Daniel Dubois' appeal to have Oleksandr Usyk defeat overturned REJECTED by WBA

So the guidance is not based on rules? Why is there a guidance if it serves for nothing? What everybody should know is that regardless of the corrupt and/or bad decisions, things stay obvious for the people to see. When asked why Dubois wasn't ruled a loss against Lerena being knocked down tree times in a round, the answer was because the fight was supervised by the BBBoC and the tree knockdowns rule is not recognized with. So does WBA stick to her rules (because the tree knockdowns rule exists in WBA) or not? You contradict yourself: it is up to the referee to decide, but now you blame the Anderson-Rudenko one that he didn't rule correct - well, it is correct, because he says so, right? The rest is something you made it up, because the fight was fine and it might come as a surprise to you, but the trunks move up and down, so the waistline is not defined by them. Twist it as much as you like, but you can't achieve it, that is what my good luck was about. And I am not going to waste anymore time with stupid things. Referee's guidelines are there to help the referee ensure that the rules are followed by the fighters, but they are guidelines, not the rules themselves. I'm not contradicting myself or blaming the referee in the the Anderson/Rudenko fight for anything. I simply said that he indicated the beltline for Rudenko as being the top of the waistband of his trunks, then said nothing when Anderson repeatedly hit below the line indicated. That is a fact. It is actually you who are contradicting yourself by saying that indicating the beltline serves no purpose, because trunks move up and down during the fight. You can't have it both ways. The rules of boxing state that punching below the navel is illegal. Usyk was clearly hit below the navel. That is why Dubois' appeal was thrown out by the WBA. End of story.

So the guidance is not based on rules? Why is there a guidance if it serves for nothing? What everybody should know is that regardless of the corrupt and/or bad decisions, things stay obvious for the people to see. When asked why Dubois wasn't ruled a loss against Lerena being knocked down tree times in a round, the answer was because the fight was supervised by the BBBoC and the tree knockdowns rule is not recognized with. So does WBA stick to her rules (because the tree knockdowns rule exists in WBA) or not? You contradict yourself: it is up to the referee to decide, but now you blame the Anderson-Rudenko one that he didn't rule correct - well, it is correct, because he says so, right? The rest is something you made it up, because the fight was fine and it might come as a surprise to you, but the trunks move up and down, so the waistline is not defined by them. Twist it as much as you like, but you can't achieve it, that is what my good luck was about. And I am not going to waste anymore time with stupid things.

