Is Canelo Greater than Chavez ? If he never fights Benavidez

The fuvkcing irony :rofl: Context and facts are excuses apparently lmfao eat shlt dumbass Ahh pookie was triggered. Casual:lol1:

Not really chavez was chasing Whittaker for a while before sweat Pea finally fought. That was due to chavez slowing down same as carnela choosing golovkin when he started to look weak against brook and Jacobs. Your just cheerelading and not looking at things objectively There is always some excuse when casuals are talking boxing. You're the one cheerleading I'm being objective.

Jesus christ :lol1: Citron: old af Trout: was a good close win for the ginger May:got humiliated for 12 rounds and is the main reason your stupidass is blowing carnela so hard Angulo: is fvkcing trash Gift against Lara Kirkland hadn't fought in 2 years and was coming off a loss in 1st round ko lmao Cotto was old af Try again dumbass :rofl: Ohh!! Shiat. It's getting ugly here in intranet land. it's just human nature to look at only the negative aspects for those you want to criticize, and the positive aspects for those you want to laud. I believe objectively if you compare both men they got gifts, both were beaten badly by technical gifted Fighters, and both men beat tough fighters. You may make a case for either guy. I mean look with JC how he managed to beat Taylor, you can make that somewhat equivalent to any gift decision Canelo got with Triple G. Mayweather handled Canelo easily, sweet pea outclassed JC. I don't see the great disparity here

I was defending you bro Us ''circus clowns'' don't need mouthpieces

What are you talking about?? Originally posted by Gaydrien Boner View Post "That dude (ME) can be a circus clown sometimes but don't be too harsh on him, he is just comparing resumes by names" I don't need a mouthpiece

By the way, what's more important factor, more divisions won or the quality of opposition? Though Canelo definitely had some advantages when it comes to getting titles at 154 and 175 than others.

That dude can be a circus clown sometimes but don't be too harsh on him, he is just comparing resumes by names It works both ways, bruh :haha: Seems like no one, even you, want to give ''names'' an UNEMOTIONAL examination Scured or what :dunno:

Canelo didn't fight a live body until 30+ fights also. His first title came at a 150lb catch weight for the 154 belt vs bum Mathew hatton who was a welter. JCC was a shill Stat padding when he wasn't forced into taking ''risks''

Jesus christ :lol1: Citron: old af Trout: was a good close win for the ginger May:got humiliated for 12 rounds and is the main reason your stupidass is blowing carnela so hard Angulo: is fvkcing trash Gift against Lara Kirkland hadn't fought in 2 years and was coming off a loss in 1st round ko lmao Cotto was old af Try again dumbass :rofl: And youR toesucking ass did nothing for JCC Filthy maggot Nelo > JCC

Canelo didn't fight a live body until 30+ fights also. His first title came at a 150lb catch weight for the 154 belt vs bum Mathew hatton who was a welter.

JCC - 30 fights in before a solid opponent, R May Rock Lock Rosario R May 2 Meldrick (who really never amounted to anything) Ca''macho'' Pea (pure robbery) Randall (see Pea) By this time, JCC is spent. Padding the stats before the inevitable..... DLH :lol1: Tzoo :lol1: Nelo (Jumping ahead to when Nelo is 20 years old) - Cintron Trout May Angulo (never amounted to anything) Lara Kirkland (see Angulo) Cotto......... TBF, this is a silly, popularity infested comparison. You can't find JCC fighting more than 1 ''quality'' name out of every dozen fights. Nelo > JCC, if a person puts their emotions aside. Nelo took way more risks and won. JCC, not so much.

His best win is Cotto and Callum Smith, don't even mention Amir Khan't as a great win Might have given Canelo some credit on his win over Cotto but good lord why did he put catchweight and Rehydration stipulations on a declining fighter. Obviously I think his win over a undefeated Austin Trout should be recognized, as he beat a fresher Cotto without the same advantages as Alvarez and actually belonged in the same division, but Trout isn't a ATG like Miguel and hasn't gotten any notable wins after suffering a single loss. He got treated as a sacrificial name to boost up the Charlo brothers and Hurd.

