Posters and their favoritism to certain promoters

Since I am the one that calls you that for your pbc stance let me address why. To your 1st paragraph: PBC was fired HBO. When they were, Bob and other stopped working with them. Once pbc got a deal and was successful, then slimy Bob wanted to work again. You and others NEVER point that out. You and others act like Haymon caused this when he didn’t. Although you may not intend it this way, when I see you and others leave out details and say things like , “ we need Haymon out he’s a cancer” because he made it on his own after he was done dirty, it feels racially motivated, even though that isn’t the intention. To your 2nd paragraph: why do you equate this to black boxers careers being “stunted”? I’ve never seen that language used when non pbc guys turn down deals. Again, may not be your intention but when you only do this with the pbc guys it comes off as racially motivated. Added to that, none of these men you listed have ever complained about haymon or pbc. It’s like you and others can’t accept that they are happy with what haymon did with them. You guys seem to want to force a false narrative. Not to be repetitive but again when you do things like this only with pbc it feels like the motivation is something other than what is best for the sport. You have always posted your beef with haymon isn’t because he’s black. Ok but as I’ve posted in response to you a number of times when I see coded language used or I see posts like the crazy conspiracy theories you posted after the Canelo/Plant 1st cancellation blaming haymon wasn’t it wasn’t his fault, that isn’t right. That feels like something else other than just dislike: When he gets accused of giving Hispanics jobs “just to lose to blacks” and that post!is liked, that is outrageously ignorant. What plausible reason is there for that? So as I’ve posted I take you at your word, but just think about the points I’m making. You know what, that is an excellent response. You make some very good points. I will be honest I'm struggling to think of a good reply to some of those points.

it clearly was a cherry pick. fury was fighting on undercards...undercards. fury had looked horrible...horrible. he wasn't relevant at all. wilder himself said i chose to fight you when you were fat and coked up, you should thank me. they even gave fury a 50-50 split to entice him into the fight because fury had said he needed a bunch more fights until he stepped up his competition due to his ring rust. that's a lot of evidence pointing towards a cherry pick. Exactly so. The first fight was definitely a cherry pick by Wilder. He was encouraged to give it another go by knocking Fury down twice and almost knocking him out for the count in the final round. He gave it a third go because he had nowhere else to go and nothing to lose after getting embarrassed and humiliated in the second fight.

Fury IS the best HW of his generation. Fury-Wilder a “cherry pick”. :lol1: F*** me you anti-PBC morons are deluded. Who the best HW of this generation is will be determined in the ring, with the top guys fighting each other, not by fans sounding off online. So far, Fury's promoters don't seem keen on allowing him to fight either AJ or Usyk. Whether Fury turns out to be the best or not, it's a fact that nobody regarded him as such when he came out of retirement looking like a shadow of his former self against Seferi and Pianeta. That was when Wilder cherry picked him. Fury himself has said that Wilder saw him as a cherry pick. Wilder himself has said that he turned down more money to fight AJ than he got for fighting Fury.

Lol good luck trying to get anybody to acknowledge that little statement from Crispy Bob. The reality is they are all at it. They are all putting their business ahead of the fighters and the fighters legacies. But in my opinion the biggest culprits by far have been the PBC and this has been the reason I have had such an issue on this forum with the PBC. Certain numptys on here call me racist for beating on the PBC cuz it's run by a black man but Wilder could of been undisputed and 100 million better off but Haymon was against it. Spence, Charlo, GRJ, Luis Ortiz and plenty of others have had fantastic opportunities refused, denied, knocked back and so on. That's black fighters careers stunted or under achieved because the man at the helm don't give a fkk about them. The other promoters can be accused of being the same but they seem to have a limit before they give their fighters the chance to do something Since I am the one that calls you that for your pbc stance let me address why. To your 1st paragraph: PBC was fired HBO. When they were, Bob and other stopped working with them. Once pbc got a deal and was successful, then slimy Bob wanted to work again. You and others NEVER point that out. You and others act like Haymon caused this when he didn’t. Although you may not intend it this way, when I see you and others leave out details and say things like , “ we need Haymon out he’s a cancer” because he made it on his own after he was done dirty, it feels racially motivated, even though that isn’t the intention. To your 2nd paragraph: why do you equate this to black boxers careers being “stunted”? I’ve never seen that language used when non pbc guys turn down deals. Again, may not be your intention but when you only do this with the pbc guys it comes off as racially motivated. Added to that, none of these men you listed have ever complained about haymon or pbc. It’s like you and others can’t accept that they are happy with what haymon did with them. You guys seem to want to force a false narrative. Not to be repetitive but again when you do things like this only with pbc it feels like the motivation is something other than what is best for the sport. You have always posted your beef with haymon isn’t because he’s black. Ok but as I’ve posted in response to you a number of times when I see coded language used or I see posts like the crazy conspiracy theories you posted after the Canelo/Plant 1st cancellation blaming haymon wasn’t it wasn’t his fault, that isn’t right. That feels like something else other than just dislike: When he gets accused of giving Hispanics jobs “just to lose to blacks” and that post!is liked, that is outrageously ignorant. What plausible reason is there for that? So as I’ve posted I take you at your word, but just think about the points I’m making.

