https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE-idgR4jBM
I think this would be a great fight since Canelo they say is too small for 175. He can go back to 160 and let's see if he's actually improved.
Oh so now the media, fans, and judges aren't biased in favor of canelo.
I'll remember that next time you criticize him.
Again you refuse to debate me on what actually happened in the fight. All you can do is call me names.
I accept your admission of defeat.
I admit nothing.
Here are the facts:
1. it was a close fight
2. Canelo won
3. the only person that thinks Lara “schooled” Canelo is you. Even the few people who think Lara win disagree with your “schooled” bu!!shyte.
4. you think you’re right and everyone else is wrong.
5. you’re an agenda driven douche bag who’s motivation for making this thread is to rub shyte in the faces of the Canelo ball gaggers.
I appreciate the compliment, thank you.
I enoy the effervescence of being right and the only way to do that is to prove your skill by any meanss necessary. If I have to break it down, I break it down.
Let me say a few things first please --->
I didn't watch this fight in my traditional method.
I watched the round and went to my text file that was my scorecard so I missed the replays between rounds. This is a mistake I will probably not make again.
I also watched a 720p youtube version in a small container, not on a full 60" 4k screen which makes a world of difference.
I humbly disagree in that I can watch a fight one time and get the right score every time. When I was younger I made mistakes, but at this age and level of experience, I'm always sharp.
I have a trick for you to see punches land every single time no matter how fast a fighter is --->
I really shouldn't tell anybody because I created this method myself, but I have to pass it on for the better of mankind. Just when you bring it up years down the line, remember to say old War Room was the grandmaster that passed this secret technique.
When people score they often look at one fighter the majority of the time, usually the fighter they like. If they don't, they scan both fighters or their gloves, these methods will all produce impaired results --->
▼▼▼ Secret Below ▼▼▼
To always see a punch land, you need to watch the space inbetween the gloves. When this space is no longer empty and a glove enters, your eyes have a head start on following the punch to its destiation and you will always 100% of the time see the punch land in a more more clear fashion than you did prior. The empty space gives your eye time to be redirected to where the punch lands.
Example --->
https://i.ibb.co/P6j5BBM/spacer.png
That's impressive that your eye is that good.
But the truth is, most fans and media miss a lot. It's not their fault, it's just very very tough. It's unrealistic to expect people to get it right when things move so fast. Different story if you're a judge with earmuffs on sitting ringside and actually paying serious attention to those little details like whether the punches are actually landing accurately or being blocked. Because I can tell you, the announcers, who are also ringside, get that shit wrong ALL THE TIME, so it's just a DCAF mistake to think the scorers always get it right after one viewing.
Anyways, mad respect for actually taking me up on the challenge and not talking shit or rhetoric.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE-idgR4jBM
I think this would be a great fight since Canelo they say is too small for 175. He can go back to 160 and let's see if he's actually improved.
- - Canelo ain't fishin' fer runts like U want him.
Lady Lara, Androgynous, and the Charlene sistas need to rent a motel room for a livestreaming weekend of what they do best.
How much do you think ring generalship counts for? The lion’s share of scoring — by far — goes to punches landed. That’s pretty much it. The only time the other scoring criteria come into play is when the exchange of blows is approximately the same. That’s the way it works in the real world. That’s a fact.
Bro I really really encourage you to watch the fight again. It's about clean punches landed. If clean punches are even then you go to ring generalship.
I really encourage you to watch the fight against and you'll see hardly any of canelo's shots landed clean but all Lara's did.
Let me be clear, I don't think it was an easy win, even a solid 115-113 isn't easy. It was a hard fight, but I had him clearly winning. I'm going to go back and watch round 2 again right now, one sec --->
OK so 2:28 Canelo lands a right hand that sends Lara off balance and holding the ropes for balance. Instant replay later shows that shot was blocked but knocked Lara off balance. The replay tried saying foot tangle, but that footise was before the exchange so no dice.
2:19 Clenny lands a right hook.
Clenny lands a power jab around 2:14.
