Watching GGG-Murata, I don't see how that was a bad performance from GGG

I think it has a lot to do with making weight and the travel. Moving up in weight even if he comes in under 168 will be a plus for his conditioning at age 40. Great observation Tony, it makes sense to me I also share the same opinion. I noticed at 164 against rolls he looked physically rejuvenated.

GGG has slowed a bunch... It took him 4 rounds to find his rhythm... Then it was a masterclass of adapting and tearing Murata appart... Stellar if you ask me ... He's still a thing @ MW at 40... That in itself is an achievement... He's also a gentleman, something we don't see often these days in Boxing... At 40 he undoubtedly isn't what he was. But I feel like what I saw vs Murata, was Murata going all out the first 4 to 5 rounds, giving all he could. It was probably a smart gameplan if he really wanted to win. But I think you see why guys don't really try that gameplan vs GGG, even still. Murata took a ton of damage with that approach, and was basically a punching bag by round 5. I think guys like Jacobs or a few others could have tried that same approach vs GGG. But you will take a beating like that. Sergei did it well for 12 rounds, somehow, but he took a beating for his troubles as well. Though for me he had the best claim to winning against GGG of anyone so far. Smart gameplan for some guys if you really want to win, but you will take a lot of damage.

Yeah, I think that's a pretty solid assessment of things. You have a good eye. I had the first two fights 1-1, with Canelo taking the second narrowly, but cleanly. I watched the first fight a few weeks ago and had it wider than I originally thought for GGG. I think the biggest difference in those fights was the constant forward pressure that GGG applied on Canelo. He fought like the bigger, stronger man and his engine was amazing for the entire fight. Based on what we've seen in his recent fights (Deryv, Murata), I just don't think GGG can fight that way anymore. He may still throw more overall punches than Canelo, but I see Canelo landing the harder, flashier shots. This time, I don't see GGG brushing them off so easily. I hope I'm wrong because I want GGG to pull it out. It's going to a tough fight for both guys. I hear ya. I think the Canelo 2nd fight showed guys a blueprint against GGG - try to push him back some and not let him walk you down. Murata tried it, but took too many shots early. Derevy tried it and held up, somehow, with all the shots he took, and to me he has the only legit claim to beating GGG, and I had that one close live. It is a very dangerous way to fight GGG, since he lands often, hard, and clean. And you are putting yourself in his wheelhouse all night. But it is probably the only strategy guys like Sergei or Murata have. Otherwise they will get walked down, jabbed, and then eventually GGG will set up the other shots. Canelo doesn't have to be that aggressive, since he can box well enough while he is being the aggressor. He doesn't need to go balls out. I think Canelo will be the aggressor early on, and GGG may have some tough spots and have to take some tough punches early, especially to the body. But as the fight goes on, I wouldn't be surprised to see GGG start to control the action and walk Canelo back (if the fight is still going on). Canelo doesn't have the engine to throw 740 punches like Sergei did. That's 70 a round. If Canelo could fight just the same way he does, but with a pace of someone like Sergei - well he would be damn near unbeatable, and for a 40 year old GGG, I would struggle to see a real path to victory besides an outside shot at a KO. So I guess we will see. First rounds will definitely be worrisome for GGG. Later rounds could be worrisome for Canelo.

Got to give Murata credit he fought his heart out...

Something I noticed recently with ggg is since his mid 30s he doesn't seem to travel well/adjust to time zones I noticed in particular he looked sickly at the Brook weigh in and the recent murata one. Both fights he started slow got hit more than usual. Maybe a strange coincidence just throwing it out there. I think it has a lot to do with making weight and the travel. Moving up in weight even if he comes in under 168 will be a plus for his conditioning at age 40.

GGG has slowed a bunch... It took him 4 rounds to find his rhythm... Then it was a masterclass of adapting and tearing Murata appart... Stellar if you ask me ... He's still a thing @ MW at 40... That in itself is an achievement... He's also a gentleman, something we don't see often these days in Boxing...