ROFL, Canelo`s resume is full of gifts and old fighters. Again, what is his best win, 40 years old GGG? And this guy is called like one of the best Mexicans ever? Are you nuts?

While I agree ggg is a beater fighter than Lopez, a dominant win over an established champion like Lopez is a much better win than the gift decision Canelo got over ggg. Cotto? Yeah, thinking about it, that is a better win. Cotto was past his prime too, Lopez was 28 yo, and he's a HOF.

For how long have you following this sport that you come up with this question?

That's the thing though - Canelo's "win" over Golovkin is heavily disputed. Canelo - GGG 1 had atrocious scorecards after which 1 judge was suspended. Then he got busted for PEDs. His "win" over GGG 2 was by 1 round. At that time, Golovkin was 36 years old and Alvarez was 28. In this thread you have folks claim that Canelo, at 33, is "past his prime". What does that mean for the fight you're referring? That in his prime Alvarez needed paid off judges to win by 1 round vs. a 36 year old washed GGG? I'm no expert or historian, but Sanchez dropped Nelson a couple of times and stopped him in the end. That's not even close to the narrative in Canelo - GGG 2. For Canelo, the legacy will always be match making. He has fought impressive opponents, I generally do not have a huge issue with his opponents (except last 2 years). But his opponents have all been of the same ilk - none of them are KO risk. Canelo had advantage of scoring in all of his fights, and him (or Reynoso) had picked opponents without power. The last time he fought a guy with power? Kovalev on short notice who was stopped twice and had alcohol issues. Before that? GGG2, which he tried to duck and forced to fight because he popped dirty on a PED test. Canelo's team has avoided fighters with power like the plague for 10 years, and they're continuing to do so. Call me naive, but I don't think he ever fights Benavidez, because David can knock Canelo out and ruin his legacy completely. How do you know the judges were paid off? Golovkin was considered universally the P4P #1 fighter in the world at that time, past his best or not, and Canelo beat him. Yeah it was close and either way but he won, that's just a fact of the matter. Nelson was never considered P4P #1 ever and especially not that version that Sanchez fought who wasn't in his prime either. The manner of victory was better yes but the win over Golovkin is better than the win over Nelson.

Mosley was 41 years old having a losing streak and Cotto was at the end of his career at 35 years old. He also had a catchweight of 155 and could only rehydrate 10 pounds due to the contract. Kovalev and Jacobs also had a rehydration clause. The former stating he was too worn down by the two consecutive training camps against Anthony Yarde and Eleider Alvarez in 2019. I listed ranked contenders and champions that Chavez Sr faced, just because they didn't do enough to be remembered doesn't mean they were easy fights for the common fighter. There also champions listed like Ramirez, Randall, Parisi, Lopez, Gamache, Smith, Lockridge, Laporte, Mayweather, Rosario, Taylor, Camacho, and Haugen. Not all of them are HOF material, but they are consistent champions that are physically at their prime. There are HOFs like Ramirez, Haugen and Mayweather, ATGs in Rosario and Camacho. Chavez also fought De La Hoya and Kostya at the end of his career with a controversial draw with Pernell Whittaker in favor of the American. These were their records at the time of Cotto and Mosley: Miguel Cotto (had a record of 40-4): {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tScreenshot_20240301_174118_Gallery.jpg Views:\t0 Size:\t297.2 KB ID:\t32186129","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"32186129","data-size":"custom","height":"300","title":"Screenshot_20240301_174118_Gallery.jpg","width":"183"} Shane Mosley (had a record of 46-7-1) {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tScreenshot_20240301_173132_Chrome.jpg Views:\t0 Size:\t292.9 KB ID:\t32186128","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"32186128","data-size":"custom","height":"300","title":"Screenshot_20240301_173132_Chrome.jpg","width":"194"} I agree with this. Both Cotto and Mosley never really had a tremendous win above 147. Who were Cotto's best win at 154? A one-legged Yuri Foreman. best win at 160? A one-legged Sergio Martinez. Anybody can watch those fights and see for themselves how these fighters are still visibly injured and reeling from leg pain. Mosley had one notable win at 154 and it was extremely close fight with Oscar during both their primes, when they first entered that 54 division and when they were still technically 147 fighters. After that fight, Mosley never really had a good career at 154 after back to back losses to Winky. Prime Cotto and Prime Mosley were both in the 140-147 range.

