No other fighters are taking risks like Canelo, Usyk and Lomachenko

Kev, Canelo lost to a 5-1 underdog. Loma to a 7-1 underdog. The fights They won before were worse underdogs than this. when you lose to such big underdogs the narrative shouldn’t be about taking risks. Maybe it’s just me, but 5-1 and 7-1 favorites are “risks” only because the previous opponents were 12-1 and 15-1 underdogs. A 50/50 or 55/45 fight is more of a “risk” imo. Canelo and Loma kinda folded. It happens. Maybe they were overconfident. They deserve credit for fighting top opponents for sure. Let’s not act like there isn’t some easy ones sprinkled in. right like a Spence/Crawford fight. which is a 50/50 fight Spence losing to Crawford is more of a risk than him going up in weight losing to Canelo

I don't know how you can ignore the obvious at this point. Trout fight, they announce the open scorecards and those idiot judges had Canelo way up, so Trout has to change his style and gets dropped. That ridiculous 6-6- scorecard vs. Floyd. That ridiculous 9-3 scorecard vs. Lara. That ridiculous 9-3 scorecard vs. GGG 3 ridiculous 7-5 scorecards last night You have to be blind or stupid not to see it

Facts: If you want to be the best, you have to gun for the best at the weight class you campaign in. At 154, the best, according to The Ring and TBRB, when Canelo was there…were Mayweather, Trout, Lara and Cotto. Okay Canelo fought 3 of those 4. At 160, when Canelo first went up there, the best were GGG, Cotto and Jacobs. Canelo fought all 3, GGG twice. At 168, The Ring champion there was Callum Smith. Now at this point, I am going around saying I think Canelo is biting off more than he could chew. I said I think Callum Smith might win. Okay, Canelo somehow won, I was wrong. From THAT^ point on, Canelo was overachieving. He was already doing a lot. Fighting Bivol, Kovalev, Plant, Saunders, is already doing way more than he has to do in order to secure a HOF career. Way more. Unnecessary. Attempting to beat Bivol is Canelo trying to be more than just a Hall of Famer. The guy clearly wants to be listed with the best, the Ali’s, SRR’s, Duran, SRL, Chavez, etc. Because Arturo Gatti, Barry McGuigan and Naseem Hamed are hall of famers. That’s not saying much. The guy wants to be a legend of his time. Even if Canelo forego’s the Bivol rematch and goes down to 168 and cleans it out, he would still being doing more than he has to. It’s too bad that his critics are so loud and that not every boxing fan gives him credit for the risks he takes. But that’s boxing and that is why boxing is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to sports. Its fans are extremely unreasonable and don’t even understand what is risk and what is taking it easy. - - Not bad, Kevvy. 99% of fight fans can't credibly score a fight or evaluate a career which is the reason Boxing uses that demographic for those functions so they can prop each other up like drunks on the street.

Your guy lost man, clearly. It happens. I guess when it's this obvious even you have to admit that your guy lost. Truth hurts I'm afraid. A better way to handle things would be to just score fights how you see them, even when they go against your guy. Why? Because then when your guy officially loses eventually, you don't have such a crushing moment in your psyche like so many Canelo fans are dealing with now. It's because the truth is crippling. They know it but can't admit it. Let's start with the judging. That they scored it 7-5 for Bivol was a travesty. And completely makes Canelo's wins over GGG, Lara, Trout more questionable. And the draw vs. Floyd. It's just proof that they're biased for canelo.

Take a backseat, cripple. Little G will get his turn again soon. Your guy lost man, clearly. It happens. I guess when it's this obvious even you have to admit that your guy lost. Truth hurts I'm afraid. A better way to handle things would be to just score fights how you see them, even when they go against your guy. Why? Because then when your guy officially loses eventually, you don't have such a crushing moment in your psyche like so many Canelo fans are dealing with now.

