Is Floyd “TBE” Mayweather responsible for Canelos career?

But what did you’re eyes think about the asterisk next to those wins? Old ancient Oscar and even at that It was a nip And tuck affair most of the way. Canelo was obviously not prime yet and regardless of you wanting to ignore it the fact remains he made Canelo meet him at a CW that meant to maximize Floyd’s chances of wining despite already facing a not prime canelo. And we all know the Manny story moment JMM knocked Manny out of this hemisphere Floyd said ok let’s do it now. All are facts I’m not making anything up. Also what did your eyes think of the favorable treatment he was given in most of his fights being allowed to forearm anyone at any given moment and not once getting a point deduction? Smart man Floyd had that all take care of the moment he selected the refs, judges, locations and everything else. Floyd was the beneficiary of being one of if not THE most spoiled fighter I’ve ever seen in my life. Most non biased experts believe he shouldn’t be undefeated, and shouldn’t have been allowed to get away with things that he did not just In The ring but also outside of it. For example his racist rant towards Manny about eating dog was disgraceful. Anyways I’ve waisted more time than I would like to on a guy who most people cheered to lose not win and his career will not age well. That’s it for me about that. Take care. What a f**king stupid post

But what did you’re eyes think about the asterisk next to those wins? Old ancient Oscar and even at that It was a nip And tuck affair most of the way. Canelo was obviously not prime yet and regardless of you wanting to ignore it the fact remains he made Canelo meet him at a CW that meant to maximize Floyd’s chances of wining despite already facing a not prime canelo. And we all know the Manny story moment JMM knocked Manny out of this hemisphere Floyd said ok let’s do it now. All are facts I’m not making anything up. Also what did your eyes think of the favorable treatment he was given in most of his fights being allowed to forearm anyone at any given moment and not once getting a point deduction? Smart man Floyd had that all take care of the moment he selected the refs, judges, locations and everything else. Floyd was the beneficiary of being one of if not THE most spoiled fighter I’ve ever seen in my life. Most non biased experts believe he shouldn’t be undefeated, and shouldn’t have been allowed to get away with things that he did not just In The ring but also outside of it. For example his racist rant towards Manny about eating dog was disgraceful. Anyways I’ve waisted more time than I would like to on a guy who most people cheered to lose not win and his career will not age well. That’s it for me about that. Take care. Old ancient Oscar just Koed a MW and was 21 pounds heavier than the Oscar that Manny beat,,,,, what does that say to you ? Go and look at Oscar with Steve Forbes right before Manny then look at Oscar Ko Mayorga right before Floyd, the 166 Oscar would run Manny over, Floyd gave Oscar 16 pounds on the night , Manny was 2lbs heavier than Oscar fight night, lol work it out kid. Canelo was a WC with 43 wins, how green do you think he was when he beat everyone before Floyd and everyone since, the only thing Canelo could beat Floyd on is weight, all things the same and Floyd is a MW the 36 yr old Floyd would give him the same schooling today, Khan won every round until he was stopped, Floyd would win every round in a wash, just a way superior boxer and way smaller, equal the size and Canelo has no chance. Floyd toyed with JMM and also beat Manny in cruise control, Nacho said Floyd is from another planet and cannot be beaten, JMM never ever once asked for a rematch he knows whats up he was embarrassed. All common opponents of Manny and Floyd stated Floyd is the best they fought. The more you talk the more fan you become, its has all been hashed out a million times you sound like a johnny come lately.

oscar was 33 when floyd schooled him people also forget that floyd only had 3 fights at 147 prior and arguably wasn't a full grown welter. yet he jumped up to his 5th weight class and in his first fight fought Oscar. amazing.

