Joyce Put on More Weight LOL It's over

As I have been saying for sometime, actually since Parker fight. I honestly believe not only was that Joyce's best performance as a professional, but the damage he sustain in that fight was underrated 'I think since that fight Joyce has been burnt out'. Overall his career since leaving team Hayemaker, the match making most of the time has been bad 'Even the Dubois fight could of been made at a different time, and been a mega fight for not fighters. Zhang vs Joyce I, was a unnecessary fight to take for Joyce 'But the rematch was always going to happen. Because Joyce is that type of fighter, and understood the importance of avenging a loss 'And not trying to get away from that challenge' etc.

Looks like Joyce does get hit a lot after all... what were we saying about how his defense is underrated? Zhang has his number, and that's just beyond dispute at this point.

I'm not really concerned yet about Joyce getting knocked out. As I said, he didn't even get dropped. But he gets hit with a lot of lead shots. Very susceptible to the southpaw cross lead. He doesn't tend to get caught by too much follow-up stuff because he's usually fading away from the rear hand, but that's against orthodox opponents. Against Zhang, it's more of a problem. Check my posts and you'll see that I haven't mentioned those others. Don't try to pin that straw man crap on me. Stick to talking Joyce. Facts are that he's susceptible to that first punch because he keeps his head in the same channel when he punches. He's susceptible to southpaw followups because he just does a pull and retreat in a straight line along the rear foot. If he circled out after the initial dip out, he'd get hit way less. He doesn't really parry well. And he didn't make adjustments when Zhang was catching him. Top fighters don't keep getting hit by the same punch over and over again until they get stopped. Hopefully he made adjustments in camp, but he's got major defensive issues, and those don't just get corrected after so many years building bad habits. Fortunately, the heavyweight division isn't the most skilled. In the plus column for him, I don't think Zhang really TKOed him. That was a doctor stoppage. He's tough, and for such a big guy, he has a good gas tank. If he doesn't get stopped in the first 6, chances are he wins the fight due to his late game output and Zhang's poor gas tank. One thing to be aware of: getting hit by an opponent who is not set, in order to counter is a legitimate strategy. pressure fighters do this often. While you make some great points, considering the division, the level of talent, etc, Joyce's foibles hardly put him at the mercy of more technically skilled fighters, omitting Usyk and Fury.

Seriously go watch the entire Parker fight when you have time see how little he lands flush power shots on Joyce the same fight that’s made out like Joyce had to walk through hell to wear him down ? Lol The most you’ll see is round 5 . I’m not contesting he wasn’t hit but it was not like he kept getting bombarding he had Parker running half the time so how’s he getting hit a lot , he nearly hit Parker across the ring with a back shot at one point . If you watch it again come back here and tell me if I’m crazy or not or is it everybody else ? Lol Joyces opponents are getting damaged more from Stivernes elephant man face to DDD broken eye socket ,I think he actually took years off of Parker’s career but they’ll tell you all about his defense and speed etc etc…then tell you Joyce is getting punished to much it’s just Weird . I did... I agree. He shut down Parker who looked gassed, was able to land occasionally while going backwards, and yes, occasionally got a punch in. Parker was shut down, he was unable to raise a serious offense because Joyce had him going backwards... Also, I only noticed the triple jab twice, in the early rounds. I do not see any indication that Joyce was vulnerable in this fight. On the contrary he walked down the smaller man and never let him set up an attack. Parker had never lost a fight by KO prior to...

