Is that they don't want to dealing with mandatories from Haney and Lomachenko and other fighters , Don't expect Gervonta to fight any of these top fighters anytime soon
I don't think Tank is drawing in anyone that doesn't follow boxing. Unfortunately those 2 stooges the Paul brothers are doing that more than any boxer could.
people's money is to spend how they choose but my opinion is they are throwing it away on garbage fights same as the dummies who pay to watch the Paul brothers
The difference being Tank, Barrios and Cruz are legitimate pros ranked by sanctioning bodies and legitimate media that cover the sport.
They are all real pros while the Paul brothers and their opponents are not ranked by any sanctioning body or media and are not life long pros.
Respectfully, for you to equate the two is ridiculous bullish-t.
I’m fine if you want Tank to fight better pros. But he not anyone he fought is in any way similar to Paul brother fights.
So what? Tank is bringing in non boxing fans. I thought bringing in new and different eyes to the sport is a good thing. Now it’s suddenly bad for the sport?
Dude now people can’t even spend their money in their own homes. Both of those Tank fights were entertaining.
You made a point that touched on an important thing people overlook.
The tank fans don’t know Cruz or Barrios. True. That Is a good thing in this case because they didn’t pre judge either and got 2 really good, exciting fights worth the money spent, something you and others usually point out keeps fans coming back.
There are posters on this site who are presumably die hard fans that are angry Tank is drawing non diehard fans. That just doesn’t make sense to me.
I don't think Tank is drawing in anyone that doesn't follow boxing. Unfortunately those 2 stooges the Paul brothers are doing that more than any boxer could.
people's money is to spend how they choose but my opinion is they are throwing it away on garbage fights same as the dummies who pay to watch the Paul brothers
Lol you still pretending Tank is the WBA champ? I always have plenty to say about Arum, he is every bit as toxic as Haymon.
We both remember what Floyd said about inhouse and not helping other promoters and he is being true to his word. Honest of him but it dint make it any less of a scum bag move.
So you can’t admit you’re wrong here. Instead you now pivot to “ pretending tank is wba champ” because you didn’t know his fight against Rolly was the same as Teo against Kambosis, which you co-signed, but criticized Tank for.
How is it a scumbag move by telling boxing fans his true plan with Tank and that he isn’t going to make another promotion money?
The scumbag move is doing that exact same thing but lying to fans through the media.
Man please, 99.9% of Tank fans never heard of Cruz until he got announced as the replacement and same with Barrios, they never heard of that dude either. And neither guy are anywhere close to world beaters, they both were there to take the L and showcase Tank, Cruz just happened to fight his best fight ever that night.
Paying $75 for fights that should be on regualr tv makes them morons and that goes for every fighters fans that pay for garbage PPV. Whoever pays for Martin vs Ortiz take the prize as the biggest morons around though
So what? Tank is bringing in non boxing fans. I thought bringing in new and different eyes to the sport is a good thing. Now it’s suddenly bad for the sport?
Dude now people can’t even spend their money in their own homes. Both of those Tank fights were entertaining.
You made a point that touched on an important thing people overlook.
The tank fans don’t know Cruz or Barrios. True. That Is a good thing in this case because they didn’t pre judge either and got 2 really good, exciting fights worth the money spent, something you and others usually point out keeps fans coming back.
There are posters on this site who are presumably die hard fans that are angry Tank is drawing non diehard fans. That just doesn’t make sense to me.
Yea we’d all prefer that but if it doesn’t happen let’s just not make things up about blocking and ducking just to force them into a narrative.
2022 is the year for the "other lightweights" (Haney, Davis, Cryan and if Teo decides to stay) to show and prove vs one another
Why do fans have to be morons if they choose to arch a Tank fight?
Espn and hbo market “ Mexican warriors” and Mexican action. Are those fans morons to for paying their money to see lesser talented boxers?
How are Cruz and Barrios nobodies?