Lara lands a clean 1-2 at 2:09, clean but no power effect ---> Canelo charges forward.
Lara lands a flicking jab at 2:07.
1:55 Canelo lands left hook body shot, Lara comes back with a combo, only the left hook lands palm open so no score there.
They go a bit back and forth ---> around 1:30 there is an exchange I edge to Canelo
A little more back and forth, all even, Canelo combo's lands a good body shot around 1:03.
Can't tell if Canelo lands that right hand at :58.
Some more even back and forth.
Lara lands a nice straight left at :17 and a flicking jab right after. Decent power and clean, Canelo changes his attack, becomes cautious.
Canelo appears to land a right hand at :08.
Canelo lands a nice left hook to the body at :07.
When I first watched it, I didn't see the slow motion replay inbetween the rounds and thought that right hand at 2:28 landed.
After seeing round 2 again ---> Lara did land the cleaner shots.
I'm still leaning towards Canelo on effective aggression, imo he did enough to edge it on hustle and landing volume ---> but I wouldn't argue with someone if they wanted to score it for Lara. The 1-2 at 2:09 and straight left at :17 from Lara were extremely clean,
Thank you for actually being a real man and taking me up on the challenge. Nobody else did, instead they respond with hateful rhetoric.
The bottom line to all the haters is that no, I don't think I'm smarter that everyone else. This is FACT though. FACT and you can't run or duck it. You CANT watch a fight one time, say your score was correct, and be so stubborn to think you're 100% right. Especially when you have a fight like canelo lara where canelo's crowd was oohing and ahing at every punch and so many punches made contact w Lara's arms, but it's hard to see the first time around. You need to be man enough to watch the fight carefully again to see if you're wrong. Period.
If you watch this fight again you'd see that Lara's punches were always much much cleaner period. But that's hard to see in regular speed with the crowd cheering, yet these DECAFS refuse to watch the fight again. We know what time it is.
This is why so many scored it for canelo the first time around. We all make mistakes. IT's the same as Pac Bradley 1, first view the fight seemed one sided but when you watch it again you'll see many of Manny's punches were not clean.
In the amateurs you're right, but in the pro's ---> power reigns supreme. You can landed little shots all round, but if I rock you and you're stepping in potholes on queer street with 5 seconds left, the round goes to me. Power puts fighters down. That's a fact.
It’s not that simple, but you’re on the right track. Does one good shot equal 20 jabs? Not so sure about that. Of course, that’s why there are judges and why they don’t always see things the same way. Scoring is subjective. But the first thing is punches landed — that’s where scoring starts. The quality of the punches is the next consideration. Judging is about weighing various factors.
Only here a close fight is a schooling. Lara ran and gave the fight away, embarrassing annoying fight if you ask me.
Ye im not a canelo fan but i watched the fight recently and no way did lara win, he did fk all and ran most of the fight. Sad thing is that he had the tools to beat canelo easily if he had some balls.
It's like ring generalship doesn't count anymore
How much do you think ring generalship counts for? The lion’s share of scoring — by far — goes to punches landed. That’s pretty much it. The only time the other scoring criteria come into play is when the exchange of blows is approximately the same. That’s the way it works in the real world. That’s a fact.
Canelo fans after the Lara fight "if the media said it was a close fight it HAD to be a close fight."
Canelo fans after the GGG fights "the media is biased and doesn't know shit about boxing."
I'll give it to you one one though though, you're consistent with the "the judges are experts and know best" lmao. Especially that Levi Martinez guy.
All I hear is "he ran, he ran, you can't win a fight running...."
Stupid casuals.
These are the same people who post gifs in their signature of Canelo, loma, fury backing up and slipping punches, but when lara did it, he's a runner.
Canelo got the decision. How’s that for a fact? The majority felt Canelo deserved the decision. How’s that for a fact? Absolutely no one besides your stupid ass thought Lara “schooled” Canelo. How’s that for a fact? You still think you’re right and everyone else is wrong.
You’re every bit as pathetic as the Canelo ball gaggers.
Once again. Close fight. Canelo won. Rightfully so. More facts for your ignorant asz.