Rewatching the Parker fight, which is arguably one of his best performances, he was getting caught plenty. He repeatedly tried to pull back to his rear foot and then retreat in a straight line, which is why he kept getting tagged by Parker's triple jabs. He habitually favors that defense, which puts him right in line with the left hand, which is a big portion of why he was getting tagged repeatedly by Zhang. He rarely takes his head offline. Just leaves it right there in the center. When he did, Parker was tagging him with left hooks. He ate over a hundred power punches in that fight. It would really help him to learn to circle out after that pull retreat. Just that would make a big difference in his ability to maintain his pressure, especially against orthodox fighters. One thing in his favor is that Zhang didn't actually drop him, and that Zhang does gas out pretty fast. So if the doctor doesn't stop the fight, he's got a good chance. But he's going to be eating a lot of leather from Zhang. Zhang has to be hard to prepare for because how are you going to find sparring partners who are southpaw and hit that fast while being that big? Yes Joyce was getting whacked in the Parker fight big time 'But it was still a great performance'. In terms of his endurance, durability and intensity. What people seem to be overlooking, is that Joyce does get hit with his opponent's best punchers 'Well he was vs Parker and Zhang'. So although the number of those punches may not be super high 'It is those type of punchers which deck and bang out most other opponents. And it is those type of punchers if you survive them, cause serious damage'. Joyce was damaged after the Parker fight, the damage he sustained in that fight is underrated 'I saw a interview with Joyce the following day, and he was clearly damaged. Reminiscent of the interview I once saw with Evander Holyfield give post Lennox Lewis I, not as whacked but Joyce was clearly damaged'. Joyce once again vs Zhang I, was hit by Zhang's best punches 'Joyce was not decked or knocked out, but the damage he sustained forced the stoppage'. I never picked Joyce to win the first fight out right, and thought it was a unnecessary fight to take 'It was bad match making for Joyce, factoring in his position in the game at the time of the first fight'. Joyce in order to win this rematch, has to take the fight into the second half 'And somehow minimize the damage sustained, because he will most likely be getting whacked again at some point'. Note: I have even theorized the Parker fight may have chronically effected Joyce 'Parker is a solid puncher, in my opinion rated in the top - 8 most powerful punchers at Heavyweight'. I think the Zhang I fight was bad matching making, after such a damaging fight vs Parker 'This is the third fight now in a row, where Joyce potentially will yet again be in another brutal fight' etc.

I find it very strange ( well not really we’re on boxing scene ) posters think Joyce just walks in like Frankenstein with hands down slow footed ,if you’d listen to most boxing pundits and actually studied his fights you’d know they dint really watch much boxing footage either . Go watch the Parker fight ,he only gets hit clean a few times each round sometimes none because he’s picking off shots slipping shots or riding them that and his opponents usually are retreating they usually take more shots per fight ,yes he leaves himself open more in spurts getting hit clean so it causes an exaggerated reaction . You’d think boxers arent supposed to get hit at all when certain fighters take a punch ? Aggressive fighters aren’t supposed to take less punches anyway , yet Joyce brings a total damage on him at a very low level . Yes there’s a few fights like Takam one he takes more then usual but add the rest up he’s hardly aging fast as you’d be led to believe there’s not much mileage really he’s actually doing less because having guys on defensive mode , less is coming back to him minus a shot here and there . The only fight he was severely hit clean in was in fact his last fight but that’s not the norm ,I don’t understand boxing media I really don’t . If Joyce can box like he did vs Parker at 280 , Zhangs definitely going to lose unless he can manage a work rate to match Joyce and there’s no evidence of that if it becomes a fight of volume . people just do not watch fights... it might well be an appreciation thing lol: I used to voluntarily teach at my Son's school, very few tackers, while professionals paying a premium price for the classes seemed to understand the importance of the things they were learning... The analogy is, when we were coming up, there was no Youtube, and it was a major fiasco to tape a class... Now? Any fight you want you have a chance of finding tape of... but like the free class people don't take advantage! Drives me nuts! When I was coming up at 13 my teacher was offering a class for those who wanted to train seriously, no money was involved... I thought I was the luckiest kid that moved to Baltimore! If people would use the resources given they would be a lot better informed, about Joyce included.

