Yeah I was saying to Koba last night he was a poor mans version of Jeff Lacy. I had a decent bet on Hopkins to beat him, 6/4 he was. Even at 48, I knew he’d box circles around him.
You’re bang on, absolutely correct. I know the odds were 6/4 because I had £5000 on it myself.
If I had more balls I’d have bet my whole bank account on it.
To me, Hopkins being an underdog against Tavoris Cloud was the most sure fire, 100% guaranteed free money I’ve ever seen.
Garbage! Why not order Callum Smith vs Joshua Buatsi for Interim instead
Matchroom actually lobbied for that as well. I still wouldn’t rule it out tbh.
I think they did remove Cloud after that embarrassingly one-sided loss to Stevenson
Bear in mind he was coming off a shutout loss to Hopkins and practically a shutout loss to Campillo where they robbed him. So as good as three losses. Even his win against Yusuf Mack before that he was losing before he pulled out the KO.
But in fairness Tavoris Cloud is one of the worst "World Champions" in the history of boxing for my money.
Yeah I was saying to Koba last night he was a poor mans version of Jeff Lacy. I had a decent bet on Hopkins to beat him, 6/4 he was. Even at 48, I knew he’d box circles around him.
They dont have to force bivol. If canelo says he wants bivol next. Then bivol will fight canelo next.
If canelo duck the rematch then it's on to the next
I know that but Bivol been saying recently that he is not interested and he wants Undisputed with Betebiev and then now this happens
Cloud and Campillo were both ranked top 10 by Ring in the past. So they actually both have 5. Bivol might actually have 6 cause I’d guess Chilemba was top 10 at some point.
Campillo was ranked top 10 when Artur beat him, he was coming off an upset win over Thomas Williams Jr. Cloud possibly was too, he was coming off a loss to Stevenson but I don’t think Ring would have demoted him out of the top 10 for that.
As for making him a bigger star, maybe in the UK, but in the context of world boxing I don’t think wins over Yarde and Smith do that much for him. I don’t think it makes Beterbiev vs Bivol any more interesting.
I think they did remove Cloud after that embarrassingly one-sided loss to Stevenson
Bear in mind he was coming off a shutout loss to Hopkins and practically a shutout loss to Campillo where they robbed him. So as good as three losses. Even his win against Yusuf Mack before that he was losing before he pulled out the KO.
But in fairness Tavoris Cloud is one of the worst "World Champions" in the history of boxing for my money.
Garbage! Why not order Callum Smith vs Joshua Buatsi for Interim instead
Seems a bit strange or are they purposely trying to keep him busy to try and force Bivol to take the Canelo rematch which he really doesn't have to take but without Beterbiev to do Undisputed with, that is really the only good matchup for Bivol Currently. 175 is only strong at the top with Betebiev and Bivol but after that it is a very thin Division
They dont have to force bivol. If canelo says he wants bivol next. Then bivol will fight canelo next.
If canelo duck the rematch then it's on to the next
Garbage! Why not order Callum Smith vs Joshua Buatsi for Interim instead
Seems a bit strange or are they purposely trying to keep him busy to try and force Bivol to take the Canelo rematch which he really doesn't have to take but without Beterbiev to do Undisputed with, that is really the only good matchup for Bivol Currently. 175 is only strong at the top with Betebiev and Bivol but after that it is a very thin Division
Both Campillo and Cloud were former world champions (in fact Campillo was blatantly robbed vs Cloud which is how Tavoris got his title) but both were past their best by the time they fought Artur. And yeah Chilemba absolutely was top 10 for a good while... I'd personally put Isaac roughly on a par with Campillo and both slightly above Cloud.
Bivol and Beterbiev really ain't that far apart although I'd rate Gvozdyk as the best win between em, it's just Bivol is the dude of right now, made people sit up and take notice this year... got that recency bias thing going on.
I’m sure Cloud won the title against Clinton Woods you know mate. I was a bit of a Woods fan back in the day and his last fight was against Cloud for the vacant IBF title. Think Tarver or Dawson had vacated.
Cloud was like a poor mans Jeff Lacy, very one dimensional, I remember getting 6/4 on Hopkins to beat him, which was an absolute steal.
Agree on Bivol and Beterbiev, two top quality fighters, I don’t really have a horse in the race I just want to see them fight.
Genuinely feel for Mundo here... I know the Smith brothers are all game so it ain't likely but for both his own sake and the sake of the fans I'm kinda hoping he'll duck this one.
Cloud and Campillo were both ranked top 10 by Ring in the past. So they actually both have 5. Bivol might actually have 6 cause I’d guess Chilemba was top 10 at some point.
Campillo was ranked top 10 when Artur beat him, he was coming off an upset win over Thomas Williams Jr. Cloud possibly was too, he was coming off a loss to Stevenson but I don’t think Ring would have demoted him out of the top 10 for that.
As for making him a bigger star, maybe in the UK, but in the context of world boxing I don’t think wins over Yarde and Smith do that much for him. I don’t think it makes Beterbiev vs Bivol any more interesting.
Both Campillo and Cloud were former world champions (in fact Campillo was blatantly robbed vs Cloud which is how Tavoris got his title) but both were past their best by the time they fought Artur. And yeah Chilemba absolutely was top 10 for a good while... I'd personally put Isaac roughly on a par with Campillo and both slightly above Cloud.
Bivol and Beterbiev really ain't that far apart although I'd rate Gvozdyk as the best win between em, it's just Bivol is the dude of right now, made people sit up and take notice this year... got that recency bias thing going on.
Beterbiev has Gvozdyk, Smith jr. Browne, Cloud (on his 6th bout), Campillo (On his 8th bout), Koelling, Johnson, Kalajdzic... all ex-champs or top 20 Box Rec ... Your point again ? :cool:
Oh , that was fughin harsh
Lmfao
If Beterbiev beats Yarde and Smith, he will be in better position in Bivol negotiations.
Bivol if far bigger star now. Bivol beat Smith jr., Pascal, Barrera, Ramirez, Richards, that means 5 guys that are or were ranked top 10 by the Ring at some point in division.
Beterbiev has Gvozdyk, Smith jr. Browne.
Beterbiev has Gvozdyk, Smith jr. Browne, Cloud (on his 6th bout), Campillo (On his 8th bout), Koelling, Johnson, Kalajdzic... all ex-champs or top 20 Box Rec ... Your point again ? :cool:
Not a big deal - the WBC would allow a unification. Might have to grease a few palms but it's not a roadblock.
Arum implied recently he'd let Beterbiev go to DAZN for the unification fight. Didn't say it outright but suggested he'd allow it.
I think it's very likely the fight happens.