Facts: If you want to be the best, you have to gun for the best at the weight class you campaign in. At 154, the best, according to The Ring and TBRB, when Canelo was there…were Mayweather, Trout, Lara and Cotto. Okay Canelo fought 3 of those 4. At 160, when Canelo first went up there, the best were GGG, Cotto and Jacobs. Canelo fought all 3, GGG twice. At 168, The Ring champion there was Callum Smith. Now at this point, I am going around saying I think Canelo is biting off more than he could chew. I said I think Callum Smith might win. Okay, Canelo somehow won, I was wrong. From THAT^ point on, Canelo was overachieving. He was already doing a lot. Fighting Bivol, Kovalev, Plant, Saunders, is already doing way more than he has to do in order to secure a HOF career. Way more. Unnecessary. Attempting to beat Bivol is Canelo trying to be more than just a Hall of Famer. The guy clearly wants to be listed with the best, the Ali’s, SRR’s, Duran, SRL, Chavez, etc. Because Arturo Gatti, Barry McGuigan and Naseem Hamed are hall of famers. That’s not saying much. The guy wants to be a legend of his time. Even if Canelo forego’s the Bivol rematch and goes down to 168 and cleans it out, he would still being doing more than he has to. It’s too bad that his critics are so loud and that not every boxing fan gives him credit for the risks he takes. But that’s boxing and that is why boxing is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to sports. Its fans are extremely unreasonable and don’t even understand what is risk and what is taking it easy. - - Not bad, Kevvy. 99% of fight fans can't credibly score a fight or evaluate a career which is the reason Boxing uses that demographic for those functions so they can prop each other up like drunks on the street.

Man Canelo fans are not handling this well. About as well as AJ fans after the Ruiz loss lol Take a backseat, cripple. Little G will get his turn again soon.

Man Canelo fans are not handling this well. About as well as AJ fans after the Ruiz loss lol

if Crawford beats Spence, fair play. but you’re literally digging to the bottom of the barrel to make Crawfords wins over Khan and Brook look good/great. Surely you can’t believe more than half of the crap you’re saying. Errol Spence, before the Ugas fight, said he is on “borrowed time”. Of course Terence Crawford should win against a fighter who is admittedly damaged goods. The least Crawford can do is win with a late stoppage. If he is as great as that poster thinks he is, Crawford should get Spence out of there in under 6 rounds.

You think 6’9” 250-270lb Fury, who campaigns at Heavyweight, taking on 6’6” Wlad and 6’6” Wilder are bigger risks than Usyk, a career Cruiserweight taking on the #1 ranked, career-Heavyweight Anthony Joshua and a blown up Middleweight Canelo taking on #2 ranked Bivol at 175? Aren’t fighters who campaign in a weight class for their whole career supposed to fight the best fighters of their weight class? I mean that is the least they can do, don’t you think? For example, the least Canelo could do at 154 was to fight Mayweather, Trout and Lara. The least he could do at Middleweight was fight GGG, Cotto and Jacobs. Etc. After that, we are talking about over-achieving. Callum Smith was an overachievement imo. Fighting Bivol at 175 was an overachievement. I thought beating the #2 Ring 175 fighter Sergey Kovalev was an over achievement as well. Despite Kovalev’s age and being past prime which is no different from Fury fighting a 40 year old past prime Klitschko. There is absolutely an argument that Bivol for Canelo is a far higher risk than Wilder was for Fury. I mean we are talking about a guy who is highly skilled, moves like a Middleweight and was 270lbs and 6’9”. You predicted Bivol would beat Canelo. How much of your prediction was based on Bivol’s sheet size to skill ratio? Would you feel as confident picking Bivol over Canelo if they were both 5’8” and the same weight at fight night? Let’s both are 180lbs and 5’8”. Would you still choose Bivol? Did Bivol’s height, weight (and time at weight class) and reach advantage play a part in you picking him over Canelo? I think Fury coming off 2 years of drug abuse and 140 lbs overweight, to basically jump in with Wilder after 2 tune ups was as big of a risk as it gets. Most expected him to get splattered early. I think that's by far a bigger risk on paper than any of the others noted. That's Ali-Liston, Ali-Foreman level of a risk. My prediction for Bivol winning was strongly based on his size. Size + skills and the fact Canelo struggled badly with Kovalev who was well past it. Bivol was certainly a big risk, but I don't think in the same stratosphere as Fury-Wilder 1.

if Crawford beats Spence, fair play. but you’re literally digging to the bottom of the barrel to make Crawfords wins over Khan and Brook look good/great. Surely you can’t believe more than half of the crap you’re saying. I'm not making them look great. I'm saying that Canelo's wins at 168 aren't.

