Fundora vs Lubin 2

Ok. These are all solid points. Maybe revisit this in a couple years. But not 2022 or 23. Fundora should be rewarded with bigger fights . Yes I agree with that and hopefully no waiting around

Up till’ the 6th , I had it Fundora up 1 point So yeah , it was still competitive to that point In the 7th , Lubin got his revenge and knocked Fundora down and I believe that is when he suffered the shoulder injury I’ve seen worse cases where it wasn’t granted but they got the rematch Ok. These are all solid points. Maybe revisit this in a couple years. But not 2022 or 23. Fundora should be rewarded with bigger fights .

Fundora might as well can negate that. The very few times Lubin did it he did well. Also he didn't hold as much but the worst thing Lubin was doing was keeping his head in the center. Those uppercuts just landed too easily. Yeah and I'm not 1 for holding but he shouldve held more to break up the action and get some distance he may well have been able to alter Fundoras game plan if he did it enough

What possible reason would there be a rematch for? Lubin was completely dominated. Yes he had moments. That said, he took a severe and brutal beating. Fondura should move on to the elite in the division. Lubin has now lost both times he’s fought upper echelon opponents in the division. He needs to rebuild back and hopefully he can land another title shot down the road. It's weird to think that he's only 26 but now has a long road ahead of him. It's one thing losing to the elite (Jermell) but Fundora is just now a contender.

This fight just goes to show that it’s not as easy as “just box.”

Sorry, but seeing his face as swollen as it was, was a very telling sign. Was he hurting? Who knows? Did it look like it hurt? Yes. The question is, how will be treated by refs and other fighters? I'm in the mind that most fighters will either be even more emboldened to fight him or they'll steer clear because he was beaten so badly and disfigured by Fundora. As far as refs go...if he's ever hurt again or has taken a few shots, they'll probably look to stop his fights a lot sooner. Again, the image of his swollen face is second to none when it comes to most post-fight injuries. Hope he heals up and makes the best moves from here on out. Who knows what will happen with Charlo/Castano and afterwards...there could 4 vacant belts out there sometime next year and he'll probably be more than willing to give it another go.

I'm not sure Fundora allowed him to follow the corners instructions. Fundora smothered him and constantly fired shots. It's not that easy to implement the plan when the other guy doesnt let you. That being said if Lubin trained for a full time fire fight and worked on stepping around that kind of pressure he would get better results. I'm just not sure he could manage to beat Fundora it's a bad style match up for him. Fundora might as well can negate that. The very few times Lubin did it he did well. Also he didn't hold as much but the worst thing Lubin was doing was keeping his head in the center. Those uppercuts just landed too easily.

Yeah. I agree. What I am saying is if he had survived without the injury, we would be complaining about a robbery because I don't see how the judges had Lubin up at that point. I mean that's hard to tell. Maybe he would have had a shot but to me Fundora was winning the fight despite the scorecards. I had it 4-3 Fundora after the 7th round. Then Lubin stopped throwing in the next two two rounds and it was all but over. Still though, just a bad match up for Lubin.

Fair point. I just don’t think that warrants a rematch given the totality of the fight. Up till’ the 6th , I had it Fundora up 1 point So yeah , it was still competitive to that point In the 7th , Lubin got his revenge and knocked Fundora down and I believe that is when he suffered the shoulder injury I’ve seen worse cases where it wasn’t granted but they got the rematch

Great point Do you think his injuries had anything to do with loss ? I also believe if he had time on the clock when he put Fundora down , he would of taken him out i agree with this, they were both saved by the bell. fundora took a knee at the right moment. i wouldn't mind a rematch.

It remains to be seen how Lubin recovers mentally, besides physically. This kind of brutal beating can break something inside, not only the nose. I agree. The beating Lubin took can ruin a fighter's career overnight. We don't know what condition he'll be in both mentally or physically once he returns back to the ring.

I say it's too soon. Lubin has to learn to make some adjustments before ever fighting Fundora again. He needs to implement more road work in his training regimen. He is going to need his legs to move and to move lot against Sebastian. He has to be a fleet-footed fighter in order to win this fight. If Erickson decides to stand trade and exchange flat-footed with Fundora then we will get the same result.

Personally I think he would of gotten Fundora out of there if there was a little more time in the round Fair point. I just don’t think that warrants a rematch given the totality of the fight.

Unlikely, especially with his shoulder injury. He stopped throwing the last two rounds. Fundora would have just continued to pour it on and would have gotten a stoppage without Cunningham having to stop it. Yeah. I agree. What I am saying is if he had survived without the injury, we would be complaining about a robbery because I don't see how the judges had Lubin up at that point.

The judges had Lubin up so maybe if he had survived, he would have gotten the decision. Unlikely, especially with his shoulder injury. He stopped throwing the last two rounds. Fundora would have just continued to pour it on and would have gotten a stoppage without Cunningham having to stop it.

Lubin unfortunately just doesn't have it. Where is Hurd and J-Rock. Tony Harrison always comes back. Those guys have been MIA.

What possible reason would there be a rematch for? Lubin was completely dominated. Yes he had moments. That said, he took a severe and brutal beating. Fondura should move on to the elite in the division. Lubin has now lost both times he’s fought upper echelon opponents in the division. He needs to rebuild back and hopefully he can land another title shot down the road. Personally I think he would of gotten Fundora out of there if there was a little more time in the round

If he listens to his corner and steps around Fundura he might have a chance. If he sits in the middle like he did might as well don't even try to fight the guy. I think Lubin thought that his power would prevail and it didn't. I'm not sure Fundora allowed him to follow the corners instructions. Fundora smothered him and constantly fired shots. It's not that easy to implement the plan when the other guy doesnt let you. That being said if Lubin trained for a full time fire fight and worked on stepping around that kind of pressure he would get better results. I'm just not sure he could manage to beat Fundora it's a bad style match up for him.

It remains to be seen how Lubin recovers mentally, besides physically. This kind of brutal beating can break something inside, not only the nose.

Lubin did not throw much after the 7th round when he got the KD so he may have thrown his shoulder out then or the following round. But even before the KD, he was taking a lot of big shots and was not able to slow Fundora down at all...Just a bad match up for Lubin, who may be the smallest LMW in the top 10. He's really a WW fighting at LMW. There are plenty of WW's that are naturally bigger than him. The judges had Lubin up so maybe if he had survived, he would have gotten the decision.