But what did you’re eyes think about the asterisk next to those wins? Old ancient Oscar and even at that It was a nip And tuck affair most of the way. Canelo was obviously not prime yet and regardless of you wanting to ignore it the fact remains he made Canelo meet him at a CW that meant to maximize Floyd’s chances of wining despite already facing a not prime canelo. And we all know the Manny story moment JMM knocked Manny out of this hemisphere Floyd said ok let’s do it now. All are facts I’m not making anything up. Also what did your eyes think of the favorable treatment he was given in most of his fights being allowed to forearm anyone at any given moment and not once getting a point deduction? Smart man Floyd had that all take care of the moment he selected the refs, judges, locations and everything else. Floyd was the beneficiary of being one of if not THE most spoiled fighter I’ve ever seen in my life. Most non biased experts believe he shouldn’t be undefeated, and shouldn’t have been allowed to get away with things that he did not just In The ring but also outside of it. For example his racist rant towards Manny about eating dog was disgraceful. Anyways I’ve waisted more time than I would like to on a guy who most people cheered to lose not win and his career will not age well. That’s it for me about that. Take care. oscar was 33 when floyd schooled him

canelo got better defensively and he uses alot but not all of mayweathers style also career wise, that fight helped his notoriety, even in a loss, as it is like top 3 or 4 all time PPV sales, so a lot of viewers learned who canelo was from that fight

I think he was ridiculously overrated. There are asterisk to a lot of his big wins. Oscar, Canelo, Pac, etc. Picking weights, officials, ring size(he would have never budged like Canelo did with BJS) Floyd would have just paid him off like he did Maidana with the gloves and that’s no BS brother. there is no asterisks over his wins over Pac and ESPECIALLY oscar wtf. Oscar literally had every advantage he could get and still lost

I think he was ridiculously overrated. There are asterisk to a lot of his big wins. Oscar, Canelo, Pac, etc. and that’s no BS brother. I got eyes he does things that many fans don't even see, I doubt there is fighter in history his size that could beat him, once you start all the climbing divisions etc things get clouded, so many fighters have asterics that are created by fans some are legit many are not, it all depends how much you know about championship level boxing, I place more value on what I see in the ring than what I read others think they see. Its like Canelos CW, it was not the reason he lost, the same Floyd that beat Canelo then would beat the Canelo that Khan fought, one punch is not landing on Floyd like that and he will take it and survive because he is a genuine ATG. The haters don't influence me I know what I see, they are all just athletes to me no different than a Greyhound or Racehorse I look at the performance I don't get into the personality side at all.

why do you like Floyd so much? He’s a fudge packer. He is one of the best boxers Ive seen in over 50 yrs of following the sport, I don't care about the man or what they do or say outside of the ring, his in the ring boxing is brilliant boxing. I defend him on the boxing side only because the guys trying to pull him down are just haters that have no substance in their comments when you dig into them, I don't mind criticism but when its just BS I will call it.

Except that for his previous fight with Trout he was substantially more than 165, 172 even. And he gassed with Trout Lara and the rest of his fights he always had stamina issues late in the fight, with Mayweather he never did. Im still waiting for you to tell what was clearly visible that shows he was drained, its not there, go look at CWs like Dawson, Lalonde, Cotto, Oscar and it stands out like dog balls they were drained. Not all CWs are equal, some will kill them others it has no effect, its easy to see when its a major factor in their ring performance.

Canelo never said he was weight drained at all, he weighed 152, he had weighed 153 in his previous fight. He made 152 no problem and hydrated up to 165 as you say. Weight played zero factor in that fight. I think Canelo learned a lot from Mayweather and not just in the ring, he's been smart about his career too. And now he's at his peak and will be so for several more years, so he's looking for challenges and legacy builders. Except that for his previous fight with Trout he was substantially more than 165, 172 even.

What units of measure are we using for "snappy" or for stamina? You watch a video and you are looking for what to support your contention that weight wasn't a factor?? I tell you quite factually that the Canelo facing Mayweather was about 7 pounds lighter than the Canelo who faced opponents Trout, Lopez and Mosley, even more for the 155lb version that came immediately afterward. You think that means nothing? Mayweather fans are by nature a myopic breed. Whats units of measure are you seeing in the fight, that's my question you said it was clearly visible, well point it out its not hard, unless you're talking BS and nothing is clearly visible.