It is annoying but also like anything else. I see the same thing in republicans vs democrats, conservatives vs liberals, Sony vs Microsoft, Marvel vs DC, straight vs gay/LGBT, black vs white, religion vs religion, and so on. The side you pick to defend, can’t do any wrong, and anyone that opposes a single opinion of yours is your enemy. Boxing is so extreme with the gangs and factions though. It’s not only picking boxing promoters. That’s second to race/color in boxing lol. I really enjoy the freedom of not giving a fck about race, skin color, geographic locations or promoters. I find it very amusing how in one post I am called out on hating Deontay Wilder and being a Tyson Fury fan, and in another thread I am called out for my supposed bias towards Wilder. It goes to show how set boxing fans are in basically NOT debating anything and instead just pointing fingers at the other person in being from the other side. No one actually debates anything anymore. No one refutes with facts or well formed opinions. Arguments between most people on any subject, not only boxing, consists of “Well, oh yeah? You’re talking bad about my favorite person? Look at what YOUR favorite person did doe!” Nobody cares that that what the other person said could be true. They just care about picking on something bad about what they assume is who you cheerlead for. Conservatives and Liberals are notorious for this. But yes, so do boxing fans. This is a very valid point I just cant understand having to pick one and all others are wrong. As a fan I dont give 2 shits what promotional company puts the show on as long as it's a decent show. I really dont even care who's fighting as long as it's a good fight. I am a fan of certain fighters but not to the point of all others are crap or enough to justify any ducking or dodging they may do against other top notch opponents. Case in point I'm a huge fan of Tank. His style and grit and ability is top notch to me but I dont know what the hell he doing. He should be a unified champ at 135 by now but he is just seeing dollars signs. That doesnt mean i can blame anyone other than him. It's his choice to sign a contract and that being said I'm still a fan because i like watching him fight. Good post brother!

Fury IS the best HW of his generation. Fury-Wilder a “cherry pick”. :lol1: F*** me you anti-PBC morons are deluded. it clearly was a cherry pick. fury was fighting on undercards...undercards. fury had looked horrible...horrible. he wasn't relevant at all. wilder himself said i chose to fight you when you were fat and coked up, you should thank me. they even gave fury a 50-50 split to entice him into the fight because fury had said he needed a bunch more fights until he stepped up his competition due to his ring rust. that's a lot of evidence pointing towards a cherry pick.

It is annoying but also like anything else. I see the same thing in republicans vs democrats, conservatives vs liberals, Sony vs Microsoft, Marvel vs DC, straight vs gay/LGBT, black vs white, religion vs religion, and so on. The side you pick to defend, can’t do any wrong, and anyone that opposes a single opinion of yours is your enemy. Boxing is so extreme with the gangs and factions though. It’s not only picking boxing promoters. That’s second to race/color in boxing lol. I really enjoy the freedom of not giving a fck about race, skin color, geographic locations or promoters. I find it very amusing how in one post I am called out on hating Deontay Wilder and being a Tyson Fury fan, and in another thread I am called out for my supposed bias towards Wilder. It goes to show how set boxing fans are in basically NOT debating anything and instead just pointing fingers at the other person in being from the other side. No one actually debates anything anymore. No one refutes with facts or well formed opinions. Arguments between most people on any subject, not only boxing, consists of “Well, oh yeah? You’re talking bad about my favorite person? Look at what YOUR favorite person did doe!” Nobody cares that that what the other person said could be true. They just care about picking on something bad about what they assume is who you cheerlead for. Conservatives and Liberals are notorious for this. But yes, so do boxing fans.

We've seen how PBC work with Canelo. If he wants to fight one of their names, it has to be on their show. Otherwise, no fight. Canelo-Plant was actually a co-promotion between Canelo Promotions and TGB promotions. On top of that as part of the bout agreement DAZN were given international rights to broadcast the fight in several countries. So again, despite the fact you have this weird agenda against PBC, they again showed they can be diplomatic with rivals in negotiations.

Just fuck right off with that bullshit! Was anybody calling Fury the best HW of his generation when he came back from from 2+ years out of the ring, boozing, binge eating and coke sniffing to fight Seferi and Pianeta? He looked and performed like shit in both those comeback fights, which was the only reason Wilder and Finkel wanted to fight him ... for the "prestigious lineal title" :rofl: Fury IS the best HW of his generation. Fury-Wilder a “cherry pick”. :lol1: F*** me you anti-PBC morons are deluded.

Basically. As long as the fights happen who cares. The fights don’t happen with PBC. We've seen how PBC work with Canelo. If he wants to fight one of their names, it has to be on their show. Otherwise, no fight.

It’s nothing to do with football culture. :lol1: Football fans are actually the loyal and supportive fans in all of sports, not that it’s in any way relevant… TR and PBC have co-promoted with each other far more than Matchroom have with either. That’s a fact. For whatever reason all you anti-PBC freaks just can’t accept that. Weird f***ers… It's a fact which means nothing relevant to this discussion, because you could just as easily interpret it as Matchroom being more willing to step aside and allow their fighters on other promoter's shows without insisting on a slice of the pie themselves. In other words, it's nothing but sophistry. I know you like your sophistry, so here's an interesting question for you .... the 3 top HWs in the world are Fury (TR) Usyk (K2) and Joshua (Matchroom) How come the Matchroom and K2 guys have fought each other once, and are about to fight each other again, but the TR guy hasn't fought either of them?

Some promoters won't allow their "name" guys to fight anybody signed with a rival outfit unless they get a slice of the pie themselves, with a co-promotion. Others, like Eddie Hearn, are willing to step aside if that's what it takes to let a big fight happen. You are being very disingenuous characterising Hearn's willingness to do that as refusing to work with other promoters. Basically. As long as the fights happen who cares. The fights don’t happen with PBC.

Loma-Campbell does count, I never said it didn’t. Hearn was still at Sky at the time though, things have changed now. Since Hearn/DAZN have forayed into the US market they haven’t worked with anybody else yet. Spin it however you want that’s a fact. Bob/ESPN and Haymon/PBC on the other hand have PROVEN they will work together, that’s my only point here. Just put your anti-PBC agenda aside and look at the facts. You’re just one of these anti-PBC weirdo’s man. You literally called Wilder fighting Fury (the best HW of his generation) a “cherry pick”. :lol1: If that’s not agenda driven BS I don’t know what is… Just fuck right off with that bullshit! Was anybody calling Fury the best HW of his generation when he came back from from 2+ years out of the ring, boozing, binge eating and coke sniffing to fight Seferi and Pianeta? He looked and performed like shit in both those comeback fights, which was the only reason Wilder and Finkel wanted to fight him ... for the "prestigious lineal title" :rofl:

They all have their faults, some more than others and they’re all capable of making great cards once in a while, again some more than others. However, one thing I’ll give to Haymon/PBC and Arum/TR is they will work together to make big fights happen now and then such as Fury-Wilder 2 & 3 and Crawford-Porter for example. Hearn/DAZN on the other hand seem incapable of doing so yet always try and play the victim as if everyone else is the problem when actions clearly suggest otherwise. If these three outfits could just put their ego’s aside and make the best fights more often there would be far less dissension between fanbases. How did this offend you so bad Split Second??? Weirdo… :lol1:

I’m not emotional whatsoever but you’re seriously emotional in regards to PBC. My OP literally said all three have their faults but at least TR and PBC actually work together to make fights like Fury-Wilder, Crawford-Porter etc. Then for some reason you got all emotional about it with your crazy anti-PBC agenda. Very strange… Ok man. W/e you say. I don’t want you to get any more butt hurt than you already are. Let’s be friends now.

I think at this stage most view PBC for what they are (They’ve told you straight up on a few occasions). You’re the weird one in the minority. Look at how emotional you’re getting right now. I’m not emotional whatsoever but you’re seriously emotional in regards to PBC. My OP literally said all three have their faults but at least TR and PBC actually work together to make fights like Fury-Wilder, Crawford-Porter etc. Then for some reason you got all emotional about it with your crazy anti-PBC agenda. Very strange…

:lol1: :lol1: Absolutely no logic behind that. Did Al Haymon touch you up as a child or something? This seems very personal to you. F***ing weirdo… I think at this stage most view PBC for what they are (They’ve told you straight up on a few occasions). You’re the weird one in the minority. Look at how emotional you’re getting right now.

It's hilarious that you are so lacking in self awareness as to post that in a thread asking why certain posters are stuck on loving and or hating promotional companies. One explanation is British posters like you bringing their UK football culture attitudes into boxing discussions. Football culture is as much about hating, blaming and belittling the opposition as it is about supporting your own team. You give yourself away with by talking about "Matchroom FC fans" and similar bull****. It’s nothing to do with football culture. :lol1: Football fans are actually the loyal and supportive fans in all of sports, not that it’s in any way relevant… TR and PBC have co-promoted with each other far more than Matchroom have with either. That’s a fact. For whatever reason all you anti-PBC freaks just can’t accept that. Weird f***ers…

That just makes you a bigger cuck. I haven’t said anything anyone else in the business hasn’t said. You keep stroking that pipe though. :lol1: :lol1: Absolutely no logic behind that. Did Al Haymon touch you up as a child or something? This seems very personal to you. F***ing weirdo…

Lol. I didn’t realise your criteria was only co-promotions. Yes. PBC are way more **** about letting anyone off their island. We all know. Shouldn’t have mentioned Porter-Crawford then neither as that was no co-promotion. PBC did exactly ZERO promotion for that fight. He's caught me out before with the same trick. Apparently, "working with other promoters" can have different meanings, depending on the agenda being plugged.