Beterbiev is on another level not seen often throughout history.

Interesting. So that's 10 VADA programs he's passed. ShoulderRoll That would make him likely clean and not suspicious right? Especially since VADA have come out publicly and said it's not suspicious and in fact common. And we know that when the testing companies say that it's gospel. Are you willing to be a man and retract your statement and make a public apology? SausageRoll has no honour or dignity to apologise. You will be waiting for a long time.

Trolling? :lol1: You are literally refusing to answer basic questions.... You can't honestly think you don't look like a total doughnut? Aren't you the guy who said not answering questions means you take the L? Even demanding yes or no answers to your questions from others :lol1: What a pathetic excuse of a man you are. You haven't answered whether you agree that Floyd left America frequently when active. You haven't answered if you can give an example of Ngannou leaving America for a training camp during his UFC career. You haven't answered why Floyd doesn't have to do 365 USADA testing to be deemed likely clean but Ngannou does. You haven't answered why you deem Floyd not suspicious because USADA deemed it so for his unusual (and illegal) behavior but not the case when VADA deem Beterbeiv not suspicious and in fact a common occurrence you dismiss that. And you haven't answered why you deem VADA corrupt. Why won't you answer these questions? I have answered every single question you've asked. You want to try not being a coward and answering basic questions and thus justifying your position? Or are you going to concede the L and hope it goes away? ShoulderRoll Why are you posting in other threads and not answering these questions? They're very simple questions. Or do you concede your L like you tell others to do when they refuse to answer your questions?

If you can’t understand simple explanations or acknowledge when you’re wrong (like in the case of Canelo’s case being different than Conor Benn’s) then it’s pointless to try to discuss anything with you. Keep trolling if you want, though. Trolling? :lol1: You are literally refusing to answer basic questions.... You can't honestly think you don't look like a total doughnut? Aren't you the guy who said not answering questions means you take the L? Even demanding yes or no answers to your questions from others :lol1: What a pathetic excuse of a man you are. You haven't answered whether you agree that Floyd left America frequently when active. You haven't answered if you can give an example of Ngannou leaving America for a training camp during his UFC career. You haven't answered why Floyd doesn't have to do 365 USADA testing to be deemed likely clean but Ngannou does. You haven't answered why you deem Floyd not suspicious because USADA deemed it so for his unusual (and illegal) behavior but not the case when VADA deem Beterbeiv not suspicious and in fact a common occurrence you dismiss that. And you haven't answered why you deem VADA corrupt. Why won't you answer these questions? I have answered every single question you've asked. You want to try not being a coward and answering basic questions and thus justifying your position? Or are you going to concede the L and hope it goes away?

ShoulderRoll Why are you running again? :lol1: Are you going to elaborate on how VADA are corrupt since your refusal to answer whether they are or not and how Canelo can be likely clean due to VADA testing at the same time? If you can’t understand simple explanations or acknowledge when you’re wrong (like in the case of Canelo’s case being different than Conor Benn’s) then it’s pointless to try to discuss anything with you. Keep trolling if you want, though.

ShoulderRoll Why are you running again? :lol1: Are you going to elaborate on how VADA are corrupt since your refusal to answer whether they are or not and how Canelo can be likely clean due to VADA testing at the same time?

I was quite clear about my opinion on this. VADA testing with no weird results, and abnormal levels of testosterone and HGH are a weird result. it is what it is. Why are you not quoting me so you can try and escape like a little weasel :lol1: You haven't been clear at all, you've actually been very unclear and your refusal to answer basic questions extends that. Why do you give USADA authority when they deem Floyd not suspicious for his suspicious behavior and not the same when VADA deem Beterbiev's suspicious behavior not suspicious and in fact common? Why won't you ANSWER THE QUESTIONS?????????? The fact you won't answer the question I am going to have take that as you are conceding that VADA are corrupt. Until you answer it then that's the only stance you're going to be given. So with that, how can Canelo be likely clean if we've established you think VADA are corrupt?

I was quite clear about my opinion on this. VADA testing with no weird results, and abnormal levels of testosterone and HGH are a weird result. it is what it is.

None the less, I said VADA testing with no weird results. And Beterbiev got a weird result. None the less? What do you mean none the less? That expression can't apply here because that would mean you're dismissing your stance when you said if USADA deem something not suspicious that means that the are not suspicious I.e When Floyd was caught with an illegal IV, with is a "weird finding" and you deem him to be clean because USADA said so. Yet VADA, in your words the better testing company, said Beterbiev's case is not only not suspicious but in fact common. That has to mean by your own logic that don't find it suspicious? Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt?​​​​​​ Enough so that even you said he was suspect, didn’t you? ​Yes, I do. But not more suspicious than the likes of Floyd Mayweather for example, who you deem "clean". Or not more suspicious than Vergil Ortiz for example, who you deem "clean by the benefit of the doubt". He'd more more suspicious than someone like Franics Ngannou for example, who you deem "assuredly on PEDs" with zero evidence what so ever. But a lot less suspicious than the likes of Canelo, a guy who's failed multiple drug tests, that you deem "likely clean". I find all suspicious behavior suspicious, you pick and choose what you deem suspicious and move the goal post whenever it suits you.

But VADA said it's not suspicious and in fact common. Doesn't that mean you don't find it suspicious? Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt?​​​​​ None the less, I said VADA testing with no weird results. And Beterbiev got a weird result. Enough so that even you said he was suspect, didn’t you?

