Golovkin was attacked also many times over. Same people now say of Jermell's case, "Well, this is higher risk than Tzsyu, you can't attack him for that." as if the Tzsyu fight got the same reward.
But small Kell was brave enough to fight GGG. Nobody said he's brave. But here, these Charlos are 6 foot tall and their fans say they're brave to fight 5'8" tall TheFaceOfBoxing.
Definitely, much respect to Kell for going up against the prime version of Golovkin. The big disadvantage for the Charlos is that Jermell has been out of action for 18 months and Jermall has been out for 2 years.
No but still better than the bums Brook fought by far. And he beat Porter and Garcia within a year. His fight with Porter was much better none of the hugging Brook loved doing
Thurman is an entertaining fighter. Even at this late stage of his career I would still want to see him with all the top dogs in the division. And I'm still a huge fan. Even if Brook and Thurman wanted the fight at that time it would still not have been made because of promotional differences. I can accept that.
He was supposed to fight his mandatory spence that year. He lied to fans that he is being avoided at welterweight and couldn't get fights the same way ggg was avoided at middleweight. which was a lie as well. He took the fight with ggg and then tried to avoid the spence fight after that, but was forced to do it or get stripped of his belts. He could have fought spence at a 100% had he not took that ggg fight.
That's a load of bullcrap. Read post #43 of this page for the explanation. You can check out the timeline on the web if you like. And read the previous pages in this thread.
He was supposed to fight his mandatory spence that year. He lied to fans that he is being avoided at welterweight and couldn't get fights the same way ggg was avoided at middleweight. which was a lie as well. He took the fight with ggg and then tried to avoid the spence fight after that, but was forced to do it or get stripped of his belts. He could have fought spence at a 100% had he not took that ggg fight.
You need to stop this nonsense.
Thurman wanted no part of either Brook or Khan. That's the truth. And when I say Thurman is a typical PBC fighter, it's Haymon who approves fights for them. Thurman himself said he was normally given a list of names. It's on youtube if it's still available.
Thurman himself fought a long list of bums before he stepped up and fought Porter. Look at the names he fought: Zaveck, Chavez, Karass, Diaz, Bundu, washed-up Guerrero, Collazo, etc. Are those names impressive to you?
No but still better than the bums Brook fought by far. And he beat Porter and Garcia within a year. His fight with Porter was much better none of the hugging Brook loved doing
Wrong Thurman said in 16 and 17 he wanted to. Brook and Eddie never seriously wanted to. You need to stop this nonsense.
Thurman wanted no part of either Brook or Khan. That's the truth. And when I say Thurman is a typical PBC fighter, it's Haymon who approves fights for them. Thurman himself said he was normally given a list of names. It's on youtube if it's still available.
Thurman himself fought a long list of bums before he stepped up and fought Porter. Look at the names he fought: Zaveck, Chavez, Karass, Diaz, Bundu, washed-up Guerrero, Collazo, etc. Are those names impressive to you?
Nah. Not when Kell and Hearn finally realized they're not getting the Khan sweepstakes. It was Thurman who had no interest in fighting Brook, who was holding a title. He couldn't even mention his name. Thurman also wanted no part of Khan, who was with PBC at that time and was an established name. Thurman is a typical PBC fighter. So I now understand looking back.
Wrong Thurman said in 16 and 17 he wanted to. Brook and Eddie never seriously wanted to. I all ready mentioned to you Brooks THREE defences even if you put aside mando, you can't tell me that is a guy and promoter who want the big names. GGG was a payday and was expected to lose. Spence he had to fight as was mando so either that or drop the belt. Like i said 1 decent win in Porter ill give him credit for even though he spent a lot of it hugging.
Khan would have beat Brook if it happened in 2015. Thurman would have beat him in 2017 and beat him today
I clearly remember Brook and Spence did back-and-forth exchanges on social media. (Thurman and Garcia just completed their fight at that time.)
Spence being the only PBC guy available, Brook wanted the fight right away, but Earl had to fight Bundu first as already mentioned. And that was what I was wondering about back then. Why Spence won't go directly to the Brook fight and just cancel the Bundu fight.