He wasn’t get caught plenty he got caught literally with just one clean shot in the first round alone and a few more the next round , Parker’s best rnd was round 5 and he still lost lost that round . The rest you posted is a little true but doesn’t change the fact Joyce doesn’t receive to much accumulative damage in fights there’s many others who actually do get hit more but no one talks about it because no one is focused on them they are focused more on a fighting style from a 6”6 footer that comes forward with weird angles and it’s misleading , Mahkmudov for instance has an actual poor defense ability , Chisora has taking more punches to last 5 decades no one ever tells him he’s going to have a short career though and he’s still fighting ? Lol It all comes down to different criteria that suits ppl . I mean if Joyce ever got sparked out like Whyte did to Chisora you’d all be saying it’s time to retire but he’s a warrior, When Joyce takes a single punch everyone acts like it’s the end of the world and he hasn’t been knocked out ever like that . Lol I'm not really concerned yet about Joyce getting knocked out. As I said, he didn't even get dropped. But he gets hit with a lot of lead shots. Very susceptible to the southpaw cross lead. He doesn't tend to get caught by too much follow-up stuff because he's usually fading away from the rear hand, but that's against orthodox opponents. Against Zhang, it's more of a problem. Check my posts and you'll see that I haven't mentioned those others. Don't try to pin that straw man crap on me. Stick to talking Joyce. Facts are that he's susceptible to that first punch because he keeps his head in the same channel when he punches. He's susceptible to southpaw followups because he just does a pull and retreat in a straight line along the rear foot. If he circled out after the initial dip out, he'd get hit way less. He doesn't really parry well. And he didn't make adjustments when Zhang was catching him. Top fighters don't keep getting hit by the same punch over and over again until they get stopped. Hopefully he made adjustments in camp, but he's got major defensive issues, and those don't just get corrected after so many years building bad habits. Fortunately, the heavyweight division isn't the most skilled. In the plus column for him, I don't think Zhang really TKOed him. That was a doctor stoppage. He's tough, and for such a big guy, he has a good gas tank. If he doesn't get stopped in the first 6, chances are he wins the fight due to his late game output and Zhang's poor gas tank.

I find it very strange ( well not really we’re on boxing scene ) posters think Joyce just walks in like Frankenstein with hands down slow footed ,if you’d listen to most boxing pundits and actually studied his fights you’d know they dint really watch much boxing footage either . Go watch the Parker fight ,he only gets hit clean a few times each round sometimes none because he’s picking off shots slipping shots or riding them that and his opponents usually are retreating they usually take more shots per fight ,yes he leaves himself open more in spurts getting hit clean so it causes an exaggerated reaction . You’d think boxers arent supposed to get hit at all when certain fighters take a punch ? Aggressive fighters aren’t supposed to take less punches anyway , yet Joyce brings a total damage on him at a very low level . Yes there’s a few fights like Takam one he takes more then usual but add the rest up he’s hardly aging fast as you’d be led to believe there’s not much mileage really he’s actually doing less because having guys on defensive mode , less is coming back to him minus a shot here and there . The only fight he was severely hit clean in was in fact his last fight but that’s not the norm ,I don’t understand boxing media I really don’t . If Joyce can box like he did vs Parker at 280 , Zhangs definitely going to lose unless he can manage a work rate to match Joyce and there’s no evidence of that if it becomes a fight of volume . Rewatching the Parker fight, which is arguably one of his best performances, he was getting caught plenty. He repeatedly tried to pull back to his rear foot and then retreat in a straight line, which is why he kept getting tagged by Parker's triple jabs. He habitually favors that defense, which puts him right in line with the left hand, which is a big portion of why he was getting tagged repeatedly by Zhang. He rarely takes his head offline. Just leaves it right there in the center. When he did, Parker was tagging him with left hooks. He ate over a hundred power punches in that fight. It would really help him to learn to circle out after that pull retreat. Just that would make a big difference in his ability to maintain his pressure, especially against orthodox fighters. One thing in his favor is that Zhang didn't actually drop him, and that Zhang does gas out pretty fast. So if the doctor doesn't stop the fight, he's got a good chance. But he's going to be eating a lot of leather from Zhang. Zhang has to be hard to prepare for because how are you going to find sparring partners who are southpaw and hit that fast while being that big?

