So whos really at fault for Spence Bud not happening?

I have yet to hear from Espinoza. He's been very quiet.

I know you’re whole world revolves around Manny but Spence never fought Pac. Well, spence signed contract as did pac. So pac and spence signs contracts. If pac can sign, Bud should be able to. Bud seems to have issue signing contracts.

Boxing is a fault Because it sucks as a sport Its a great sport the problem is everyone is their own boss/promoter and its not run under one organisation, so then its a case of I want more.

Boxing is a fault Because it sucks as a sport

Well spence has the better resume at 147, he fought pac and beat ugas who beat pac. So id say bud needs to make extra effirt, he needs spence to prove himself as spence is more proven at the weight. Spence is favourite to win in reality I know you’re whole world revolves around Manny but Spence never fought Pac.

Lol you still using that copy and paste paragraph as your cover for not actually having to dissect or refute what I said? I guess you got nothing. No, I have no answer to who’s really at fault for this fight happening but neither do you. All that bu!!shyte you posted is just more agenda driven crap on your part. You have no objectivity on this subject so STFU.

Well spence has the better resume at 147, he fought pac and beat ugas who beat pac. So id say bud needs to make extra effirt, he needs spence to prove himself as spence is more proven at the weight. Spence is favourite to win in reality

Due to your inability to view anything remotely involving PBC with even a sliver of objectivity, your opinion means less than nothing. If anyone one on here claims to know the answer to this, they’re full of shyte. Lol you still using that copy and paste paragraph as your cover for not actually having to dissect or refute what I said? I guess you got nothing.

I can see where youre coming from. And believe me I a fan of TC and Spence I have no favourite dog in the fight, I,m calling it as I see it.

There was no rush b/c Stanley was next, not a forced IBF mandatory Ennis or vacate the belt. If Ennis had been mandatory, guaranteed PBC/Showtime would have figured something out or paid off the IBF to let Spence fight Keef. It's all timing. Funny, Crawford's camp reached out to Ortiz Jr but they weren't interested yet again. X2 he has ducked Ortiz according to the LDBC and Spence fangirls.

And that is the irony he asked for transparency and was double-dealing simultaneously, this is the bit Im on about. I mean we know Bud agreed to terms so that rules out money and conditions arena and all that stuff, I think we can agree with that, with the transparency issue who said he wasn't going to get that it's all speculation, this why Im saying you cant blame Errol or PBC with the bare facts of what we know as we just don't know all the details, on face value it appears Bud was double-dealing in the backroom. I can see where youre coming from.

They'll fight in March

Bud agreed to terms but asked for transparency. If pbc/haymon/spence really wanted the fight, why not let his reps see what they were asking for? Make it make sense. And that is the irony he asked for transparency and was double-dealing simultaneously, this is the bit Im on about. I mean we know Bud agreed to terms so that rules out money and conditions arena and all that stuff, I think we can agree with that, with the transparency issue who said he wasn't going to get that it's all speculation, this why Im saying you cant blame Errol or PBC with the bare facts of what we know as we just don't know all the details, on face value it appears Bud was double-dealing in the backroom.

Should they put a gun to Buds head, he agreed to terms, so how is it the promoter's fault they didn't run off TC did. Bud agreed to terms but asked for transparency. If pbc/haymon/spence really wanted the fight, why not let his reps see what they were asking for? Make it make sense.

Where is TernceBudCharlo to make of this??

Backend percentages were huge for Floyd because he did anywhere between 1 million ppv buys and 4 million ppv buys. Ain't no huge ppv backend on a 500k ppv buy fight. Which is what bud vs errol is. Promoters, network and cable company have to get theirs. So what's left for the fighters? Canelo didnt have to wait on a backend. Haymon ponied up 40 million and another 10 for plant with no hesitation. Bud and errol should have been made the week after Spence beat ugas. Haymon blew this fight. Nobody else Guaranteed money > haymon promises I think Spence Crawford would have done around million PPV, if it didn't Im sure it would still make Bud more than he gets for DA. The thing with percentages is that it boils down to fighters betting on themselves, its also a safety net where the people;e putting up the money don't lose their balls, maybe Bud realizes he cant draw flies to sht and the percentage deal scared him, Ive always said that the public will pay for fights they want to see, its always the matchup that's worth the money not just one fighter with the exceptions of those boxing superstars which rise above everyone else. I believe Spence Crawford would do really well in PPV, whereas TC vs DA will sink like the Titanic, then you got to look at the future earnings on a win in that fight, which again is the fighter betting on himself just appears that bud wasn't prepared to do that. 500k PPV at $69 is around 35 mill, then you overseas revenue and all the backend merchandise and the live gate , Bud would have easily got a lot more than 10ml

Its not unusual because its a guaranteed percentage that has proven to be more lucrative in the huge PPV fights, so many superfights a made of percentage. I would bet everything I own Bud would make as much as twice the take home money fighting Spence on a percentage of all revenue that he agreed to than the 10mil he gets from DA, this is Floyds method and they all followed him because the backend percentage is huge. The first thing hashed out in a negotiation is money, and they agreed to terms, that tells you the money is fine. And just to add the transparency concern was about all revenue, not the percentage, I think Bud is not to smart with the money side of things, he wants the Lollie bag in his hand not the truck full of lollies on paper, not smart business at all. Backend percentages were huge for Floyd because he did anywhere between 1 million ppv buys and 4 million ppv buys. Ain't no huge ppv backend on a 500k ppv buy fight. Which is what bud vs errol is. Promoters, network and cable company have to get theirs. So what's left for the fighters? Canelo didnt have to wait on a backend. Haymon ponied up 40 million and another 10 for plant with no hesitation. Bud and errol should have been made the week after Spence beat ugas. Haymon blew this fight. Nobody else Guaranteed money > haymon promises

Pbc/haymon are at fault. They are the ONLY promoter involved Should they put a gun to Buds head, he agreed to terms, so how is it the promoter's fault they didn't run off TC did.

Pbc/haymon are at fault. They are the ONLY promoter involved

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