You are just going around the nothing circle, point out where it showed so clearly we have the full fight on video we have every other fight on video leading up to that fight, the fact is he was sharper and lighter on his feet with more stamina than any previous fight that's how much it affected him, the thing that you don't understand is how a CW effects a guy and how much the style of the fight plays on it, that fight was pure boxing nothing physical at all that's why it hardly had any effect on him, he didn't need to be powerful he needed to to be fast because it was Mayweather not a big punching physical guy. And again you cannot show anything to support that he was CLEARLY effected, your words lol, you don't know what you're talking about “He’s very elusive, he’s a great fighter and that’s why I couldn’t catch him,” Canelo said after the fight. “I didn’t know how to get him. It’s as simple as that. He’s very elusive. He’s a great fighter. “The frustration was getting in there. But simply he’s a great fighter. I didn’t want to lose. I didn’t want to leave here with a loss. But it happens and it hurts.” Mayweather's clinic came against a much bigger man. Although Alvarez made the 152-pound catchweight limit Friday and Mayweather was 150½, Alvarez rehydrated to 165 on fight night while Mayweather lost a half-pound from the weigh-in. But that added bulk made no difference, as Mayweather was his typically elusive self. His defense, as always, was tight, and his punches were fast. "When I woke up morning, I was 146 pounds, so I had to call my chef and get something in my system," Mayweather said. Canelo never said he was weight drained at all, he weighed 152, he had weighed 153 in his previous fight. He made 152 no problem and hydrated up to 165 as you say. Weight played zero factor in that fight. I think Canelo learned a lot from Mayweather and not just in the ring, he's been smart about his career too. And now he's at his peak and will be so for several more years, so he's looking for challenges and legacy builders.

Great interview he made no excuses zero delusion. Accepts total responsibility for how the fight played out used the experience to become the best today And then finally, so we could make the fight, I said, 'If anything, I'll give up two pounds. I'll go up to 152. I agreed to that. Then they tried to force me to be quiet and not to mention anything that they came up with the weight of 152. And that's why ... I haven't said anything until now. "They said we were idiots, we were stupid, that we were the ones that wanted the catchweight." https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/boxing/2013/09/11/canelo-alvarez-floyd-mayweather-super-welterweight-152-pounds-catchweight/2802237/

You are just going around the nothing circle, point out where it showed so clearly we have the full fight on video we have every other fight on video leading up to that fight, the fact is he was sharper and lighter on his feet with more stamina than any previous fight that's how much it affected him, the thing that you don't understand is how a CW effects a guy and how much the style of the fight plays on it, that fight was pure boxing nothing physical at all that's why it hardly had any effect on him, he didn't need to be powerful he needed to to be fast because it was Mayweather not a big punching physical guy. And again you cannot show anything to support that he was CLEARLY effected, your words lol, you don't know what you're talking about “He’s very elusive, he’s a great fighter and that’s why I couldn’t catch him,” Canelo said after the fight. “I didn’t know how to get him. It’s as simple as that. He’s very elusive. He’s a great fighter. “The frustration was getting in there. But simply he’s a great fighter. I didn’t want to lose. I didn’t want to leave here with a loss. But it happens and it hurts.” Mayweather's clinic came against a much bigger man. Although Alvarez made the 152-pound catchweight limit Friday and Mayweather was 150½, Alvarez rehydrated to 165 on fight night while Mayweather lost a half-pound from the weigh-in. But that added bulk made no difference, as Mayweather was his typically elusive self. His defense, as always, was tight, and his punches were fast. "When I woke up morning, I was 146 pounds, so I had to call my chef and get something in my system," Mayweather said. What units of measure are we using for "snappy" or for stamina? You watch a video and you are looking for what to support your contention that weight wasn't a factor?? I tell you quite factually that the Canelo facing Mayweather was about 7 pounds lighter than the Canelo who faced opponents Trout, Lopez and Mosley, even more for the 155lb version that came immediately afterward. You think that means nothing? Mayweather fans are by nature a myopic breed.