Man please, 99.9% of Tank fans never heard of Cruz until he got announced as the replacement and same with Barrios, they never heard of that dude either. And neither guy are anywhere close to world beaters, they both were there to take the L and showcase Tank, Cruz just happened to fight his best fight ever that night.
Paying $75 for fights that should be on regualr tv makes them morons and that goes for every fighters fans that pay for garbage PPV. Whoever pays for Martin vs Ortiz take the prize as the biggest morons around though
Too many complications for this fight to even get into negotiation phase.
For one, it's outside of the US and TMT can't be the one dictating terms,
which is a no no for Mr Floyd/Haymon/PBC, what have you.
Unless, of course, PBC makes bigger offer than the one available
for Kambosos down under. Waste of time even thinking about this fight.
More realistic fights to make for Tank are with Garcia, Haney,
would be a miracle if they'll even consider Loma.
Not sure what his game plan is moving forward. If he won’t fight Loma, Kambosos, Lopez, or Haney at 135, and won’t go near Taylor at 140, then who is he fighting? Ryan Garcia is the only name left that can sell fights.
What I am saying is Teo lost to Kambosis, Loma lost to Teo, and there isn’t one bit of factual evidence that Tank is being blocked from a fight with Kambosis by Floyd. None.
Rolly was the #1 ranked wba contender and mando to Tank’s “belt”. Tank was making his mando same as Teo. You only faulted Tank. You didn’t know Rolly was the mando?
When Rolly got in his situation Cruz, a more respected opponent was picked. He was then labeled as a bum because according to many ( I forget if you were one of them) “Haymon only gives Hispanics fights for them to lose”.
The facts here show you and others judge Tanks opponents by your narrative, not their talent, skill or ability to force it into the “Tank isn’t fighting anyone” narrative.
Tank, not any of the other top LW’s except Haney, are fighting anyone out of promotion.
Floyd was at least honest about it. Bob is doing the same thing. You and others say nothing.
I’m just asking you why and you will not answer.If I’m with wrong, explain how I am missing things.
Lol you still pretending Tank is the WBA champ? I always have plenty to say about Arum, he is every bit as toxic as Haymon.
We both remember what Floyd said about inhouse and not helping other promoters and he is being true to his word. Honest of him but it dint make it any less of a scum bag move.
"Rankings" aside,who have they beaten to suggest they aren't? Cruzs only notable win was a shot to shiet Vargas who was annihilated by Berchelt and Barrios had already got his ass beat by a club level fighter in Akmedov.
Triangle theories are not how we judge quality opposition. Styles make fights, not previous opponents.
You’re opinions of who they beat and fought are in a vacuum. Maybe they got better.
Again I’m not suggesting they are hofer or ATG. Just solid opponents.
So what you are saying is I am wrong and Tank and his handlers are actively trying to get the fights against the champions or Loma or Teo? You know, the ones considered and ranked as the best.
The difference between Kambosos being as much of an under dog to Teo as Cruz was to Tank is Kambosos was a mandated fight for world titles. Teo didn't pick Kambosos he was mandated to fight him. Can you say the same for Tank, did some governing body rule that Tank had to fight Cruz? Or Romero?
What I am saying is Teo lost to Kambosis, Loma lost to Teo, and there isn’t one bit of factual evidence that Tank is being blocked from a fight with Kambosis by Floyd. None.
Rolly was the #1 ranked wba contender and mando to Tank’s “belt”. Tank was making his mando same as Teo. You only faulted Tank. You didn’t know Rolly was the mando?
When Rolly got in his situation Cruz, a more respected opponent was picked. He was then labeled as a bum because according to many ( I forget if you were one of them) “Haymon only gives Hispanics fights for them to lose”.
The facts here show you and others judge Tanks opponents by your narrative, not their talent, skill or ability to force it into the “Tank isn’t fighting anyone” narrative.
