We had a thread like this for Inoue and I'd be curious to hear opinions on the same subject for Crawford. World champ at 135 and undisputed at both 140 and 147.
Personally I have no doubt he can become a champ at 154, I'd probably even pick him to beat everyone at that weight tomorrow, with only Jermell feeling like a tough fight.
160 is where I think he'd start to feel a difference in the size and strength of the guys he's fighting, but that weight class is so weak right now, I feel very confident he could win a belt there. Vincenzo Gualtieri and ancient Erislandy Lara are champs at 160 for Christ's sake.
What about 168? That's a longgggg ways up and might be a bridge too far imo. Perhaps with careful matching, he could win a belt there, considering it is generally a thin division after a few at the top. I'm sure Crawford would handle a guy like Bazinyan or Murdock or something for a vacant title, but I can't imagine him fighting Benavidez for example. Guys like Plant, Andrade and both Charlo's would be very interesting future opponents though imo.
I'm not gonna entertain the thought of 175 personally, but I'm interested to hear what other people think.
he would be fine at 154, his cheeks were sunken in at the final presser, like 24 hours or more before the weigh in. he is large welter and cutting a lot to make 147
Crawford looked incredible at 147 but honestly, idk about 154, I think that might be pushing it for T-Bud.
I don't know what some of you are seeing that I'm not seeing but Crawford doesn't look at all like a big welter to me. He looks to be nearly exactly the same size as Floyd was at welter. Maybe he could dabble occasionally at 154 but he's an average sized welter to my eyes
There isn't much difference in their physical dimensions. The major difference is power. Floyd's hands didn't allow him to devastate his opponents the way Crawford can. Crawford is capable of stopping the likes of Tszyu and Castaño.
A foolish thing for them to say, as he's only had one fight at 122. Now some idiotic fans are gonna run with it and claim Inoue is ducking Davis when the fight doesn't happen.
That's a sickening fight to even imagine imo, would hate if something like that comes to fruition. Personally, I want to see Inoue have 3 more fights at 122 (Tapales, Nery, MJ) in whatever order and then move to 126
Hell Yes! To be fair it was actually Inoue team who brought it up saying that is the only guy Inoue would go up for and said that would be a Big PPV Fight in America
A foolish thing for them to say, as he's only had one fight at 122. Now some idiotic fans are gonna run with it and claim Inoue is ducking Davis when the fight doesn't happen.
Are people truly asking for that? That is ridiculous.
Hell Yes! To be fair it was actually Inoue team who brought it up saying that is the only guy Inoue would go up for and said that would be a Big PPV Fight in America
I don't know what some of you are seeing that I'm not seeing but Crawford doesn't look at all like a big welter to me. He looks to be nearly exactly the same size as Floyd was at welter. Maybe he could dabble occasionally at 154 but he's an average sized welter to my eyes
if I'm Bud, Spence was talking about fighting Canelo well hell let Bud get that shot and Mega Payday with Canelo he has nothing to lose Legacy Cemented as 2x Undisputed jump to 168 for Canelo like Jermell and gets paid at the very least and if you lose who cares comeback down still undisputed king at 147
another Undisputed vs Undisputed Fight after Canelo beats Jermell Charlo
We asking Inoue to fight Tank so why not Canelo vs Bud
Are people truly asking for that? That is ridiculous.
Jermell coming off an injury and hasn't been making big money at 154...he's ready to cash out against Canelo. Jermall's personal life and career are a hot mess, who knows what the hell he'll do next. Neither guy wants to be potential target practice for Crawford.
Yeah, unfortunate the direction both those careers have gone. I've never been a huge fan of either guy, but they've both taken challenges and come through them, Jermell especially won a lot of fights I didn't think he'd win. But both guys have gone sour as you pointed out, no activity and avoiding potentially dangerous challenges for what looks like a go big or cash out scenario. Just sucks that they are holding up both of their own divisions by doing it
I'm also curious to see the energy the Charlo brothers have after their boy Spence got beatdown, you'd think they'd want the vengeance play, but it appears they are already setting that up with Canelo. I kinda have a feeling we will never see Jermell fight at 154 again and we will never see Jermall fight at 160 again.
Jermell coming off an injury and hasn't been making big money at 154...he's ready to cash out against Canelo. Jermall's personal life and career are a hot mess, who knows what the hell he'll do next. Neither guy wants to be potential target practice for Crawford.
Crawford is getting old and he has nothing to prove. Now is the time he should start trying to max out those revenues. Go fight in the middle east for fifty million.
Against whom? Which guys do you think he should target from here on out for those kinda paydays?