Keep talking ****, that's all I gotta say. When Terence beats Spence this fall we can revisit this convo then. if Crawford beats Spence, fair play. but you’re literally digging to the bottom of the barrel to make Crawfords wins over Khan and Brook look good/great. Surely you can’t believe more than half of the crap you’re saying.

How can a middleweight pose as a welterweight on fight night? LMFAO. I'm not making him out to be this super small guy. And yes of course he's bigger than Floyd. But he's not a big middleweight, let alone a big super middle. He's a tiny light heavyweight and has no business there. Who else currently fighting has taken fights in a division where they clearly do not belong? With the introduction of day before weigh in rules, fighters weight drain themselves to pose as welter-weights. Alvarez on fight night was 15-20 pounds heavier than Floyd Mayweather Junior for example. Anyway, I am done with the thread. Alvarez takes risks, big deal 'That is what great fighters are suppose to do'. I personally think people are over exaggerating in this thread, there are plenty of other fighters who also take risks.

No other fighters are consistently taking risks like Canelo, Usyk and Lomachenko. Critics of these fighters is why boxing is at the bottom of all sports. Fighters who are doing big things for the sport get hated on. Those who take risks and fight the best consistently. These guys are hated on and not given any credit for what they do. I remember when Usyk beat AJ, all critics can talk about is how overrated AJ is, instead of talking about how great Usyk is. It’s the same BS every time. Either sh/t on the loser or sh/t on the winner. I see fans using this loss to Bivol, to talk about how Canelo would have also lost to Andrade, Benavidez, and Charlo. Well damn. That’s all you have to do to rack up L’s? So all Canelo had to do in his career is fight Dmitry Bivol and his entire career could have been judged based on that. Bivol beat Canelo, now everyone and their mother’s can. The most amusing part is that Bivol, who clearly beat Canelo by outlanding him with the better power punches, is somehow proof that Trout, Lara, GGG all beat Canelo. Like it re-affirmed those “robberies”…as if Trout, Lara and GGG did anything remotely close to what Bivol did. No where near what he did. Risk takers rarely exist today. U have to have male genitalia for that AND normal testosterone levels. Most women have it though.

Facts: If you want to be the best, you have to gun for the best at the weight class you campaign in. At 154, the best, according to The Ring and TBRB, when Canelo was there…were Mayweather, Trout, Lara and Cotto. Okay Canelo fought 3 of those 4. At 160, when Canelo first went up there, the best were GGG, Cotto and Jacobs. Canelo fought all 3, GGG twice. At 168, The Ring champion there was Callum Smith. Now at this point, I am going around saying I think Canelo is biting off more than he could chew. I said I think Callum Smith might win. Okay, Canelo somehow won, I was wrong. From THAT^ point on, Canelo was overachieving. He was already doing a lot. Fighting Bivol, Kovalev, Plant, Saunders, is already doing way more than he has to do in order to secure a HOF career. Way more. Unnecessary. Attempting to beat Bivol is Canelo trying to be more than just a Hall of Famer. The guy clearly wants to be listed with the best, the Ali’s, SRR’s, Duran, SRL, Chavez, etc. Because Arturo Gatti, Barry McGuigan and Naseem Hamed are hall of famers. That’s not saying much. The guy wants to be a legend of his time. Even if Canelo forego’s the Bivol rematch and goes down to 168 and cleans it out, he would still being doing more than he has to. It’s too bad that his critics are so loud and that not every boxing fan gives him credit for the risks he takes. But that’s boxing and that is why boxing is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to sports. Its fans are extremely unreasonable and don’t even understand what is risk and what is taking it easy. I don't even care anymore, especially since I'm more just excited about what's to come from Bud. If Bud beats Spence it won't even be a debate anymore. If he beats Charlo at 154, the debate is over for life. Those are 2 far bigger risks than anyone on that list besides Mayweather, who embarrassed canelo in spectacular fashion.