IDK I took Zhang to win last time. This time I'm leaning towards Joyce. Waiting until weigh-in to decide. Maybe even after the ring walks. I've been using that a lot more also. When I saw Spence I was like DAMN!!! He gonna lose. {"data-align":"none","data-size":"medium","data-attachmentid":32011585} {"data-align":"none","data-size":"medium","data-attachmentid":32011586} Post your wins on this fight and tell me what you betting on in the rematcH?

Are we trying to pretend Joyce is a light footed mover with lightning speed or something? Someone's on the good stuff. I think everyone with a functional brain knows he isn't going to learn head movement in a few months (or likely ever). His "defense" has always been to block punches with his face. That's not going to change. He's always been a plodding grinder. That's not going to change. Zhang has always had a suspect gas tank. Joyce's game plan is going to stay the same: win the war of attrition, outlast Zhang, and take over in the back half of the fight. More weight often can help with punch resistance. Doesn't really help with getting your eye caved in, but I don't really see any reason going back to his normal weight would HURT his chances.

The control for center ring will be more battle contested this time . Power didn’t make the overall result it was the speed and Zhang will always have that he’s very fast , Joyce won’t be going into a ring wondering why he’s getting hit clean so much this time . If Joyce times his punches right Zhang is going to be in real big trouble I believe he has to fight a perfect fight to win over Joyce . At the end of the day Joyce can make mistakes just limit them he’s got the gas tank to outlast Zhang . Those few times Zhang took deep breaths after certain shots I suspect they will take its toll sooner then later this time around while Joyce imposes that physical attribute , last time he played the outside boxer and was relying on the jab to get inside the southpaw’s distance which is death sentence trading jabs . Zhang was walking him right in line on the straight left in this one going to Zhangs own left side would work it takes away the power shot he needs a certain long Angle to land he throws it when opponents are moving to the right it he doesn’t land the same shot on the other Angle and that leaves only the left hook to watch for , if your going the other way to his right side the lead hand it’s both punches . Moving to,Zhangs left takes away the direct path of his straight left he lines you up with because he relies on the lead hand in a a cross kind of punch stepping over the line to measure you but we’ll see what he does ? Simple things like this are telling me Joyce is going to win . He doesn’t really throw straight rights squarely they are cross like punches moving his opponents to the right side of him l Controlling the fighting line, the point of entry. I do think the gas tank will become more relevant this time round. I also think Joyce wins this. Your technical points regarding the proper angles, eliminating punches all point to Joyce having to be more defensively responsible, which I think he can do by not letting Zhang walk him into big shots (as you say). Joyce knows he can take the shots...

Most people will struggle to pick Joe Joyce to win. But ask yourself this question? Did you pick him to win for the first fight? I was 50/50 on the first fight, and believed that it was a unnecessary fight for Joyce 'It was not good match making'. Tactically for Joyce to win this rematch, or give himself the best chance. I personally think he should use the same tactics, that he used vs Dubois. Which where a solid jab, and educated movement. He may not be winning all of the rounds, in the first half of the fight 'But by fighting in this manner, he will increase his chances of surviving and not being whacked by Zhang as much'. Then once the fight enters into the second half of the fight, Joyce should revert back to is default settings 'And just bull forward, and really pressurize Zhang's endurance'. I still honestly think stylistically, it is a really difficulty fight for Joyce. As other posters have stated, Zhang is 270-280 pounds potentially on fight night 'And he has good speed, satisfactory boxing skills and punching technique'. Joyce is going to most likely get whacked again. This time around Joyce will just have to minimize the damage sustained, take the fight into the second half of the fight 'Hopefully Joyce will be able to out work and beat up Zhang in the second half'. Joyce has great endurance, but setting a high violent pace vs a fighter like Zhang who's power is right on the edge of Joyce's durability threshold 'Is a different game to fighting fighters like Parker'. I think Joyce will try and out box Zhang, and maybe slowly amp up the pace as the rounds progress 'That is only if his minimized sustained damage'. Note: Zhang has pretty much been the first fighter to vividly damage Joyce 'But I think Parker actually damaged Joyce a lot, I saw interviews during the aftermath of that fight and Joyce was clearly battered' etc.