Crawford is getting old and he has nothing to prove. Now is the time he should start trying to max out those revenues. Go fight in the middle east for fifty million.
if I'm Bud, Spence was talking about fighting Canelo well hell let Bud get that shot and Mega Payday with Canelo he has nothing to lose Legacy Cemented as 2x Undisputed jump to 168 for Canelo like Jermell and gets paid at the very least and if you lose who cares comeback down still undisputed king at 147
another Undisputed vs Undisputed Fight after Canelo beats Jermell Charlo
We asking Inoue to fight Tank so why not Canelo vs Bud
I do think that Crawford is pretty much playing with house money at this point. Other than some shock loss at 147, everything else on the horizon is just bonus points for to his career and won't really take away from what he has achieved. Any L's he takes at 154 or above will likely be written off as him being too small or too old, so there's really nothing to lose challenging any guys above 147, his legacy is cemented at 147 and below
160? Seems crazy until you look at who’s holding belts there now but he might not have enough time in the sport left for that anyway
This is true, he'd have to fast track it if that was his goal, I always forget Crawford is a couple years older than I seem to think. Probably only goes for a belt at 160 if he is A. really chasing legacy achievements or B. is towards the end of his career and thinks he can steal a belt at one more weight. Still not gonna rule it out, but does seem a bit less likely than I initially thought, a lot hinges on what Jermell does post-Canelo imo
IDK about undisputed because motivation plays a factor. Crawford had YEARS of built-up frustration to unleash on Spence. Would TC be motivated against the likes of Janibek and Gualtieri? He has the skill/talent, but it takes a higher level of hunger to face no-names. I could see TC being motivated against Jermall and Lara.
The plan has to be 154. Crawford beat the brakes off Horn, so a Tszyu fight in Australia is marketable. If TC beats Tszyu in Australia, that would be a clear sign that Jermell needs to see him.
I'm also curious to see the energy the Charlo brothers have after their boy Spence got beatdown, you'd think they'd want the vengeance play, but it appears they are already setting that up with Canelo. I kinda have a feeling we will never see Jermell fight at 154 again and we will never see Jermall fight at 160 again.
160? Seems crazy until you look at who’s holding belts there now but he might not have enough time in the sport left for that anyway
He's 35, not 40. He has time. He hasn't taken a huge amount of damage in his career.
If I'm Crawford I go to 154 for sure. Nobody at 147 does anything for his resume. If he has to wait on Charlo then fine, fight Tszyu or Mendoza for their interim belts.
Or fight a name in his first fight at 154 like Thurman, Trout, or Smith while he waits for Charlo.
Yeah, another thing that came into my mind is that, basically every fight from here on out for Crawford is just to add to the legacy. 3 weight world champ and undisputed at two weights, not much can really detract from him at this point, it's just how many more achievements can he add to the list. Maybe if he beats Boots at 147 and Ennis goes on to become a HOF level guy himself, that will do a lot in retrospect, but there aren't any other fights at 147 that would really move the needle on his career when all is said and done. I think I'm immediately going to 154 if I am him as well and pushing all the sanctioning bodies to see whom will grant me a title shot right out of the gate.
if I'm Bud, Spence was talking about fighting Canelo well hell let Bud get that shot and Mega Payday with Canelo he has nothing to lose Legacy Cemented as 2x Undisputed jump to 168 for Canelo like Jermell and gets paid at the very least and if you lose who cares comeback down still undisputed king at 147
another Undisputed vs Undisputed Fight after Canelo beats Jermell Charlo
We asking Inoue to fight Tank so why not Canelo vs Bud
We had a thread like this for Inoue and I'd be curious to hear opinions on the same subject for Crawford. World champ at 135 and undisputed at both 140 and 147.
Personally I have no doubt he can become a champ at 154, I'd probably even pick him to beat everyone at that weight tomorrow, with only Jermell feeling like a tough fight.
160 is where I think he'd start to feel a difference in the size and strength of the guys he's fighting, but that weight class is so weak right now, I feel very confident he could win a belt there. Vincenzo Gualtieri and ancient Erislandy Lara are champs at 160 for Christ's sake.
What about 168? That's a longgggg ways up and might be a bridge too far imo. Perhaps with careful matching, he could win a belt there, considering it is generally a thin division after a few at the top. I'm sure Crawford would handle a guy like Bazinyan or Murdock or something for a vacant title, but I can't imagine him fighting Benavidez for example. Guys like Plant, Andrade and both Charlo's would be very interesting future opponents though imo.
I'm not gonna entertain the thought of 175 personally, but I'm interested to hear what other people think.
Hed stop canelo. Let canelo miss and gas himself a bit, then start landing flush. Its a skill thing