True they are legends tbh. Fuck businessmen tbh lol

Facts: If you want to be the best, you have to gun for the best at the weight class you campaign in. At 154, the best, according to The Ring and TBRB, when Canelo was there…were Mayweather, Trout, Lara and Cotto. Okay Canelo fought 3 of those 4. At 160, when Canelo first went up there, the best were GGG, Cotto and Jacobs. Canelo fought all 3, GGG twice. At 168, The Ring champion there was Callum Smith. Now at this point, I am going around saying I think Canelo is biting off more than he could chew. I said I think Callum Smith might win. Okay, Canelo somehow won, I was wrong. From THAT^ point on, Canelo was overachieving. He was already doing a lot. Fighting Bivol, Kovalev, Plant, Saunders, is already doing way more than he has to do in order to secure a HOF career. Way more. Unnecessary. Attempting to beat Bivol is Canelo trying to be more than just a Hall of Famer. The guy clearly wants to be listed with the best, the Ali’s, SRR’s, Duran, SRL, Chavez, etc. Because Arturo Gatti, Barry McGuigan and Naseem Hamed are hall of famers. That’s not saying much. The guy wants to be a legend of his time. Even if Canelo forego’s the Bivol rematch and goes down to 168 and cleans it out, he would still being doing more than he has to. It’s too bad that his critics are so loud and that not every boxing fan gives him credit for the risks he takes. But that’s boxing and that is why boxing is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to sports. Its fans are extremely unreasonable and don’t even understand what is risk and what is taking it easy.

Technically no fighters should be disrespected but I notice particularly on this forum, guys only want to have sympathy for fighters when their guy lose However, a lot of you are the same guys who not even months or weeks ago was doing the same thing to another fighter you wasn't a fan of, however now that your guy lost now you want "Peace" and "Sympathy" Lets try respecting ALL FIGHTERS for having the BALLS to step in that ring. They're ALL Taking Risk every time they get in that Ring regardless of Opponent because anything can happen in that Ring. Boxing has a very OLD Demographic so these are men who are like 35 and up acting like Teen Girls who are emotionally attached to their Favorite Pop Singer

"Moving up 3 weight classes to chase Spence" LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :rofl: -Kev- is right. This has to be a parody account. I am telling you. It is a parody account. I suspected this a long time ago. It is kind of obvious, but sometimes he hides it well. But look at his username. And then he hyping up Crawford’s wins over Brook and Khan, who were both clearly shot and not even in any publication’s top 10 at 147-160. Hyping up Porter as having “hanged in there” with elite P4P fighters, when he only had fought 1 (Errol Spence), and had losses to Brook, draw with Julio Diaz that should have been an L, and should have had an L vs Ugas. Now this about chasing Spence by moving up 3 weight classes. It’s a parody account. That username is a parody name. Who ever that is, is most likely a PBC hater trying to make that fanbase look stupid. Sadly, he is doing a great job, because he actually has PBC fans agreeing with everything he is saying. TerenceBudCharlo, if you are a parody account, PM with your real username. I will not tell anyone, I just want to give your OG account props for that. I mean you are clearly trolling PBC fans and it flies way over their head. That is legendary trolling right there.

That's fair. But I'd say the Klitschko fight and the first Wilder fight are by far bigger risks than any of the others have taken. You think 6’9” 250-270lb Fury, who campaigns at Heavyweight, taking on 6’6” Wlad and 6’6” Wilder are bigger risks than Usyk, a career Cruiserweight taking on the #1 ranked, career-Heavyweight Anthony Joshua and a blown up Middleweight Canelo taking on #2 ranked Bivol at 175? Aren’t fighters who campaign in a weight class for their whole career supposed to fight the best fighters of their weight class? I mean that is the least they can do, don’t you think? For example, the least Canelo could do at 154 was to fight Mayweather, Trout and Lara. The least he could do at Middleweight was fight GGG, Cotto and Jacobs. Etc. After that, we are talking about over-achieving. Callum Smith was an overachievement imo. Fighting Bivol at 175 was an overachievement. I thought beating the #2 Ring 175 fighter Sergey Kovalev was an over achievement as well. Despite Kovalev’s age and being past prime which is no different from Fury fighting a 40 year old past prime Klitschko. There is absolutely an argument that Bivol for Canelo is a far higher risk than Wilder was for Fury. I mean we are talking about a guy who is highly skilled, moves like a Middleweight and was 270lbs and 6’9”. You predicted Bivol would beat Canelo. How much of your prediction was based on Bivol’s sheet size to skill ratio? Would you feel as confident picking Bivol over Canelo if they were both 5’8” and the same weight at fight night? Let’s both are 180lbs and 5’8”. Would you still choose Bivol? Did Bivol’s height, weight (and time at weight class) and reach advantage play a part in you picking him over Canelo?