No. I said VADA testing with no weird results. Beterbiev’s abnormally high testosterone and HGH levels were a weird result. But VADA said it's not suspicious and in fact common. Doesn't that mean you don't find it suspicious? Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt?​​​​​

Interesting. So that's 10 VADA programs he's passed. ShoulderRoll That would make him likely clean and not suspicious right? Especially since VADA have come out publicly and said it's not suspicious and in fact common. And we know that when the testing companies say that it's gospel. Are you willing to be a man and retract your statement and make a public apology? No. I said VADA testing with no weird results. Beterbiev’s abnormally high testosterone and HGH levels were a weird result.

Beterbiev's rabbit punching skills are on another level for sure he's a specialist at punching you behind the ear even if you're coming forward to him, with those looping hooks of his and because he hits so hard, whenever Beterviev's getting lit like a christmas tree by his opponent, he can turn the tides with one of those dangerous cheap shots. Beterbiev's defense is pretty leaky and mediocre, but those trusty rabbit punching counter-hooks of his are always there to pull his chestnuts off the fire. The Yarde fight and the Callum Smith fight at some point are very good examples of this He won't be easy to beat for anyone

I agree with OP that he would be a long day for any ATG LHW. Not an easy fight for anyone. Could he beat the likes of Tunney, Conn, Charles, Moore, Foster, Spinks, Jones Jr? I’m not sure. He’s been dropped by lesser fighters and none of his wins measure up to the skill and talent of some of the ATG’s. Gvozdyk was his best win IMO, and I didn’t expect him to win that fight. If he can beat Bivol I think he’s in the conversation.

Beterbiev all clear He passed all VADA tests - Bivol fight is on! https://twitter.com/Vada_Testing/status/1751013785786298407?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1751013785786298407%7Ctwgr%5E2eb61f1755960f525a36a00f3d2beed26a5af97c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.essentiallysports.com%2Fboxing-news-vada-announces-artur-beterbievs-final-doping-test-result-of-callum-smith-fight-after-atypical-findings%2F Interesting. So that's 10 VADA programs he's passed. ShoulderRoll That would make him likely clean and not suspicious right? Especially since VADA have come out publicly and said it's not suspicious and in fact common. And we know that when the testing companies say that it's gospel. Are you willing to be a man and retract your statement and make a public apology?

Beterbiev all clear He passed all VADA tests - Bivol fight is on! https://twitter.com/Vada_Testing/status/1751013785786298407?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1751013785786298407%7Ctwgr%5E2eb61f1755960f525a36a00f3d2beed26a5af97c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.essentiallysports.com%2Fboxing-news-vada-announces-artur-beterbievs-final-doping-test-result-of-callum-smith-fight-after-atypical-findings%2F

Hey ShoulderRoll Why are you in other threads but won't you answer simple questions? Aren't you the guy who said not answering questions means you take the L? :lol1: What do you look like. Let's try again shall we; So you'd agree that Floyd left America frequently when active also then? Do you have an example of Ngannou leaving America for a training camp? I don't recall a single time that happened Floyd doesn't and has never done USADA 365 testing (Unlike Ngannou who did it over over a decade) Is Floyd not likely clean, since he travels and doesn't do 365 USADA testing? We need to get these things clarified for you to justify your stances. You deem Floyd not suspicious because USADA deemed it so but not the case when VADA deem beterbeiv not suspicious and in fact a common occurrence. Why do you take USADA's word as authority and not VADA? I thought you said VADA were better than USADA? You can't have both. Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt? Why won't you answer that? Why are you avoiding these questions? Will you answer these questions? Or take your L?​​​​​​

Beterbiev can’t be called a cheat because he didn’t test positive. But he can be sad to be suspicious because of the atypically high levels of HGH and testosterone that VADA found. IronDan himself has said he finds it suspicious, so… But VADA said it's not suspicious and in fact common. Doesn't that mean you don't find it suspicious? Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt?​​​​ Why are openly avoiding these questions?​​​

:sleeping::sleeping: Why won't you answer simple questions? Aren't you the guy who said not answering questions means you take the L? :lol1: What do you look like. Let's try again shall we; So you'd agree that Floyd left America frequently when active also then? Do you have an example of Ngannou leaving America for a training camp? I don't recall a single time that happened Floyd doesn't and has never done USADA 365 testing (Unlike Ngannou who did it over over a decade) Is Floyd not likely clean, since he travels and doesn't do 365 USADA testing? We need to get these things clarified for you to justify your stances. You deem Floyd not suspicious because USADA deemed it so but not the case when VADA deem beterbeiv not suspicious and in fact a common occurrence. Why do you take USADA's word as authority and not VADA? I thought you said VADA were better than USADA? You can't have both. Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt? Why won't you answer that? Why are you avoiding these questions? Will you answer these questions? Or take your L?​​​​​

ShoulderRoll Why are you so frightened to answer very simple questions? Let's try again shall we; So you'd agree that Floyd left America frequently when active also then? Do you have an example of Ngannou leaving America for a training camp? I don't recall a single time that happened Floyd doesn't and has never done USADA 365 testing (Unlike Ngannou who did it over over a decade) Is Floyd not likely clean, since he travels and doesn't do 365 USADA testing? We need to get these things clarified for you to justify your stances. You deem Floyd not suspicious because USADA deemed it so but not the case when VADA deem beterbeiv not suspicious and in fact a common occurrence. Why do you take USADA's word as authority and not VADA? I thought you said VADA were better than USADA? You can't have both. Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt? Why won't you answer that? Why are you avoiding these questions? Will you answer these questions? Or take your L?​​​​ But VADA said it's not suspicious and in fact common. Doesn't that mean you don't find it suspicious? Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt?​​​​ Why are openly avoiding these questions?​​ :sleeping::sleeping:

he has fought exactly 0 hall of famers. LMFAO dude has a weak resume. let's be honest. he's a can crusher. Yup , crushed twenty of them and your mom Not bad