Oh so now the media, fans, and judges aren't biased in favor of canelo.
I'll remember that next time you criticize him.
Again you refuse to debate me on what actually happened in the fight. All you can do is call me names.
I accept your admission of defeat.
And still with hateful names but no facts.
Canelo got the decision. How’s that for a fact? The majority felt Canelo deserved the decision. How’s that for a fact? Absolutely no one besides your stupid ass thought Lara “schooled” Canelo. How’s that for a fact? You still think you’re right and everyone else is wrong.
You’re every bit as pathetic as the Canelo ball gaggers.
Once again. Close fight. Canelo won. Rightfully so. More facts for your ignorant asz.
Oh look, I don't think he can actually make 160, I was just calling out the hypocrisy of people who said he was way too small for 175 and a tiny 168 pounder. Ok, so if he's really a MW then fight Lara at MW.
Glad you agree that it was an easy win for Lara, being mobile is a positive if the other fighter's aggression is ineffective.
Also are you sure you scored round 2 for canelo? I don't think he landed a single clean punch that round. My card was the same as yours except I gave 2 to Lara.
The good one was the guy that had it 117-111 for canelo. How did he saw 9 rounds going to canelo?
Lol. These Canelo haters fill out their scorecards a week or two in advance before a Canelo fight. They have Canelo down by 3 rounds before the ring walk begins.
I'm pretty sure, is the other way around.
I'm in support of you lately on most things, but asking Canelo to go back to 160 is down right unreasonable. 175 he's puffin and inflated ---> 168 is the healthy weight for him. 160 is a crazy low jump to ask for anybody at his age and where he's at physically. We got to stay focused and not look unreasonable brother.
I watched the fight in it's entirety for the first time a few weeks ago and Lara cleary won via an unbiased professional scoring methodology. I've said it before and I'll say it again ---> you can score close but firm win ---> meaning just because it's close doesn't mean it can go either way. I could give you excellent credentials, but those that argue will argue with me even if I said I was Jerry Roth.
Lara, 1, 3, 5*, 6, 10, 11, 12. (*= close round)
Canelo: 2, 4, 7, 8, 9*.(*= close round)
115-113 Lara
I had 2 rounds that were extremely close and gave one to each so no matter what, the scores stay the same if you switch and 114-114 at best. I'll debate any round academically at any time ---> but Lara won that fight. Any fighter can move laterally and win rounds, being mobile is not a negative scoring criteria.
Oh look, I don't think he can actually make 160, I was just calling out the hypocrisy of people who said he was way too small for 175 and a tiny 168 pounder. Ok, so if he's really a MW then fight Lara at MW.
Glad you agree that it was an easy win for Lara, being mobile is a positive if the other fighter's aggression is ineffective.
Also are you sure you scored round 2 for canelo? I don't think he landed a single clean punch that round. My card was the same as yours except I gave 2 to Lara.
Don't forget constant disrespect of the legends of the sport in the past, just yesterday there was a thread on Canelo vs. SRL. Some of them were even calling Ray Robinson a bum.
I have never seen anything like it in 30 years following boxing and they need to be called out on it.
And it's not thinly disguised, it's a fact. They need to be held accountable for all their hateful words over the last 3 years, beating their chests hard saying their guy is invincible. Calling Lara a runner, saying GGG got schooled, calling Andrade a bum, Charlo a bum, Bivol a bum, Beterbiev a bum, Usyk a bum. CONSTANT SHIT TALKING ABOUT TERENCE CRAWFORD.
They need to be held accountable for their reckless rhetoric and reminding them that Lara schooled him is one way to do it.
Every regular poster here knows what you’re motivation for making this thread. It’s a thinly disguised attempt to rub shyte in the faces of the Canelo ball washers. But you’re as ignorant as they are with this “schooled” bu!!shyte.
Again if you posted that it was a close fight that you thought Lara won, I could leave it alone but when you start with this “schooled” stupidity, I’ll call you out on it.
Again, close fight. Canelo won. Rightfully so.
And still with hateful names but no facts.
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