Joyce is the goods, he may have taken Zheng to lightly. We will see.

The control for center ring will be more battle contested this time . Power didn’t make the overall result it was the speed and Zhang will always have that he’s very fast , Joyce won’t be going into a ring wondering why he’s getting hit clean so much this time . If Joyce times his punches right Zhang is going to be in real big trouble I believe he has to fight a perfect fight to win over Joyce . At the end of the day Joyce can make mistakes just limit them he’s got the gas tank to outlast Zhang . Those few times Zhang took deep breaths after certain shots I suspect they will take its toll sooner then later this time around while Joyce imposes that physical attribute , last time he played the outside boxer and was relying on the jab to get inside the southpaw’s distance which is death sentence trading jabs . Zhang was walking him right in line on the straight left in this one going to Zhangs own left side would work it takes away the power shot he needs a certain long Angle to land he throws it when opponents are moving to the right it he doesn’t land the same shot on the other Angle and that leaves only the left hook to watch for , if your going the other way to his right side the lead hand it’s both punches . Moving to,Zhangs left takes away the direct path of his straight left he lines you up with because he relies on the lead hand in a a cross kind of punch stepping over the line to measure you but we’ll see what he does ? Simple things like this are telling me Joyce is going to win . He doesn’t really throw straight rights squarely they are cross like punches moving his opponents to the right side of him l Good analysis

Joyce was getting out boxed while doing more damage against DDD . He boxed better against Zhang because there was less movement on the other side . Zhang is 280 that’s the only reason you saw the fight unfold like it did . Moving a guy back and where you want him is the necessity of Joyce’s success . Joyce is more then likely going to punish Zhang to the body more and physically wear him down this time and get that late stoppage . Exactly. The "Musashi" strategy... You may be better, stronger, faster, but if I can make you back up, you lose most of your attributes. Joyce has to be able to move Zhang to be effective. Holyfield did it to Tyson, same idea, instead of moving back and away from the attack, push into the attack, Holyfield made Tyson off balanced, so his shots had no power. Joyce has got to do the same thing imo.

You do realise he lost 15lbs for the first fight, so if he has put on weight, hes just going to his normal weight? Sorry, but you are an awful poster. All of your posts lack any sort of depth and knowledge. Just childish nonsense. OOHHHH!!!!! (Toney Soprano voice)

Joyce could improve his speed by 90% and he'd still be one of the slowest heavyweights out there First time I saw a Joyce fight, it was against an equally slow HW. As I'm watching, I'm thinking, is this in slow mo? am I lagging? Nope, Joyce is so damn slow lol, but he managed to rack up an impressive streak until he met Zhang.

The weight drop in the first fight could've affected his punch resistance. I don't see Joyce changing who he is and suddenly start being quick on his feet with head movement, it just isn't going to happen. If he can get through Zhang's onslaught in the first half without getting KO'd or having his eye shut, he can definitely take over in the second half as Zhang gasses. It won't be easy and Joyce's style of just walking through everything might be catching up to him at his age.

Roided 275lb Joyce who fought Parker was a titan He was light against Zhang and being lighter did nothing for him. He had to be a late fight relentless titan to beat Zhang and has to box to perfection early doors.

Bigger, smaller or the same, if he don't move, he's going to get hurt again. Zhang hasn't got the fastest hands in boxing but he's too fast for Joyce to stand and trade with.