I remember the guy now, Buck Smith has 183 wins with 121 ko's.

Except Canelo has a list of quality wins so that point doesn't make sense. Avoid where? I wasn't asked. Canelo's win over Golovkin 2 is much better than Sanchez' over Nelson. That's the thing though - Canelo's "win" over Golovkin is heavily disputed. Canelo - GGG 1 had atrocious scorecards after which 1 judge was suspended. Then he got busted for PEDs. His "win" over GGG 2 was by 1 round. At that time, Golovkin was 36 years old and Alvarez was 28. In this thread you have folks claim that Canelo, at 33, is "past his prime". What does that mean for the fight you're referring? That in his prime Alvarez needed paid off judges to win by 1 round vs. a 36 year old washed GGG? I'm no expert or historian, but Sanchez dropped Nelson a couple of times and stopped him in the end. That's not even close to the narrative in Canelo - GGG 2. For Canelo, the legacy will always be match making. He has fought impressive opponents, I generally do not have a huge issue with his opponents (except last 2 years). But his opponents have all been of the same ilk - none of them are KO risk. Canelo had advantage of scoring in all of his fights, and him (or Reynoso) had picked opponents without power. The last time he fought a guy with power? Kovalev on short notice who was stopped twice and had alcohol issues. Before that? GGG2, which he tried to duck and forced to fight because he popped dirty on a PED test. Canelo's team has avoided fighters with power like the plague for 10 years, and they're continuing to do so. Call me naive, but I don't think he ever fights Benavidez, because David can knock Canelo out and ruin his legacy completely.

you discounted cotto and mosley for canelo but you just listed a bunch of nobodies for sr.. you listed all the great fighters that canelo beat then you make excuses saying he wasnt at his best when canelo fought him.. your view is flawed from the start already. there is no reason for me to continue on with this nonsense with you. Mosley was 41 years old having a losing streak and Cotto was at the end of his career at 35 years old. He also had a catchweight of 155 and could only rehydrate 10 pounds due to the contract. Kovalev and Jacobs also had a rehydration clause. The former stating he was too worn down by the two consecutive training camps against Anthony Yarde and Eleider Alvarez in 2019. I listed ranked contenders and champions that Chavez Sr faced, just because they didn't do enough to be remembered doesn't mean they were easy fights for the common fighter. There also champions listed like Ramirez, Randall, Parisi, Lopez, Gamache, Smith, Lockridge, Laporte, Mayweather, Rosario, Taylor, Camacho, and Haugen. Not all of them are HOF material, but they are consistent champions that are physically at their prime. There are HOFs like Ramirez, Taylor, Haugen and Mayweather, ATGs in Rosario and Camacho. Chavez also fought De La Hoya and Kostya at the end of his career with a controversial draw with Pernell Whittaker in favor of the American. These were their records at the time of Cotto and Mosley: Miguel Cotto (had a record of 40-4): {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tScreenshot_20240301_174118_Gallery.jpg Views:\t0 Size:\t297.2 KB ID:\t32186129","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"32186129","data-size":"custom","height":"300","title":"Screenshot_20240301_174118_Gallery.jpg","width":"183"} Shane Mosley (had a record of 46-7-1) {"alt":"Click image for larger version Name:\tScreenshot_20240301_173132_Chrome.jpg Views:\t0 Size:\t292.9 KB ID:\t32186128","data-align":"none","data-attachmentid":"32186128","data-size":"custom","height":"300","title":"Screenshot_20240301_173132_Chrome.jpg","width":"194"}