Brook got impatient, can no longer wait and fought Golovkin. Fast forward when their respective fights were over, Spence became the one pressing for the fight. But Kell was still nursing an eye injury and couldn't even train properly. In the end the Sheffield boxer relented due to pressures, even though he's still the A-side. Jermell would have taken a year to schedule the fight, or find an escape route like we've seen.
There was no way Eddie was letting him fight Thurman anyway Thurman would have beat him.
Nah. Not when Kell and Hearn finally realized they're not getting the Khan sweepstakes. It was Thurman who had no interest in fighting Brook, who was holding a title. He couldn't even mention his name. Thurman also wanted no part of Khan, who was with PBC at that time and was an established name. Thurman is a typical PBC fighter. So I now understand looking back.
There were better fights for him at 147lb. No one was calling on him to fight Golovkin. He let his obsession with Khan derail his career.
Exactly! Didn’t he and Khan compete to see who could get knocked out the best in 2016??? Khan moved up to MW to get his clock cleaned by Canelo and Brook moved up to MW to get destroyed by Golovkin a few months later.
I swear those guys are weird! “Hey, if Khan can move up to MW and get knocked out, maybe I can do the same and win the fans over!” - Kell Brook (just my thoughts)
Interesting part missing in this thread was Kell Brook, before the GGG fight, was calling out Thurman,
Broner, Garcia, even Spence who was not ready at that time and had to fight Bundu first.
In other words, Hearn and Brook were desperate for fights, but not a single one from the PBC camp was interested.
Thurman in particular was gaining momentum and was the real target, but anyone could have gotten it
but they're not interested.
And at that time Hearn was severely criticized for lining up bums for Brook after securing a belt held by Porter.
The last bum Brook fought was a Canadian, I don't remember his name, and fans have had enough.
Hearn and Brook wanted PBC guys but were turned down, and it so happened that GGG's negotiations with Eubank went sour.
The rest is boxing history and is general knowledge.
There was no way Eddie was letting him fight Thurman anyway Thurman would have beat him. To me Brook was over rated. Eddie always put him in with journyeman. Then he finally got the Porter shot, which was his only great win and even then i remember that being a **** fight with a lot of clinching. After that i thought finally he might be stepping up, yet what happened, try to blame pbc if you want but what happened is he went back to UK and over the next 2 years as champ defences were vs Jo Jo Dan, Gavin and Bizier awful 3 match ups you can't tell me outside of pbc or haymon fighters those were the best 3 he could find. A lot of his career (like all ready mentioned) revolved on basically being obsessed over khan as that was always going to be his biggest payday. Reason fight didn't happen earlier is Brook always thought he was bigger than he is when he wasn't anywhere close to being a known name as Khan.
Then came GGG, should he have took it, probably not, Eddie made it cause he needed a big fight asap. But i don't 100% believe if he didn't his career would have gone much better. Like i mentioned before that he had 1 good name and 1 good win, a scrappy fight against Porter.
He then quit against Spence in his hometown. People tried to blame the GGG fight but Spence broke his OTHER eye it wasn't even the same one
Khan was fully washed by the time they fought, they both were, just made Brook look that much better that Khan was even more washed and done with boxing.
Another reason why i don't give him much credit as few interviews he mentioned drained at 147 and time to move up. When he eventually did move up to 154 or the catchweights above 147, he went back to doing what he does fight journeymen, Zerafa, DeLuca, Rabchenko. He fought literally no one half decent even at 154, even when if i remember right Hurd and Harrison were champions and im sure i remember both of them saying they were willing to fight Brook. Brook never even tried and claimed Charlo wasn't a big enough name.
Interesting part missing in this thread was Kell Brook, before the GGG fight, was calling out Thurman,
Broner, Garcia, even Spence who was not ready at that time and had to fight Bundu first.
In other words, Hearn and Brook were desperate for fights, but not a single one from the PBC camp was interested.
Thurman in particular was gaining momentum and was the real target, but anyone could have gotten it
but they're not interested.
And at that time Hearn was severely criticized for lining up bums for Brook after securing a belt held by Porter.
