If AJ beats Usyk will the win ring hollow given the circumstances?

Full credit but full credit only puts them at 1-1. I don't usually agree when people say it's 1-1. When the champ goes in with the belt and comes out with the belt that's usually enough for me. E.G. Ruiz - Joshua proved himself the better fighter and avenged the earlier upset. There's no call for a rematch there. But if AJ wins then this is a fight where we should absolutely see a trilogy. Usyk is at that level and the first fight wasn't any kind of upset or fluke. Whether it's immediate or not probably comes down to the WBC and Mr Fury.

Usyk 100% Ig I'm being serious Joshua has maybe a 20% chance to win, it can happen but its not likely So why would Joshua get no credit for beating someone who is potentially a "top 5 ATG" (your words)? And why is "a blown up middleweight who struggled with Chisora and had PTSD" (your words) potentially a "top 5 ATG" (your words). Makes no sense. If Joshua beats Usyk he deserves huge credit.

Usyk is actuay a russian synpathiser. Basically usyk is a devout orthodox christian and considered the russians to be the same. He understands the jewish elite bankers are the ones who funded bolshevism and now run his own country. The klitschkos and their ompresident are on that sid of the street ..and usyk knows what theyre about he understands the propaganda well. the klits had to emotionally blackmail him to get involved in thr war, using patriotism. In reaity none of them are really involved. Usyk said himself fighting aj is better than walking around kiev with a machine gun. He understands the 'war' is just an agenda,. Part of the great reset. Doing to the world what the bolsheviks did to soviet union). Looting it, before the big cull which will happen and most people will die. So no...usyk aint bothered about this war in that sense. It also means more to him to beat aj again. It means more for them all. Do you hear voices?

Full credit but full credit only puts them at 1-1.

AJ won't ever beat Usyk... :cool: /endthread

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Show me one AJ fight with rigged cards like Canelo's whole career. His fights in general are judged fairly. If he wins, he put in the work. The only people who will be crying are the extreme Central Asian and Eastern European American fanboys who call all of these guys the greatest ever when they hear the last names. The happiest man on earth will be Fury b.c that 2-fight 200-million deal will be back on the table and he'll be running around saying the retirement thing was just a joke. Uhm. Where and when did i mention that he ever had one? I said full credit to him in response to TS unless he won via robbery, it’s just a scenario to choose from.

I'm sure some people would use the situation to downplay a victory. Personally I don't do that. There are always distractions. You never know what people are going through behind closed doors. No excuses, give the winner their credit.

Usyk is actuay a russian synpathiser. Basically usyk is a devout orthodox christian and considered the russians to be the same. He understands the jewish elite bankers are the ones who funded bolshevism and now run his own country. The klitschkos and their ompresident are on that sid of the street ..and usyk knows what theyre about he understands the propaganda well. the klits had to emotionally blackmail him to get involved in thr war, using patriotism. In reaity none of them are really involved. Usyk said himself fighting aj is better than walking around kiev with a machine gun. He understands the 'war' is just an agenda,. Part of the great reset. Doing to the world what the bolsheviks did to soviet union). Looting it, before the big cull which will happen and most people will die. So no...usyk aint bothered about this war in that sense. It also means more to him to beat aj again. It means more for them all.

20% I think is fair tbh, maybe 25% Its 1 in 4 or 5 Joshua has the physical ability to win but his mentality is the issue, and its not just a case of a quick change in game plan, mentally he's not looked right since Wlad, he got away with it vs lesser opponents, and Ruiz really helped his rematch tactics coming in so heavy. Usyk won't turn up overweight, he is going to be as good as last time, probably better, so AJ doesn't just have to do a bit better this time he's going to have to do a lot better, and mentally, of after a couple of rounds Usyk is out boxing him again, I think AJ will fall apart very quickly. Joshuas fanny farting about with his training set up was the nail in the coffin for me, he trialed with all these trainers then decided ahh **** it and just stuck with this Fernando guy, that is indicitive to me of him not caring enough. He should have cleaned house. The 20% chance I give AJ is the chance I think he has of landing a big shot early in the fight. Yes but I was just saying you think Josh loses, so if Josh were to cause upset, wouldn't that be good reason to give credit to josh?

Usyk will not defile himself with excuses should he lose. If his mind was esle where, he also wouldn't screw his fans over with being less than 100% prepared. The better man will win the fight. The Great Nash agrees. Viva la BodyBagz. Nash out.

Usyk 100% Ig I'm being serious Joshua has maybe a 20% chance to win, it can happen but its not likely Your being harsh. Josh lost worse to ruiz and overturned it so I think Josh can win.But ​Id give Josh credit for win as he is being written off

Nooooo way. Full credit if he does win unless it’s a robbery. Joshua is the one who needs to get his mind straight to win this one even if he’s chillin right now. Show me one AJ fight with rigged cards like Canelo's whole career. His fights in general are judged fairly. If he wins, he put in the work. The only people who will be crying are the extreme Central Asian and Eastern European American fanboys who call all of these guys the greatest ever when they hear the last names. The happiest man on earth will be Fury b.c that 2-fight 200-million deal will be back on the table and he'll be running around saying the retirement thing was just a joke.

Oh 100%, if AJ wins all he did was beat a blown up middleweight who struggled with Chisora and had PTSD Big whoop. If Usyk wins he's top 5 ATG So who is the better fighter? Who do you think wins?

Usyk will not defile himself with excuses should he lose. If his mind was esle where, he also wouldn't screw his fans over with being less than 100% prepared. The better man will win the fight.

Nah No excuses. If Usyk isn’t right to fight then he shouldn’t. I don’t think anybody is forcing him into it and I’m sure he could prolong it if he wanted.

Nooooo way. Full credit if he does win unless it’s a robbery. Joshua is the one who needs to get his mind straight to win this one even if he’s chillin right now.

I expect Usyk to win anyway, but no. If Usyk is so distracted by the war that he can't perform he shouldn't step into the ring. You don't play boxing and you don't step in there if you don't have your head on straight. When you step between those ropes you leave your excuses on the outside and live with the results forever. So if Joshua beats him, full credit. He won't, but if he does, absolutely he deserves the accolades.