I think the 2 Canelo-GGG fights were similar enough. Canelo held the ring better in fight 2. But both fights were fairly even through the first 4-5 rounds. And then Canelo kind of dips with his activity level, and GGG picks his up. That is where he won both fights for me. He got on a roll and piled up rounds. What the fight with Murata showed me, is GGG is going to be more vulnerable early, than he was in fight 2, and he was more vulnerable in fight 2 early, than he was in fight 1 early. If you follow what I'm saying there. GGG still has a great motor though and still throws lots of hard clean punches throughout. If I had to bet on one outcome, I would bet that Canelo builds a legit early lead this time, and GGG comes back late and it is a true 50/50 type of fight on my card. That being said, Canelo to me still should be quite decently favored as he has a chance to KO GGG and I don't quite see the same chance for GGG at this point. I think GGG can win a narrow decision. I think Canelo can win a wide-ish decision, narrow decision, and could win via KO. Not positive it actually happens any time soon but maybe we will find out how it goes. Yeah, I think that's a pretty solid assessment of things. You have a good eye. I had the first two fights 1-1, with Canelo taking the second narrowly, but cleanly. I watched the first fight a few weeks ago and had it wider than I originally thought for GGG. I think the biggest difference in those fights was the constant forward pressure that GGG applied on Canelo. He fought like the bigger, stronger man and his engine was amazing for the entire fight. Based on what we've seen in his recent fights (Deryv, Murata), I just don't think GGG can fight that way anymore. He may still throw more overall punches than Canelo, but I see Canelo landing the harder, flashier shots. This time, I don't see GGG brushing them off so easily. I hope I'm wrong because I want GGG to pull it out. It's going to a tough fight for both guys.

You might be missing something if you think this fight doesn't give us much to go on as it relates to Canelo vs GGG III. No two fighters are the same and the two Canelo v GGG fights demonstrate that no two fights (even between the same guys) are the same. BUT, those of us who have followed GGG's career know what his attributes are and only his most ardent fan could argue that the 40 year old version is as good as the version from a few years ago. Canelo, on the other hand, is as good or better than he was their last time out. I don't think this means that Canelo walks through him, but I do completely understand why most fans are picking Canelo to win. I personally think its going to be another close, competitive match, or at least I'm hoping for that. I would love to see GGG shock the world and beat Canelo definitively, but I'm not putting money on that outcome. I think the 2 Canelo-GGG fights were similar enough. Canelo held the ring better in fight 2. But both fights were fairly even through the first 4-5 rounds. And then Canelo kind of dips with his activity level, and GGG picks his up. That is where he won both fights for me. He got on a roll and piled up rounds. What the fight with Murata showed me, is GGG is going to be more vulnerable early, than he was in fight 2, and he was more vulnerable in fight 2 early, than he was in fight 1 early. If you follow what I'm saying there. GGG still has a great motor though and still throws lots of hard clean punches throughout. If I had to bet on one outcome, I would bet that Canelo builds a legit early lead this time, and GGG comes back late and it is a true 50/50 type of fight on my card. That being said, Canelo to me still should be quite decently favored as he has a chance to KO GGG and I don't quite see the same chance for GGG at this point. I think GGG can win a narrow decision. I think Canelo can win a wide-ish decision, narrow decision, and could win via KO. Not positive it actually happens any time soon but maybe we will find out how it goes.

What this fight tells me is that Canelo must start fast because Golovkin only gets stronger the longer the fight goes. Agreed...that's how I see it as well.

What this fight tells me is that Canelo must start fast because Golovkin only gets stronger the longer the fight goes.

Canelo is more selective, in large part because he doesn't have the gas tank of someone like GGG. He has to be selective with his punches. GGG did Steve Rolls him. Rolls, like nearly every other GGG opponent, landed some shots on GGG too. At no point in the Murata fight did I say 'oh man Murata is really taking it to him' - evidence of that maybe is that GGG still outlanded Murata in every round. Obviously at age 40, he isn't what he was. But the point of the thread was that the success Murata had wasn't really that great, and any success was mainly a result of the pace of the fight, which Canelo-GGG won't be fought at. If GGG dictates the pace, it will be slightly lower output than that, but again, at GGG's pace. If Canelo dictates the pace, it will be significantly lower output than Murata GGG or Sergei GGG. GGG will be vulnerable early; GGG's age combined with Canelo's freshness and youth early on in fights will net-net lean in Canelo's favor. People on here don't seem to be aware of one of the main rules in boxing - styles make fights. This fight with Murata tells us little about how GGG-Canelo 3 will go. Everything we thought before, is basically the same still. You might be missing something if you think this fight doesn't give us much to go on as it relates to Canelo vs GGG III. No two fighters are the same and the two Canelo v GGG fights demonstrate that no two fights (even between the same guys) are the same. BUT, those of us who have followed GGG's career know what his attributes are and only his most ardent fan could argue that the 40 year old version is as good as the version from a few years ago. Canelo, on the other hand, is as good or better than he was their last time out. I don't think this means that Canelo walks through him, but I do completely understand why most fans are picking Canelo to win. I personally think its going to be another close, competitive match, or at least I'm hoping for that. I would love to see GGG shock the world and beat Canelo definitively, but I'm not putting money on that outcome.

