Anthony Joshua vs Francis Ngannou - DAZN - Fight By Fight Thread

Goes to show you how much of a Tank Andy Ruiz is those same right hands that flattened Ngannu did nothing to Ruiz.

I always thought AJ was underrated and Fury is overrated. But casuals kept overhyping Fury and downplaying AJ. AJ vs Fury would be a great all-British showdown in front of 80,000 at Wembley Stadium. ​ ​ I dont know if that was always the case (the overrated/underrated thing), for a lot of Furys career he wasnt particularly highly regarded. It wasnt until the second Wilder fight that it really started going overboard. I do think he is probably in decline now anyway. Guy is an old 35 and has badly mistreated his body. Hes a more naturally talented boxer than AJ but with that decline and lack of discipline I dont think it'd be enough anymore.

That was a spectacular finish by AJ. Sent reminders to all future opposition. Glad Francis was ok. We don't know IF he's okey yet. People have died hours later from boxing.

I always thought AJ was underrated and Fury is overrated. But casuals kept overhyping Fury and downplaying AJ. AJ vs Fury would be a great all-British showdown in front of 80,000 at Wembley Stadium. ​ ​

That was a spectacular finish by AJ. Sent reminders to all future opposition. Glad Francis was ok.

Anyway, not a Canelo thread. Aren't they all, these days? Lol.

Part of the issue there is that Canelo has fallen in love with his power, and always throws hard. He has enough power to put the fear into the likes of Jermell Charlo anyways. But he'd likely get back into knocking guys out if he altered his power. It's way easier to take shots when you know they're always going to be full power. Mbilli has the same problem. Yeah, while I do think its a smart strategy to come out punching hard, Canelo's got to be able to mix it up, increase his output and not load up so much or he's going risk losing rounds to better boxers. Not sure he's got the engine to do that anymore though. His run through 168lbs sort of spoiled him and gave him a bit of a god ego. I think he did show a bit more of his old self against Jermell, but hard to say for sure until we see him against someone on his level. Anyway, not a Canelo thread.

The ginger those that to mediocres and 2nd tier boxers. He couldn't do that to the three or four élites fighters he fought. He was the primed one. Part of the issue there is that Canelo has fallen in love with his power, and always throws hard. He has enough power to put the fear into the likes of Jermell Charlo anyways. But he'd likely get back into knocking guys out if he altered his power. It's way easier to take shots when you know they're always going to be full power. Mbilli has the same problem.

Yes, I agree. This is why Canelo always comes out in Rd1 throwing full force to the body. He primes his opponents from jump to react to everything. The ginger those that to mediocres and 2nd tier boxers. He couldn't do that to the three or four élites fighters he fought. He was the primed one.

My guess is the power differential. He felt Fury's power and thought he could handle it. Felt AJ's and knew he was in with a real power puncher for a boxer. That's usually why people start making those big moves on feints. They think they need a lot of power to parry, and they start slapping and opening themselves up. Yes, I agree. This is why Canelo always comes out in Rd1 throwing full force to the body. He primes his opponents from jump to react to everything.

which was very strange to me because that was one of the big surprises in the Fury fight (that he didn't bite on Fury's feinting like an inexperience fighter). I didn't watch the Fury fight, but Ngannou looked tense against AJ. I'm not sure if he wasn't warmed up properly or if he was feeling the pressure of the situation. Against Fury, he probably didn't feel much pressure because there wasn't any serious expectations for him to do well. Fury's in-ring behavior/posture is also very different to AJ's. Fury tends to get a bit lax in the ring, but AJ was very focused so Ngannou always had to perceive him as threatening.

which was very strange to me because that was one of the big surprises in the Fury fight (that he didn't bite on Fury's feinting like an inexperience fighter). My guess is the power differential. He felt Fury's power and thought he could handle it. Felt AJ's and knew he was in with a real power puncher for a boxer. That's usually why people start making those big moves on feints. They think they need a lot of power to parry, and they start slapping and opening themselves up.

Yeah, a bit of hubris/overconfidence for sure. Francis got humbled in the most devastating, comprehensive way possible. Ngannou said something at the weigh-in that made me concerned about his mind-frame. I think his confidence was turning into arrogance. He seemed to not take the stare-downs with AJ seriously because he knows he could beat him in a street-fight or MMA rules.....as if that made him tougher or superior.

I think he was trying to get a lead hook over the occasionally lazy jab of AJ, but he was biting BIG on feints, and AJ's 1-2 is such a money maker, and Ngannou just didn't have tight enough defense. which was very strange to me because that was one of the big surprises in the Fury fight (that he didn't bite on Fury's feinting like an inexperience fighter).

...then Joshua threw a punch that potentially no current HW was gonna get up from. Joshua held nothing back. I'm shocked that Ngannou turned southpaw when AJ has experience against them. I mean, he JUST fought and dominated Wallin. I'm not sure if it was inexperience or arrogance. Yeah, a bit of hubris/overconfidence for sure. Francis got humbled in the most devastating, comprehensive way possible.

That one knockout was big enough that it kind of made up for the overall lack of knockout chaos on the rest of the card.

...then Joshua threw a punch that potentially no current HW was gonna get up from. Joshua held nothing back. I'm shocked that Ngannou turned southpaw when AJ has experience against them. I mean, he JUST fought and dominated Wallin. I'm not sure if it was inexperience or arrogance. I think he was trying to get a lead hook over the occasionally lazy jab of AJ, but he was biting BIG on feints, and AJ's 1-2 is such a money maker, and Ngannou just didn't have tight enough defense.

Looking back, he never seemed to have much chance to win, but Ngannou really made a mistake even trying to box with AJ. he was thinking and measuring too much instead of just fighting instinctively. He gets dropped as soon as he switches stances, and then it was just a matter of time. Francis showed a ton of heart getting up twice from big shots, so plenty of respect to him for that. I’d still like to see Ngannou - Wilder though. ...then Joshua threw a punch that potentially no current HW was gonna get up from. Joshua held nothing back. I'm shocked that Ngannou turned southpaw when AJ has experience against them. I mean, he JUST fought and dominated Wallin. I'm not sure if it was inexperience or arrogance.

Wow, I forgot how much dormant power AJ has. Almost killed him. People would pick Wilder against Joshua because the prevailing assumption was that Wilder had bigger one-punch power. But I always felt that AJ's power was on the same level, just that he didn't have Wilder's delusional arrogance. If AJ came in confident/focused against Wilder, Wilder wouldn't have the arsenal to beat him.

Ngannou is a top athletic fighter with frigging bazooka like power in his punches and solid boxing skills, wouldn't be shocked if AJ gets knocked down or stopped. :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: