Canelo is about to fight Bivol. What is Spence and Crawford's excuse for not daring to be great?

Floyd got 60/40. He never would have accepted 50/50. The problem is Crawford and Spence can't generate the revenue to pay the purse each man wants. How can you say that though? If Fury and Wilder did great numbers, why wouldn't Crawford and Spence?

I like how fighting Bivol is daring to be great. I'm sorry. Who has Bivol beaten? Shawn Porter is a better scalp than Bivol. Joe smith jr and pascal Bivol is undefeated and in his prime. Shawn porter had several losses and was washed.

I like how fighting Bivol is daring to be great. I'm sorry. Who has Bivol beaten? Shawn Porter is a better scalp than Bivol.

It doesn't work that way, when a big fight with the biggest names bubbles away and becomes the only real fight of a glamor division, there is really no A side, just like Floyd Manny, the biggest A side in the game was Floyd and he excepted 50/50 which is unheard of for him, he couldn't get the fight without agreeing to 50/50, that's kinda where TC and Spence are, there is no 60/40 in that fight its an insult to the 40 guy, if they are dead serious to make the fight then 50/50 should seal it, that's when you see who really wants the fight. And besides Spence might be finished we don't know until the Ugas fight. Floyd got 60/40. He never would have accepted 50/50. The problem is Crawford and Spence can't generate the revenue to pay the purse each man wants.

Neither Crawford or Spencer are gonna get paid what windmill and fury got. Spencer just didn't want the fight. That simple. "ima clean up my side of the street" when he hadn't even fought anyone yet "Let him get a belt and then we can talk" Crawford beat horn in 2018 and Spencer still didn't want it. Crawford and Spence would sell more than Wilder and Fury. Wouldn't you agree

If you saw the person I was responding too HES the one who brought them up. And also it is similar so idk what your on about. They both have the same promoters (Bob and al) and they were able to make the fight 3 times. So it's all clear that Spencer doesn't want the fight It doesn't work that way, when a big fight with the biggest names bubbles away and becomes the only real fight of a glamor division, there is really no A side, just like Floyd Manny, the biggest A side in the game was Floyd and he excepted 50/50 which is unheard of for him, he couldn't get the fight without agreeing to 50/50, that's kinda where TC and Spence are, there is no 60/40 in that fight its an insult to the 40 guy, if they are dead serious to make the fight then 50/50 should seal it, that's when you see who really wants the fight. And besides Spence might be finished we don't know until the Ugas fight.

I heard some hillbilly from texas say something like " Big fish, Call Al, 60-40 or 70-30 or whatever we give him"

160 saunders vs 147 Bud, but the point is Bud can't get who he wants because he doesn't have canelo's financial privilege Your boy is going to end up like GGG. Waiting until he's 100 years old before making meaning moves. Then his fans will say the other guy is picking on an old timer :(

GGG waited until Nelo went first to chase greatness :boxing: Limits his chase TO Nelo :lol1: Chasing $$$$ more like it.

Well BJS is at 168 and Bud at 147. So I wouldn't exactly make that argument. But yeah pfp imo Crawford is right there with anyone. Canelo Bud Usyk and Fury are top tier for me. 160 saunders vs 147 Bud, but the point is Bud can't get who he wants because he doesn't have canelo's financial privilege

Like do people really think Bud couldn't beat BJS? Billy almost lost to Willie Monroe ffs and Bud is much better boxer and harder hitting. But even if Bud offered BJS that fight he would Never take it because there's no money and wayyyy too risky. Well BJS is at 168 and Bud at 147. So I wouldn't exactly make that argument. But yeah pfp imo Crawford is right there with anyone. Canelo Bud Usyk and Fury are top tier for me.

Yep......... Like do people really think Bud couldn't beat BJS? Billy almost lost to Willie Monroe ffs and Bud is much better boxer and harder hitting. But even if Bud offered BJS that fight he would Never take it because there's no money and wayyyy too risky.

Facts, it's amazing how many don't get this. Actually they do get it I think they just use it as a weapon so they can use Canelo's financial privilege to attack and slander and spread misinformation about fighters like Bud. Bud can't get fights like Plant, BJS, Smith because he doesn't have the financial power to. Period. Most guys are gonna say no to a fight with Bud, nobody will say no to a fight w Canelo. Yep.........

When you're the megastar, it is not only easier to win fights, but it is easier to make fights - because you can pick your opponent easier. You can then pick the terms of the fight, and add 'names' that way. That's why guys like Callum Smith and Kovalev are on there. Good clean wins. But the very definition of a cherry pick. When you are the super duper star - it is easier to cherry pick. End of story. Facts, it's amazing how many don't get this. Actually they do get it I think they just use it as a weapon so they can use Canelo's financial privilege to attack and slander and spread misinformation about fighters like Bud. Bud can't get fights like Plant, BJS, Smith because he doesn't have the financial power to. Period. Most guys are gonna say no to a fight with Bud, nobody will say no to a fight w Canelo.

When you're the megastar, it is not only easier to win fights, but it is easier to make fights - because you can pick your opponent easier. You can then pick the terms of the fight, and add 'names' that way. That's why guys like Callum Smith and Kovalev are on there. Good clean wins. But the very definition of a cherry pick. When you are the super duper star - it is easier to cherry pick. End of story.

Neither Crawford or Spencer are gonna get paid what windmill and fury got. Spencer just didn't want the fight. That simple. "ima clean up my side of the street" when he hadn't even fought anyone yet "Let him get a belt and then we can talk" Crawford beat horn in 2018 and Spencer still didn't want it. And they wont generate anywhere near what the worlds best HWs will I don't even get why you're going on about Fury Wilder for ts not even remotely similar.

Not enough money fro that fight with how much each wants.

Neither Crawford or Spencer are gonna get paid what windmill and fury got. Spencer just didn't want the fight. That simple. "ima clean up my side of the street" when he hadn't even fought anyone yet "Let him get a belt and then we can talk" Crawford beat horn in 2018 and Spencer still didn't want it. You’re as full of shyte as it gets. Crawford resigned with Top Rank knowing at the time every other relevant welter was with PBC. Then Crawford said 60/40 in my favor or no fight. Why in the phuck would Spence agree to 40% of a purse that he brings in 80% of the revenue? Got an answer or are you just gonna regurgitate more stupidity?

Bud is already great but I will admit that if Canelo wins without controversy then that will surpass Bud's win over Porter when he made history by becoming the fist man ever to KO Shawn porter. Not even prime Kelly Book, Keith Thurman, or Spence could do that.

Not Crawfords fault Spencer doesn't want to fight him. Arum was able to make fury-wilder trilogy and Crawford-porter. It pretty much comes down to the fighters and it's clear Spencer is just plain scared. Fckn grow up its nothing to do with scared, you guys think it's a schoolyard street beef, the money they both want is one of the major reasons and its always easy to make the 2nd tier fights as opposed to the really big ones, what goes on in the negotiating room should be telecast then we can see all the BS that's involved. What did Fury Wilder generate?