Dock not even warn Haney once in the 12 rounds about his excessive holding. I thought when I saw Dock first rip Haney off of Garcia, he was going to immediately tell Haney not to do that. But no, just break, and fight. He did that a couple times, had to rip a badly hurt Haney off of Garcia. And not say anything. Crazy. And he was warning Garcia for all sorts of things. Like damn dude, at least be a little subtle about who you’re rooting for.

Not making the weight, is not allowed. That is why the fight, went from being a Championship fight 'To just a fight'. I literally wrote the same thing but you can argue with yourself if you like it better.

Ehh, he's the same, awkward fighter. Only thing I can say is that 3.8 weight advantage made the difference and the Haney's messed up agreeing to fight that catchweight. And it was an ugly fight, both guys were clinching, and the referee did a s h i t t y job.

Not making the weight is not considered cheating, it is allowed, it was official and he lost money and the chance to win the title. But it is an unfair advantage. Haney clinched a lot, Ryan did a lot of holding and punching and turning his back when in defence mode. The fight was dirty in many aspects on both sides. Not making the weight, is not allowed. That is why the fight, went from being a Championship fight 'To just a fight'. The facts are? That if people are really honest, this fight between Ryan Garcia vs Devin Haney was not a equal fight 'Both fighters were training, and competing under different conditions'. Ryan Garcia won the fight, great performance for him 'But Garcia did not beat Haney under Championship conditions. Ryan Garcia is not a World Champion'. Note: Devin Haney was the only fighter of the two, to train and fight under Championship conditions. If Garcia was negatively effected by the catch weight of 136 pounds, and the rehydration clause vs Tank Davis, then he would been positively effected by not making the weight limit of 140 pounds vs Devin Haney. Garcia would of been a stronger fighter, by not weight draining himself to the extent that would of been required for him to make the 140 pound weight limit 'This is elite level boxing, and those factors make a difference to performances'. In reality both fighters are well known for their weight draining tactics, so really? For me this is just another fight were one fighter i.e Ryan Garcia potentially made a conscious decision not to make the weight. This is why the Heavyweight Division is the Ultimate boxing Division in terms of raw competition. There are no weight limits, no catch weights or rehydration clauses 'They are just two fighters competing and preparing optimally, with the intention of winning at a Championship level'. There definitively needs to be a rematch between Ryan Garcia and Devin Haney, and this time 'It has to be a equal contest. On the weekend, anyone who understands boxing knows? That the fight was not a equal contest, Garcia did not make the weight'. The top boxers trainers, and coaches in the game 'Know that Garcia vs Haney was not a equal fight. The two fighters trained and competed under different conditions, those factors for sure definitively had a effect on each fighters performance'. I am content that Garcia won the fight, because he has been making fights that he could of avoided 'But I will not overlook the fact, that he did not make the 140 weight limit during a Championship fight' etc.

My take on the weight: It wasn't the agreed weight so Ryan deserved his financial penalty, he would have deserved it if Haney told him to take a walk, fight's off. He also doesn't get the belts, obviously fair. However, we know Haney can make 140 and be strong, he looked great in the Prograis fight. We also know Haney rehydrates a lot and is one of the bigger guys in the division. We also know that Garcia would have been strong because he didn't drain himself. So what we had is two similarly sized guys in good condition. Based on that, I personally don't think the outcome would have been any different if the fight had originally been contracted at 143 or 147 etc and both had made weight.

Ryan didn't cheat not making weight, he just forfeit the chance to win the belt. I suppose the win meant more to him than the belt. I mean, his stock has only gone up since this so he was probably right in that regard. That said, Haney got a taste of his own medicine. He's been a frequent weight bully so it was nice to see how he handles someone doing that to him. Glad to report, the bully couldn't take it.

Iron Dan is a big fan of clinching Haney I’m actually not a fan of Haney at all. Quite the opposite. You’re an extremely weird guy.

Also, interesting to note that Haney received a similar beatdown as Spence did against Crawford with a similar number of knockdowns. Only difference being Derrick James WASN’T on the receiving end this time. Also, after the fight he said that it would’ve been better for Haney’s career to be KO’d early than suffer a sustained beating which he’ll struggle to recover from. Therefore, he probably told Spence the SAME thing which is why they’ve parted ways.

Taking a point away from Ryan for hitting after the referee separated them but NOT taking one away from Devin for excessive clinching was disgraceful. If not for this, Ryan wouldn’t probably stopped him in round 7 and saved Haney’s career in the long run.

Not making the weight is not considered cheating, it is allowed, it was official and he lost money and the chance to win the title. But it is an unfair advantage. Haney clinched a lot, Ryan did a lot of holding and punching and turning his back when in defence mode. The fight was dirty in many aspects on both sides.

yeah floyd and wlad did a lot of clinch and it was not right. They should have been penalized. Well, after re reading I agree with you, yes. It wasn't right. If they didn't clinch, their opponents would have been able to throw more punches at them, who knows how many more losses wlad and floyd would have on resumes?. Other than that, the rounds they clinched a lot, they should have lost the rounds

I think clinching is ok, if you are badly hurt, and need to do it to get through the round.....but of course you lose that round. Sometimes you are so hurt, you dont even know you should be clinching. But the fact you have got it in you to clinch when hurts shows your mind isnt completely gone like Frank Bruno when he was hurt. If haney wants a rematch, he should allow Ryan to be the champ. But Wlad and Floyd used to clinch when not hurt? Thats akin to being scared and hoping opponent dont throw any bad intention punches at you. So if you clinch while not even hurt, you lose round IMO. Do you have a bit of a mess in your head? yeah floyd and wlad did a lot of clinch and it was not right. They should have been penalized. Well, after re reading I agree with you, yes.

I think clinching is ok, if you are badly hurt, and need to do it to get through the round.....but of course you lose that round. Sometimes you are so hurt, you dont even know you should be clinching. But the fact you have got it in you to clinch when hurts shows your mind isnt completely gone like Frank Bruno when he was hurt. If haney wants a rematch, he should allow Ryan to be the champ. But Wlad and Floyd used to clinch when not hurt? Thats akin to being scared and hoping opponent dont throw any bad intention punches at you. So if you clinch while not even hurt, you lose round IMO.

clinching is not legal. it says right in the rules no wrestling and clinching is a big part of what wrestling is. its also why boxers are penalized and even dq'd for doing it. well b-sides i mean. haney had his personal protection ref just like floyd had bayless and he still couldnt save him besides ignoring knockdowns.

Iron Dan is a big fan of clinching Haney