But some still claim Usyk is more technical (I give them a tie on this one) and faster, so if he get slower, he might not be slower than Fury. Fury himself is not as fast as before and as I said - it's Usyk who lives a strict lifestyle. Just look at Fury's shape about a month ago. So no - Usyk being older doesn't work as an excuse. They've two years difference, not 5 or more. WBA Referee Manual – World Boxing Association (wbaboxing.com) "Once the boxers have been announced, he will greet them in the center of the ring and give them their final instructions. These instructions should be brief, as they have already been previously instructed. Confirm your authority, establish the waistlines and reiterate any bout specific concerns. Long dramatic instructions serve no purpose and may create a circus like atmosphere." "BA rules state that a boxer that is hurt by a low blow will have up to five​ (5) minutes to recover. If the boxer does not resume fighting after this time period, he will lose the bout by TKO. It is advisable for the Referee to discreetly encourage the hurt boxer to resume fighting as soon as possible. A full five (5) minute stop in the action will stymie the natural flow of the bout and quite possibly affect its natural outcome. However, one should keep in mind that the boxer is entitled to the full five (5) minute recovery period if he desires it." Suitable hand signal: Point to the area where the blow landed. Then, with your hand palm up, move it upward." So: 1. Pabon didn't establish the waistlines, nor expressed any concerns. He acted like a *etard when Dubois' trainer asked him explicitly about it in the dressing room and it seems now he did it on purpose. There was no suitable hand signal to the area where the blow landed. 2. The referee must encourage a fighter to resume as soon as possible, but Pabon encouraged him to take more time, despite the fact that it is "if the fighter desires" to take advantage of those up to five minutes, but Usyk insisted several times that he is ready to continue. That is how another referee did a few hours later after Usyk-Dubois: Jared Anderson vs Andrii Rudenko (26-08-2023) Full Fight - video Dailymotion.​ Bye and good luck, lad! ​​ What you posted there is guidance for referees, not rules or regulations. There is a difference. I repeat, there is no rule saying the ref must indicate the beltline in the ring pre-fight. A rule which does not exist cannot be broken. I agree that it would have been better if Pabon had indicated the beltline in his pre-fight instructions in the ring, but there is no rule saying he must do that. It is something that refs usually do, but not always. Eg, in the Hatton vs Lazcano fight that somebody posted an image from in this clip, the ref did not indicate the beltline in his prematch instructions. (I re-watched that fight after seeing that image) It's ironic that the ref in the Anderson vs Rudenko fight you linked to did the indicate beltline, because Anderson was allowed to get away with repeatedly punching Rudenko below the line indicated by the ref, which was the top of the waistband of Rudenko's trunks. Regarding the restart after the low blow, it is up to the referee and nobody else to decide when it is possible for the hurt boxer to resume fighting. The safety of the fighters is the ref's first priority and responsibility. He must allow as much time as he thinks is necessary - up to the 5 minute max - before allowing the fight to continue. Dubois appealed against the outcome if his fight with Usyk and the appeal was thrown out by the WBA. That really is all anybody should need to know.

Usyk is 36 years old, Fury is 34. Being smaller, Usyk needs speed, reflexes and mobility to win. Speed, reflexes and mobility are the first things a fighter loses as he gets older. Fury's advantages are his size, strength and power. Those are the last things a fighter loses as he gets older. To put it in a nutshell, Usyk will slow down soon. You can already see it happening. Fury will still be bigger. stronger and more powerful than him. But some still claim Usyk is more technical (I give them a tie on this one) and faster, so if he get slower, he might not be slower than Fury. Fury himself is not as fast as before and as I said - it's Usyk who lives a strict lifestyle. Just look at Fury's shape about a month ago. So no - Usyk being older doesn't work as an excuse. They've two years difference, not 5 or more. You said the referee broke the rules by not indicating the beltline to the boxers before the fight. The fight was a WBA mandated title fight. This is what the WBA rules say: 30. Protector. A protector (belt and cup) shall be required for boxers participating in sanctioned fights. The protector shall not exceed the navel or the superior anterior iliac spine. The trunks shall go one (1) inch over the protector. Boxers shall have the trunks and protector available at the weighing ceremony so that the supervisor or referee may approve ordisapprove them. Before beginning the fight, the referee will verify that both contenders use their protectors below the navel.​ Nothing there about indicating the beltline to the fighters. It is impossible to break a rule which does not exist. You said the ref also broke the rules by telling Usyk to take more time to recover from the low blow, after Usyk said he was ok. Here's what the rules say: 18. Late and Low Blows. In case of an accidental low blow or other accidental blow after the bell, the referee shall determine if the boxer who received the blow may continue the fight. Because the protector used by a boxer is considered sufficient protection, a bout cannot be terminated by a low blow. If the capacity of the boxer has not been endangered as a result of the blow, then the referee shall order the fight to resume, after an interval which is subject to the referee's discretion but which shall not exceed five minutes. A boxer unable or unwilling to resume the fight after the referee orders him to resume fighting shall lose the fight by Technical Knockout (TKO)​ See the bolded? What that means is that the referee decides when the fight resumes, not the fighter! WBA rules: https://www.wbaboxing.com/wp-content...0-and-2022.pdf WBA Referee Manual – World Boxing Association (wbaboxing.com) "Once the boxers have been announced, he will greet them in the center of the ring and give them their final instructions. These instructions should be brief, as they have already been previously instructed. Confirm your authority, establish the waistlines and reiterate any bout specific concerns. Long dramatic instructions serve no purpose and may create a circus like atmosphere." "BA rules state that a boxer that is hurt by a low blow will have up to five​ (5) minutes to recover. If the boxer does not resume fighting after this time period, he will lose the bout by TKO. It is advisable for the Referee to discreetly encourage the hurt boxer to resume fighting as soon as possible. A full five (5) minute stop in the action will stymie the natural flow of the bout and quite possibly affect its natural outcome. However, one should keep in mind that the boxer is entitled to the full five (5) minute recovery period if he desires it." Suitable hand signal: Point to the area where the blow landed. Then, with your hand palm up, move it upward." So: 1. Pabon didn't establish the waistlines, nor expressed any concerns. He acted like a *etard when Dubois' trainer asked him explicitly about it in the dressing room and it seems now he did it on purpose. There was no suitable hand signal to the area where the blow landed. 2. The referee must encourage a fighter to resume as soon as possible, but Pabon encouraged him to take more time, despite the fact that it is "if the fighter desires" to take advantage of those up to five minutes, but Usyk insisted several times that he is ready to continue. That is how another referee did a few hours later after Usyk-Dubois: Jared Anderson vs Andrii Rudenko (26-08-2023) Full Fight - video Dailymotion.​ Bye and good luck, lad! ​​