It was an awful performance dude. In what ways?

It was an awful performance dude.

Hey mofo Put your money where your mouth is Pos nuthugger just like the Canelo ones I used to feel for you when you argued with them cause you had po8nts without a doubt but now you became one of them Get back in the basement you fughin gimp Where you at Mula??? I want those quotes of the things I said that you disagree with. And I want this bet made public that you are wanting to make!!! Come on

When Canelo pummels this bum, I don't want to hear any excuses because this is a fight that all of you Cripple G fans want and think he can win for reasons I will never know. Where are you at buddy? I want those quotes!!!!! lol

When Canelo pummels this bum, I don't want to hear any excuses because this is a fight that all of you Cripple G fans want and think he can win for reasons I will never know. Can you quote the comments I made that you disagree with? If you're going to accuse someone of something, at least quote them so everyone can see what you're referring to? Hard to imagine a man who calls a fighter a slur/insult, as not being unbiased huh...way to keep your emotions out of the sport Buddy. Lol.

When Canelo pummels this bum, I don't want to hear any excuses because this is a fight that all of you Cripple G fans want and think he can win for reasons I will never know.

Hey mofo Put your money where your mouth is Pos nuthugger just like the Canelo ones I used to feel for you when you argued with them cause you had po8nts without a doubt but now you became one of them Get back in the basement you fughin gimp What points exactly of mine do you object to? And what exactly is the bet you are offering? I want quotes of the first question I asked.

His style has not tremendously changed lol. He is still a classic high output, volume puncher with a great workrate and stamina. He is OK with taking one to give one. At 40, it's a bold strategy for anyone, but he hasn't changed much. The pace at which GGG usually fights, even today, is much faster than the pace at which Canelo likes to fight. For that reason in large part, GGG won both previous fights with Canelo. The early rounds were competitive, but as the fight went on, Canelo couldn't keep up with GGG's workrate and stamina. As I said, the early rounds will be even more dangerous for GGG in a 3rd fight. But if he can get past those rounds undented, then don't come on here and talk about how Canelo carried him or whatever other BS you would say if the fight goes 12 and it is very competitive. Collect your earnings? You never even made an actual bet you fool lol. If you don't understand my points, that I've made repeatedly since you obviously aren't getting the message, then that's on you man. You clearly aren't smart enough to talk boxing. What I said isn't that difficult to get; it's pretty obvious. Btw I said going into the fight, that GGG-Canelo 2 was 50/50, so not sure how I am over valuing GGG at all. Obviously I would favor Canelo more in fight 3, but my point was that this is not the same type of fight that Canelo has had post-GGG, or that GGG has had post Canelo. GGG still does a lot that can and likely will trouble Canelo. What I am able to do, is separate any emotions when evaluating fights and fighters. You obviously have no such ability.

I know the difference between your and you're. I mean any person who doesn't understand that should not be taken seriously. My 9 year old nephew gets that right 100% of the time. And I wouldn't have any real substantive argument with him about anything. He clearly isn't mentally developed enough yet. You are worse than him, so what's the point here. Any dummy who says GGG 'got schooled in fight 2' lol. I mean boxing analysis just isn't for you man. You obviously have no idea what you're watching lol. Schooling someone means dominating, outlanding heavily, not fighting well in spurts, and getting outlanded by 30 punches and in almost every round. If you want to ask me for advice on boxing, I'll have a convo with you. Otherwise talking to you is a waste of time. You have no idea what you're even looking at lol. Hey mofo Put your money where your mouth is Pos nuthugger just like the Canelo ones I used to feel for you when you argued with them cause you had po8nts without a doubt but now you became one of them Get back in the basement you fughin gimp