What do these fighter's have in common?

Bottom line, if these two fighters really want to fight each other, they'll make it happen. All this he said, she said crap is irrelevant.

Did a quick search but couldn't find the article,almost certain that's what was put out. Let's see if another poster can find/link it here. Sound man, no worries. Let me know if you find it.

You got a link? I’ve been searching for the split for a while and can’t find it anywhere. I don’t think it’s been disclosed tbh. Did a quick search but couldn't find the article,almost certain that's what was put out. Let's see if another poster can find/link it here.

The split was mentioned in an article here,don't recall which but it's here. As far as that poster One Punch(Terry Trekas?) idk,guy appears legit to me.... You got a link? I’ve been searching for the split for a while and can’t find it anywhere. I don’t think it’s been disclosed tbh.

Where are you getting the 35% figure from? I doubt any ex-promoters post on forums tbh mate. The split was mentioned in an article here,don't recall which but it's here. As far as that poster One Punch(Terry Trekas?) idk,guy appears legit to me....

Of course 35%ppv split. He agreed to get bent over and was going to bet on himself by agreeing to the zero gaurantee and smaller percentage but Al DIDNT WANT HIM TO HAVE ACCESS TO HIS BOOKS/ PAYOUT.....why are you trying to gloss over that huge discrepancy?? No person in thier right mind will ever, or should ever, agree to something that pertinent to one's pay if that's how your offer is structured. We have that one poster "One Punch" on here,an ex promoter who's copromoted with the biggest promotional outfits in the game saying that's something no other promoter has,would've or should've agreed to including PBC themselves. Bud is representing himself and is doing exactly what he should be doing. Where are you getting the 35% figure from? I doubt any ex-promoters post on forums tbh mate.

Yordenis Ugas, Danny Garcia, Mikey Garcia, Kel Brook, Shawn Porter, Carlos Ocampo and Lamont Peters on? Answer is not just that they all fought Errol Spence over the last 5 years but that they were all given a guarantee on their split of a deal with Errol Spence. Terrence Crawford was not. You can pretend all you want that Al Haymon the savior and worship him like ******ed sheep but it's very very clear that he sabotaged any chance of this fight being made just like he has done with other Boxers and other fights. Respectfully, they were PBC boxers that worked for Haymon. Crawford doesnt.

Where did you get the 35% from? Do you mean 35% of the PPV split? Honestly that’s not that bad of a deal, I think that translates into around $15m if not more. He hasn’t bet on himself. He’s fighting Avanesyan on an app instead of Spence in a mega fight. That’s not betting on yourself. I’m a massive Crawford fan but he made the wrong choice here IMO. He doesn’t have the time to waste either which makes all the more frustrating. Of course 35%ppv split. He agreed to get bent over and was going to bet on himself by agreeing to the zero gaurantee and smaller percentage but Al DIDNT WANT HIM TO HAVE ACCESS TO HIS BOOKS/ PAYOUT.....why are you trying to gloss over that huge discrepancy?? No person in thier right mind will ever, or should ever, agree to something that pertinent to one's pay if that's how your offer is structured. We have that one poster "One Punch" on here,an ex promoter who's copromoted with the biggest promotional outfits in the game saying that's something no other promoter has,would've or should've agreed to including PBC themselves. Bud is representing himself and is doing exactly what he should be doing.

With the strange ceiling talk, does Al think Spence is going to somehow make $50 million on this fight? I don't think this fight is big enough for that kind of payout for either fighter. They've been averaging around $5-6 million with $10 million as Spences highest against Mikey (that's $8 million + ppvb's exceeding). Spence getting $25 million with points on ppvb's is an excellent deal for what he's worth. That's what I'm thinking. I realize each of them wants to cash out with a big payday to risk their "0", but it's not happening. Neither of them are PPV stars, and the days of PPV stars are few and far between. They think they are worth a big 9-digit payday, and someone needs to sit them down and explain how this works. It reminds of women's boxing and Shields complaining about the difference in compensation between male and female boxers. No one cares about women's boxing, so where is the revenue going to come from if they can't sell PPV or even pull in decent ratings?

Gtfo. Fury and Canelo weren’t in their prime?

Canelo-Plant? Wilder-Fury? Gtfo.

When has PBC made a 50-50 fight vs someone not PBC? Two top lvl, prime guys, without inactivity, age, recently ko’d, dropping weight etc etc. Canelo-Plant? Wilder-Fury?

When has PBC made a 50-50 fight vs someone not PBC? Two top lvl, prime guys, without inactivity, age, recently ko’d, dropping weight etc etc.

