Tim Tszyu vs Sebastian Fundora - Amazon Prime PPV - Fight By Fight Thread

Tszyu probably wouldn't have got cut on top of his head and lost if he had let his hair grow long.

And you were saying he wasn't good. I still think he is not. I think all these guys at 154 are very average, the same level. But this is why they can give us many good fights.

The doctor never felt that Tim couldn't see to the extent that he couldn't defend himself, which I agree with. That's why the fight wasn't stopped. Tim was defending himself throughout all 12 rds. I would ask people to watch the fight again and pay attention to Tim parrying and slipping Fundoras jab. Some got through but it wasn't enough to suggest Tim couldn't see them If Tim couldn't see, the fight would've looked way different and Tim probably would've been stopped I disagree. Watching Tim was seeing three of four punches end with no contact except his forearm coming down on Fundora's trap muscle; in other words, missing. He didn't target body enough, but that's aseparate point. I personally don't think his aim has been that bad in other fights. Likewise, just as a matter of common sense, blood streaming from your head, and in your eyes, for 30 minutes, is going to screw up your vision.

And those right hands from Tszyu would’ve kept hitting the target without all that blood in his eyes. Fundora got busted and bloodied by those punches in just 2 rounds. Yet, he kept coming and won the fight. Nobody asked the aussie to coming head first targeting the abdomen.

Only doctor can stop the fight. If the corner is the one stopping the fight, TKO lost for them. Doctor looked like he wanted to stop the fight right after the cut. But then he asked Tszyu if he wanted to continue. Of course the fighter said yes; doctor shouldve done his job without looking for approval. Othetwise, what's the doc even there for? After that, the cutman screwed up for the next 9 rounds. I hope there's a headline about him being fired, just so I can know it happened. I dont take pleasure in somebodys misfortune, but if you cant do the job, and in this case cost the man his straps, you need to be cut off.

Since the cut came from accidental elbow to the head while compromising his vision in the process; i wonder why did Team Tszyu decided not to stop the fight after three rounds had been completed? Had they done that then Tim would have still retained his titles. His corner failed him big time tonight. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. They thought they would steamroller the burger eating bamboo tree, he wasn't a professional boxer.

Wrong! That is absolutely untrue. Not if the injury was caused by a foul. It's the referee's discretion to determine whether or not a cut was caused by a punch or from an accidental clash of heads or a headbutt. I am certain that,Harvey Dock made Team Tszyu aware of the situation that the cut was not caused by a punch but by an accidental elbow..​ The corner can't stop the fight, they can tell the ref but if the doctor and the ref see the guy fit to continue, it could be a tko.

doctor and ref were clearly on the take from al haymon Have you ever seen a fight from the 70's or 80's, I don't want to go futher back. Check Chacon-Boza Edward-Limon. Pretty sure Haymon wasn't involved.

You are right. Only the doctor can stop a fight. However, it is the responsibility of the referee to notify both the fighter's corner and the doctor to determine whether the injury was caused by a foul or not. Had Team Tszyu notified the doctor that their fighter can no longer see due to the foul. Then the doctor wouldn't have had any other alternative but to stop the fight. Then the fight would have been ruled a no contest after three rounds had been completed or have gone to the scorecards And we has missed a hell of a fight.

Holy sh.it Fundora is the most dangerous guy in the sport. He destroyed Tim by un elbow. That was the real Muai Thai elbow punch. And you were saying he wasn't good.

Props to both Tszyu and Fundora for a great fight both bloody both hit hard and never wilted hope they give is a rematch.

Holy sh.it Fundora is the most dangerous guy in the sport. He destroyed Tim by un elbow. That was the real Muai Thai elbow punch.

doctor and ref were clearly on the take from al haymon

Wrong! That is absolutely untrue. Not if the injury was caused by a foul. It's the referee's discretion to determine whether or not a cut was caused by a punch or from an accidental clash of heads or a headbutt. I am certain that,Harvey Dock made Team Tszyu aware of the situation that the cut was not caused by a punch but by an accidental elbow..​ But it wasn't ruled a foul. It was an accidental clash. Tszyu's team should have absolutely told the referee that he couldn't see. It would be a no contest and they'd go again in 6 months. I can only assume that they still thought he'd win. Credit to Tszyu. He's a proper warrior - I hope the fight increases the number of people who want to watch him. Then it hasn't negatively impacted his career. Credit to Fundora as well, by the way. I'm taking nothing away from him.

The doctor never felt that Tim couldn't see to the extent that he couldn't defend himself, which I agree with. That's why the fight wasn't stopped. Tim was defending himself throughout all 12 rds. I would ask people to watch the fight again and pay attention to Tim parrying and slipping Fundoras jab. Some got through but it wasn't enough to suggest Tim couldn't see them If Tim couldn't see, the fight would've looked way different and Tim probably would've been stopped There's also the business layer of it: Tszyu may be currently associated with PBC, but Fundora is truly the house fighter. This is also the main event of a PPV too, and nobody wants it to go to a technical draw either. So things will just have to resolve themselves in the ring. Let this be a learning lesson for Tszyu that a general training camp is not always enough. Some opponents like Fundora have unique attributes that you need to be fully prepared for. Tszyu believed he was just be able to figure it out in there.

The ref determines the cause, while the doctor determines the severity of the injury...right? So who's ultimately in charge of halting the contest? The ref, doctor or the corner? You are right. Only the doctor can stop a fight. However, it is the responsibility of the referee to notify both the fighter's corner and the doctor to determine whether the injury was caused by a foul or not. Had Team Tszyu notified the doctor that their fighter can no longer see due to the foul. Then the doctor wouldn't have had any other alternative but to stop the fight. Then the fight would have been ruled a no contest after three rounds had been completed or have gone to the scorecards

The boxer is trained to go until they can't anymore, so Tim wasn't going to complain. The corner probably thought they'd be able to control the bleeding......so it would've been up to the doctor to make the tough decision. The doctor never felt that Tim couldn't see to the extent that he couldn't defend himself, which I agree with. That's why the fight wasn't stopped. Tim was defending himself throughout all 12 rds. I would ask people to watch the fight again and pay attention to Tim parrying and slipping Fundoras jab. Some got through but it wasn't enough to suggest Tim couldn't see them If Tim couldn't see, the fight would've looked way different and Tim probably would've been stopped

if it's an injury, the fighter, his corner and the doctor can stop the fight the ref can only stop a fight on his own via DQ, TKO, or if he thinks a fighter isn't defending himself The boxer is trained to go until they can't anymore, so Tim wasn't going to complain. The corner probably thought they'd be able to control the bleeding......so it would've been up to the doctor to make the tough decision.

Can we all at least agree that Amazon delivered tonight? I usually don’t pay attention to PPV numbers but am curious how it did.

The ref determines the cause, while the doctor determines the severity of the injury...right? So who's ultimately in charge of halting the contest? The ref, doctor or the corner? if it's an injury, the fighter, his corner and the doctor can stop the fight the ref can only stop a fight on his own via DQ, TKO, or if he thinks a fighter isn't defending himself