A big part of the Usyk fans act like sectarians. They are also ready with the most stupid excuse if he loses to Fury - Fury is waiting for Usyk to get older. Like Fury is so much younger or he is the one living an athlete style, never having abused alcohol, or drugs and been obese. Usyk is 36 years old, Fury is 34. Being smaller, Usyk needs speed, reflexes and mobility to win. Speed, reflexes and mobility are the first things a fighter loses as he gets older. Fury's advantages are his size, strength and power. Those are the last things a fighter loses as he gets older. To put it in a nutshell, Usyk will slow down soon. You can already see it happening. Fury will still be bigger. stronger and more powerful than him.

After you. You said the referee broke the rules by not indicating the beltline to the boxers before the fight. The fight was a WBA mandated title fight. This is what the WBA rules say: 30. Protector. A protector (belt and cup) shall be required for boxers participating in sanctioned fights. The protector shall not exceed the navel or the superior anterior iliac spine. The trunks shall go one (1) inch over the protector. Boxers shall have the trunks and protector available at the weighing ceremony so that the supervisor or referee may approve ordisapprove them. Before beginning the fight, the referee will verify that both contenders use their protectors below the navel.​ Nothing there about indicating the beltline to the fighters. It is impossible to break a rule which does not exist. You said the ref also broke the rules by telling Usyk to take more time to recover from the low blow, after Usyk said he was ok. Here's what the rules say: 18. Late and Low Blows. In case of an accidental low blow or other accidental blow after the bell, the referee shall determine if the boxer who received the blow may continue the fight. Because the protector used by a boxer is considered sufficient protection, a bout cannot be terminated by a low blow. If the capacity of the boxer has not been endangered as a result of the blow, then the referee shall order the fight to resume, after an interval which is subject to the referee's discretion but which shall not exceed five minutes. A boxer unable or unwilling to resume the fight after the referee orders him to resume fighting shall lose the fight by Technical Knockout (TKO)​ See the bolded? What that means is that the referee decides when the fight resumes, not the fighter! WBA rules: https://www.wbaboxing.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/20221101-WBA-Rules-Adopted-in-Bulgaria-2015-mod.-in-Oct-2020-and-2022.pdf

If I'm wrong you can easily prove it by posting links to the rules you're talking about here. After you. Being a conspiracist edgelord is part of it too. A big part of the Usyk fans act like sectarians. They are also ready with the most stupid excuse if he loses to Fury - Fury is waiting for Usyk to get older. Like Fury is so much younger or he is the one living an athlete style, never having abused alcohol, or drugs and been obese.