Tank, not any of the other top LW’s except Haney, are fighting anyone out of promotion.
Floyd was at least honest about it. Bob is doing the same thing. You and others say nothing.
I’m just asking you why and you will not answer.If I’m with wrong, explain how I am missing things.
Why do fans have to be morons if they choose to arch a Tank fight?
Espn and hbo market “ Mexican warriors” and Mexican action. Are those fans morons to for paying their money to see lesser talented boxers?
How are Cruz and Barrios nobodies?
"Rankings" aside,who have they beaten to suggest they aren't? Cruzs only notable win was a shot to shiet Vargas who was annihilated by Berchelt and Barrios had already got his ass beat by a club level fighter in Akmedov.
You don’t mandate anyone else say that. Why Tank?
Tank’s last opponent was ranked higher by some bodies than Loma last 2 and Haney’s last opponents. He was right behind Teo’s last opponent in the ibf rankings. His previous opponent was undefeated in a higher weight class. How exactly are those out “out of the flow of top level boxing”?
why do you make such a big deal only about what Tank and his team say? You get so angry that they use their negotiating power. You’re never angry at anyone else that does this.
Tank just fought a dude ranked in the top 10 of 3 of the major sanctioning bodies, same as each boxer you posted above as “ fighting for championships”. Yet you’re only critical of Tank.
No one is ramming anything down your throat about Tank being great. Any assessment I’ve made is based on who he fought and defeated.
Cruz,Barrios, linares, Leo are all solid pros. If they fought any of the other guys I doubt you’d be as critical.
When Tank fights solid pros, you unfairly and falsely label them poor solely because it isn’t one of the guys you want, rather than base them on their skills and abilities. That is my issue.
Put it this way- Kambosis was about the same underdog to Teo as Cruz was to Tank. Kambosis #1 IBF, Cruz #2. You had no issue with Teo fighting Kambosis but you took issue with Tank fighting Cruz.
That simply doesn’t make any rational sense from a “ Normal flow of boxing” perspective. Your issue is clearly for another reason. What is that reason?
So what you are saying is I am wrong and Tank and his handlers are actively trying to get the fights against the champions or Loma or Teo? You know, the ones considered and ranked as the best.
The difference between Kambosos being as much of an under dog to Teo as Cruz was to Tank is Kambosos was a mandated fight for world titles. Teo didn't pick Kambosos he was mandated to fight him. Can you say the same for Tank, did some governing body rule that Tank had to fight Cruz? Or Romero?
Look, when Tank and his handlers come out and say "right we will actively look to take on the best fighters" and we see them actively trying to take on the best fighters then Tank is in the game, in the mix, but right now he has stepped to the side of the normal flow of top level Boxing, he is doing his own thing and his management make no secrets about it. Right now him and Ryan Garcia are in no position to be big talking and smack talking all those fighters they are not prepared to fight.
Haney, Loma, Teo, Kambosos are fighting in the championship circle, Tank and Ryan Garcia are not.
But the bug bear is the BS that comes from Tank, his handlers and his fans. We all know how Ellerbe washed away any thought of a Josh Taylor fight as Josh Taylor is an unknown. If they don't wana face Taylor that's fine but he's a bigger name than the 2 ppl Tank has faced since that comment. ELLERBE IS TALKING BS.
Imagine the magnitude with in the flow of normal championship Boxing of Tank beating Josh Taylor and becoming an undisputed world champion. But Nahhh he ain't a big draw?
Like I say, when Tank and his owners want to come to the party and be part of it then that's all good, Tank is a top notch Boxer and deserves to be allowed to mix it and try to become a great of the sport. But right now he isn't and won't try to do any of that yet his fans and handlers try to ram down our throats that he is a great of the sport.
Surely you must see that. You can accuse me of being like this just cuz he is PBC or black or what ever turns your cogs but the reality is he isn't fighting the best to prove he is the best while we get to hear about how he is the best but doesn't need to prove he is the best.