He was going to bet on himself man,he agreed to a "0" gaurantee and only 35% of the split! Never has there been a fight of this magnitude(relatively) structured this way. Hell even Haney recieved a $10mil gaurantee to fight freakin Kambo.Bud asked for one simple request which was to have access to the events books and rightfully so because it effects his bottom line. Haymon says no,why,who the hell knows so Bud takes the bird in hand. How much more would you have next over at that point? Bud isn't in this game for charity or is obligated to because of PBC's inability to offer a better deal. Where did you get the 35% from? Do you mean 35% of the PPV split? Honestly that’s not that bad of a deal, I think that translates into around $15m if not more. He hasn’t bet on himself. He’s fighting Avanesyan on an app instead of Spence in a mega fight. That’s not betting on yourself. I’m a massive Crawford fan but he made the wrong choice here IMO. He doesn’t have the time to waste either which makes all the more frustrating.

The Porter father and son team used to get that brunt of dislike from uncle Al Haymon. He didn't like them. The Porters wanted better paycheck when Shawn was holding a title. I don't think uncle Al gave in. I think the PBC chief doesn't like the Crawford/Bomac team. They like guys they can easily manipulate and persuade. Sad to say but its much easier fooling some poor Mexican with a lil charisma and words like "National Pride" and "Legacy." You aren't foolin a well off brotha like that, $ is attached to those words.

1 dollar. :lol1: Don’t be ridiculous. Crawford would have made good money fighting Spence, multimillions no doubt. Was it less than he deserved? Probably, but it still would have been a big payday. Crawford would have obviously been told his forecasted pay based on performance based criteria. I’d love to know what it was but obviously that kind of stuff will remain disclosed. Tbh man, I just think you’re using this as a vehicle to push your agenda against PBC/Haymon. I think Al is definitely at fault in some respect but the failed negotiations don’t solely fall on him. The structure of the deal was definitely dodgy too but I have no doubt Crawford would have still earned good money. I’m a massive Crawford fan but he’s definitely at fault too. He’s the guy that withdrew from negotiations as well to sign with Triller 2.0 or whatever they’re called to fight Avanesyan. He’s just wasting the limited prime he has left with meaningless fights like that. I wish Crawford would have just bet on himself man, take the smaller slice of the pie, beat Spence and then you’re the guy with the leverage, whether that be for a rematch, a Charlo fight, a Thurman fight etc etc. I’m confident he beats Spence too, that’s the most frustrating part. Crawford is the guy losing out on the most by far here and it’s somewhat his own fault. He was going to bet on himself man,he agreed to a "0" gaurantee and only 35% of the split! Never has there been a fight of this magnitude(relatively) structured this way. Hell even Haney recieved a $10mil gaurantee to fight freakin Kambo.Bud asked for one simple request which was to have access to the events books and rightfully so because it effects his bottom line. Haymon says no,why,who the hell knows so Bud takes the bird in hand. How much more would you have bent over at that point? Bud isn't in this game for charity or is obligated to because of PBC's inability to offer a better deal.

If the money was being offered up front, it was worth exploring. Haymon wants total control and probably wasn’t getting a big enough piece of the pie for his greedy pockets. I have serious doubts about these supposed backers. Spence said he asked Crawford where the money was coming from and he couldn’t tell him. That’s smells dodgy as f***. Haymon and Team Spence are definitely at fault for trying to lowball Crawford IMO but they were right to dismiss these anonymous backers.

How often do these backers get proven as illegitimate though. I think Team Spence were right to dismiss them. If the money was being offered up front, it was worth exploring. Haymon wants total control and probably wasn’t getting a big enough piece of the pie for his greedy pockets.

Crawford insists he had two financial backers willing to pay both of them a guaranteed $25 million each. Not sure what else could hold up the fight besides the “back end” talk. If this is true, it goes back to what I said in another thread, they need to be realistic about what they are worth. https://www.boxingscene.com/crawford-hedge-fund-offered-me-spence-25m-guaranteed-apiece-haymon-wasnt-interested--170159 How often do these backers get proven as illegitimate though. I think Team Spence were right to dismiss them.

So why not give him some level of guarantee? They managed it for everybody else who has fought Spence and if its projected to make good money even a 1 million Dollar guarantee is something. If the norm was not to do that then fair enough but they have made an exception for Crawford and it could only ever cause a negative effect on the chance of the deal being done. ​​​​​ I agree with you in that respect. They should have offered him a guarantee. I suspect what Crawford wanted in total wasn’t something they could commit to though and that’s why we got this unusual structure. I’d assume Crawford getting no guarantee meant he was getting a higher split and therefore could potentially make more money in total. I completely agree that PBC tried to somewhat shaft Crawford in the negotiations, I think they definitely lowballed him. Maybe it was even a smokescreen offer. However, when alternative is Avanesyan on a streaming app with a very limited audience wouldn’t Crawford have been better just calling Team Spence’s bluff? Even in taking a lowball offer, Crawford still would have made upwards of $10m IMO. I think this fight would have done really well in terms of PPV revenue, gate etc. Both sides have shot themselves in the foot by failing to deliver it.