"his punches were snappy", "His stamina was more than his previous fights" Saying it doesn't make it so. He was weak and saying he wasn't compromised tells me you can't accept that Mayweather demanded a catchweight for a reason. Why do you think they refused the fight without a catchweight? Canelo was a full weight class (~ 7 lbs) under his normal weight in the ring. You are just going around the nothing circle, point out where it showed so clearly we have the full fight on video we have every other fight on video leading up to that fight, the fact is he was sharper and lighter on his feet with more stamina than any previous fight that's how much it affected him, the thing that you don't understand is how a CW effects a guy and how much the style of the fight plays on it, that fight was pure boxing nothing physical at all that's why it hardly had any effect on him, he didn't need to be powerful he needed to to be fast because it was Mayweather not a big punching physical guy. And again you cannot show anything to support that he was CLEARLY effected, your words lol, you don't know what you're talking about “He’s very elusive, he’s a great fighter and that’s why I couldn’t catch him,” Canelo said after the fight. “I didn’t know how to get him. It’s as simple as that. He’s very elusive. He’s a great fighter. “The frustration was getting in there. But simply he’s a great fighter. I didn’t want to lose. I didn’t want to leave here with a loss. But it happens and it hurts.” Mayweather's clinic came against a much bigger man. Although Alvarez made the 152-pound catchweight limit Friday and Mayweather was 150½, Alvarez rehydrated to 165 on fight night while Mayweather lost a half-pound from the weigh-in. But that added bulk made no difference, as Mayweather was his typically elusive self. His defense, as always, was tight, and his punches were fast. "When I woke up morning, I was 146 pounds, so I had to call my chef and get something in my system," Mayweather said.

You said it was clearly seen I asked to point out where, it appears that you cant. His stamina was more than his previous fights, his punches were snappy, would you like to compare how he was in the ring on the night compared to other CW guys like Lalonde, Cotto, Oscar,,,,,,,, not all CWs are the same and fans like to throw a blanket over them all when it suits their agenda, the point is IF its so clearly effected him point out where and you cant, that's how clear it is aye. "his punches were snappy", "His stamina was more than his previous fights" Saying it doesn't make it so. He was weak and saying he wasn't compromised tells me you can't accept that Mayweather demanded a catchweight for a reason. Why do you think they refused the fight without a catchweight? Canelo was a full weight class (~ 7 lbs) under his normal weight in the ring.

What took you so long?? You're slippin As I said, he had been draining himself for quite some time. All elements of his game were compromised. If you think the 2 pounds meant nothing, both camps disagree. You said it was clearly seen I asked to point out where, it appears that you cant. His stamina was more than his previous fights, his punches were snappy, would you like to compare how he was in the ring on the night compared to other CW guys like Lalonde, Cotto, Oscar,,,,,,,, not all CWs are the same and fans like to throw a blanket over them all when it suits their agenda, the point is IF its so clearly effected him point out where and you cant, that's how clear it is aye.

If it was so clearly point out elements of the fight that showed he was drained compared to every fight he had up until that point,,, was he slower, did he tire quicker, did his punches have snap, tell me where he showed he was drained ? What took you so long?? You're slippin As I said, he had been draining himself for quite some time. All elements of his game were compromised. If you think the 2 pounds meant nothing, both camps disagree.

Canelo didn't realize how weight drained he already was at 154. After fighting at 152 that fact was crystal clear. He also realized that as the a-side he could do the same to others. So, yes, Floyd had a lot of influence. If it was so clearly point out elements of the fight that showed he was drained compared to every fight he had up until that point,,, was he slower, did he tire quicker, did his punches have snap, tell me where he showed he was drained ?

You could say yes, as Floyd was the first real good fighter he faced. But nel o learns from everyone he fa ces, shame before floyd he never fought anyone that good, unless you consider 40 year old ssm and trout that good. When nel o was beating bums, nel o !might have believed he was finished article. But facing Floyd green and drained he knew he still had a way to go