You don’t mandate anyone else say that. Why Tank?
Tank’s last opponent was ranked higher by some bodies than Loma last 2 and Haney’s last opponents. He was right behind Teo’s last opponent in the ibf rankings. His previous opponent was undefeated in a higher weight class. How exactly are those out “out of the flow of top level boxing”?
why do you make such a big deal only about what Tank and his team say? You get so angry that they use their negotiating power. You’re never angry at anyone else that does this.
Tank just fought a dude ranked in the top 10 of 3 of the major sanctioning bodies, same as each boxer you posted above as “ fighting for championships”. Yet you’re only critical of Tank.
No one is ramming anything down your throat about Tank being great. Any assessment I’ve made is based on who he fought and defeated.
Cruz,Barrios, linares, Leo are all solid pros. If they fought any of the other guys I doubt you’d be as critical.
When Tank fights solid pros, you unfairly and falsely label them poor solely because it isn’t one of the guys you want, rather than base them on their skills and abilities. That is my issue.
Put it this way- Kambosis was about the same underdog to Teo as Cruz was to Tank. Kambosis #1 IBF, Cruz #2. You had no issue with Teo fighting Kambosis but you took issue with Tank fighting Cruz.
That simply doesn’t make any rational sense from a “ Normal flow of boxing” perspective. Your issue is clearly for another reason. What is that reason?
They never said that. Floyd said in house fights only earlier last year. As I posted both in house fight5, Barrios and Cruz, we’re decent fights that you and others criticized for reasons other than their actual talent, skill and abilities.
Your comment about living in a certain world is complete and utter bullish-t. You have given opinions on who you think will win a fight when guys haven’t fought. Yet you are criticizing Tank fans for doing same. Why?
You also only mandate certain guys prove things. They always seem to be pbc boxers. If you had the same standard for everyone there would be no issue.
Look, when Tank and his handlers come out and say "right we will actively look to take on the best fighters" and we see them actively trying to take on the best fighters then Tank is in the game, in the mix, but right now he has stepped to the side of the normal flow of top level Boxing, he is doing his own thing and his management make no secrets about it. Right now him and Ryan Garcia are in no position to be big talking and smack talking all those fighters they are not prepared to fight.
Haney, Loma, Teo, Kambosos are fighting in the championship circle, Tank and Ryan Garcia are not.
But the bug bear is the BS that comes from Tank, his handlers and his fans. We all know how Ellerbe washed away any thought of a Josh Taylor fight as Josh Taylor is an unknown. If they don't wana face Taylor that's fine but he's a bigger name than the 2 ppl Tank has faced since that comment. ELLERBE IS TALKING BS.
Imagine the magnitude with in the flow of normal championship Boxing of Tank beating Josh Taylor and becoming an undisputed world champion. But Nahhh he ain't a big draw?
Like I say, when Tank and his owners want to come to the party and be part of it then that's all good, Tank is a top notch Boxer and deserves to be allowed to mix it and try to become a great of the sport. But right now he isn't and won't try to do any of that yet his fans and handlers try to ram down our throats that he is a great of the sport.
Surely you must see that. You can accuse me of being like this just cuz he is PBC or black or what ever turns your cogs but the reality is he isn't fighting the best to prove he is the best while we get to hear about how he is the best but doesn't need to prove he is the best.
Tank fans are morons and they'll get taken for their money as long as Floyd and Ellerbe think they can get away with it. People like to sh^^ on Floyd but at least he was fighting guys that were hot and coming off big wins. They're selling Tank against nobodies at this point while his whole division is hot and there are some studs at 140 also where he moved up to fight some random nobody cared about.
Why do fans have to be morons if they choose to arch a Tank fight?
Espn and hbo market “ Mexican warriors” and Mexican action. Are those fans morons to for paying their money to see lesser talented boxers?
How are Cruz and Barrios nobodies?