Amazing how many people still don't understand the rules. Most of the haters here have proven in the past that they've never read the rules, and since they persist in failing to understand them, it's pretty clear that the agenda is hating on Usyk, nothing else.

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What's interesting is Dubois is wearing his trunks higher than Usyk and the video clearly shows the bottom half of the knuckles below the lowest point of Usyk beltline, ie a half below the beltline shot. True. But the "beltline" is defined as level with the navel. And the arrow in that video clearly shows Usyk's navel moving 6 inches closer to his nuts as the punch is thrown. :lol1:

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Ok, keep being wrong. If I'm wrong you can easily prove it by posting links to the rules you're talking about here.

It's hilarious how that vid has a superimposed arrow pointing to Usyk's navel. And when Usyk's navel moves ... the arrow stays in the same place :lol1: To me, that proves two things conclusively - Usyk was hit low ... and there's no cure for stupid! What's interesting is Dubois is wearing his trunks higher than Usyk and the video clearly shows the bottom half of the knuckles below the lowest point of Usyk beltline, ie a half below the beltline shot. Ref handled it fairly but no matter, boxing don't matter anymore so 99.99% of the public don't care.

It's hilarious how that vid has a superimposed arrow pointing to Usyk's navel. And when Usyk's navel moves ... the arrow stays in the same place :lol1: To me, that proves two things conclusively - Usyk was hit low ... and there's no cure for stupid! This what a lot of people are not getting - whether a punch is legal or not depends on where it lands on the body, not on the trunks. In Dubois' dressing room pre fight, Don Charles asked the referee to check that Usyk didn't come in wearing his trunks high. If his trunks had been high, the ref would have pointed that out and told them that punches to the top part of the trunks - the part above "the belt" - were ok. Have you never seen a ref do that before a fight? I have, many, many times, and I know why. It astonishes me that so many fans and even actual fighters, don't seem to get it. Usyk wasn't wearing his trunks high, so the ref didn't tell them that it was ok to target any part of the trunks. That meant that the whole of Usyk's trunks were out of bounds. the mental gymnastics of a cuckold. {"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","title":"laughing-michael-jordan.gif","data-attachmentid":32039096}

Again: there are rules, but not opinions. The referee is there to apply them, not to have an essayistic form of understanding of them or force his own vision. But since it is clear we are on different opinions, there is no point of going in repetitive posts. Have you never heard or seen the term: "The referee's decision is final"? Or "At the the referee's discretion "?

There is no rule saying the ref has to confirm the waistline in the ring before a fight. The bolded is nonsense. Only the ref gets to decide whether a fighter is ok to fight or not. Ok, keep being wrong.

Pabon didn't comfirm the waistline, so he didn't follow the rule. And when the fighter says he is ready, the referee must allow him to continue. There is no rule saying the ref has to confirm the waistline in the ring before a fight. The bolded is nonsense. Only the ref gets to decide whether a fighter is ok to fight or not.

In a boxing match, the ref's ruling is what defines whether a rule has been broken or not, and the ref's ruling is based upon the ref's opinion. Again: there are rules, but not opinions. The referee is there to apply them, not to have an essayistic form of understanding of them or force his own vision. But since it is clear we are on different opinions, there is no point of going in repetitive posts.

What matters are the rules. The rules are above everyone and everything. The referee is there to apply the rules, not have an opinion. It's like saying a cop can act as he decides, despite there being a law defining how he can or shouldn't act. In a boxing match, the ref's job is to uphold the rules. And he can only do that by making decisions based upon his opinion on what he sees.

Pabon didn't break any rule by not defining the waistline. The waistline was already defined by the rules of boxing. Referees only have to indicate where the waistline is when fighters come in wearing their trunks high, pulled up above the waistline. Also, when a ref calls a break after a foul, only the ref can tell the fighters when it is ok to resume boxing. The fighters absolutely do not have the right to make that call for themselves. Pabon didn't comfirm the waistline, so he didn't follow the rule. And when the fighter says he is ready, the referee must allow him to continue.