The last bum Brook fought was a Canadian, I don't remember his name, and fans have had enough.
Hearn and Brook wanted PBC guys but were turned down, and it so happened that GGG's negotiations with Eubank went sour.
The rest is boxing history and is general knowledge.
True. Eddie offered 4 mill to Thurman and Garcia in unifications but they were turned down to instead fight each other for 1 mill apiece. There was the Vargas unification, but he wanted far too much money. Vargas was offered more than double his biggest payday and even had his team asking why he turned down such a great offer and ask for more. It didn't leave much in the pot for Kell.
That's the thing with cowards and frauds. They disgrace this sport as they dictate it and turn it into a cesspit. It's a sport for gladiators. Not limp-wristed mental midgets.
this is widely regarded as the dumbest move in boxing history
Kell was a blue chip prospect at the time of the fight. it was so stupid, never seen anything like it tbh. Even Floyd Mayweather Sr gave props to Kell Brook. Saying dude had potential to be great. he can box. etc
Prince Hamed was huge on Kell.
Brook fought him because Khan signed to fight Canelo.
But what should have happened was Canelo-GGG and Khan-Brook.
But at the time, Canelo didn’t want GGG and Khan definitely didn’t want Brook.
Both fights were a waste of time.
Bingo.
We were expecting GGG to fight Eubank Jr. Eubank ducked the fight. When GGG-Book was announced, the response was "What is this horse shit?"
It looked for awhile that he might pull off the upset.
It looked for a while he might die in the ring had Dominic Ingle not waved the towel.
Golovkin was walking in with his hands down. Brook didn't have to power to trouble Golovkin with his hardest shot.
Directly after fight, it wasn't obvious how much that took out of brook, the talk was more about how brook might have damaged ggg? The talk was of how well brook did and that brook could move back down to 147, no problem?
But injuries disrupt your momentum and training, so brook not able to perform quite at same level again
People were expecting Golovkin-Eubank Jr to be announced. But as expected Eubank ducked the fights.
Brook took that fight because he got a massive payday and got to keep his title even if he lost. All reward no risk.
Golovkin was at the height of his power. Nothing interesting about the fight. Just a cash out.
Brook fought him because Khan signed to fight Canelo.
But what should have happened was Canelo-GGG and Khan-Brook.
But at the time, Canelo didn’t want GGG and Khan definitely didn’t want Brook.
Both fights were a waste of time.
Khan told Brook on sky tv's ringside show "go to America and win a belt and ill fight you" but he was talking bs and Brook spent too long waiting for the Khan fight and there was nothing at 147 for him other than a lot of euro bums until things fell in place and Hearn could no longer sell that to the public and a space opened when Eubank lost his pen
it was a stupid move for Brook he could have been a player at 147 if he waited but still huge balls stepping in with GGG when he was smashing everyone in his path and he gave a good account of himself while it lasted. He started lighting Golovkin up with some beautiful shots but sadly they had no effect and in the end he started to get smashed up but props to him ending the fight on his feet still even with a broken face
This was mentioned in the previous pages. Brook and Hearn realizing they will never get the Khan fight, with almost 2 years of waiting, they DID start calling out PBC fighters like Thurman, Garcia, Broner, etc. No one was interested. They also called out Spence, but was preparing for his Bundu fight at that time. Spence could have canceled that fight and gone directly to the Brook fight, but he's hell bent on fighting Bundu first. Things changed drastically when Brook fought Golovkin 2 weight classes up.
Khan told Brook on sky tv's ringside show "go to America and win a belt and ill fight you" but he was talking bs and Brook spent too long waiting for the Khan fight and there was nothing at 147 for him other than a lot of euro bums until things fell in place and Hearn could no longer sell that to the public and a space opened when Eubank lost his pen
it was a stupid move for Brook he could have been a player at 147 if he waited but still huge balls stepping in with GGG when he was smashing everyone in his path and he gave a good account of himself while it lasted. He started lighting Golovkin up with some beautiful shots but sadly they had no effect and in the end he started to get smashed up but props to him ending the fight on his feet still even with a broken face