Fury's win over Wlad was by better than Joshua's

The fact that this is being argued is, again, why I think Joshua is done for. His fans, and his team, are completely and utterly deluded. And not in that kooky, southern fruitcake Wilder way, but in that deluded British way where they politely try to tell you that the sky is green :lol1: To even try and sit there and convince people that a beaten 41 year old fighter is somehow better is utterly insane. Even more so after 16 months. They’re literally brainwashed by Sky/Matchroom propaganda. I’m not sure whether you seen the UK broadcast of AJ-Klitschko but you had Matchroom stooges like Tony Bellew saying “that’s the best version Klitschko I’ve ever seen”. That’s verbatim as well. :lol1: Most of AJ’s fans are new to the sport so they’re gullible and easily influenced, if they actually continue to follow the sport and begin to understand the politics surrounding it, they’ll look back one day and think why the f*** did I believe that nonsense. I remember when I first started following boxing and the British media would say Eubank and Benn were being avoided by Jones, Toney, Nunn etc and naturally as an inexperienced fan I believed that sh**, now I look back and think, damn how could I be so gullible. :lol1:

They beat the same guy, the more telling bit is that Fury ran a mile and turned into a coke head rather than rematch a guy he apparently schooled and according to his own fans was well past his best. AJ was ready to rematch a guy he apparently got lucky against.

Yeah it’s literally non debatable. Fury beat the lineal unified Heavyweight Champion, undefeated in 10 years, 18 defences, 8 year reign, in Germany. Joshua beat an 18 month inactive, non-ranked, former champion, in England. Don’t get me wrong, Wlad was past his best in both fights but Fury’s win is clearly more impressive. The fact that this is being argued is, again, why I think Joshua is done for. His fans, and his team, are completely and utterly deluded. And not in that kooky, southern fruitcake Wilder way, but in that deluded British way where they politely try to tell you that the sky is green :lol1: To even try and sit there and convince people that a beaten 41 year old fighter is somehow better is utterly insane. Even more so after 16 months.

I agree with OP. This isn't even debateable.

Wladimir Kiltschko a man of science, has stated that he was in better condition for Anthony Joshua than he was for Tyson Fury 'There is video footage of Wladimir Kiltschko stating this, if I can find it? I will put it in my post'. Anthony Joshua beat a better version of Wladimir Kiltschko, who was coming off 3 back to back training camps 'Weighing in at 240 pounds vs 245 pounds for the Fury fight'. Joshua also fought Kiltschko in a more engaging and destructive manner 'But this is in part because Joshua, does not have the dimensions to his game that Fury has etc'. Tyson Fury merely bamboozled Kiltschko, he did not beat him up or deter him at any point in the fight. Joshua violently fought Kiltschko, and sparked him out 'In what was the Greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years'. Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua was the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years. Wladimir Kiltschko was for the first time in a very long time, a underdog again 'Finally he was facing somebody, who everybody thought could beat him' There was venom within Wladimir Kiltschko. I always remember the excitement and passion Kiltschko had in preparation for the Joshua fight 'Something that he did not have against Fury, how could he? When up until that point, Tyson Fury for the most part was deemed a clown 'Not by me, but that was the universal consensus with a lot of boxing fans at the time'. Overall in my opinion, Anthony Joshua beat a better version of Wladimir Kiltschko 'In the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years, one of the greatest of all-times'. Awesome fight, inspiring build up. Wladimir Kiltschko compares himself to Mount Everest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy8BZddi14w Wladimir Kiltschko talking about his condition for the Joshua fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOrHIwLcsHk A 41 year old, beaten, 18 month inactive fighter will NEVER be superior to his younger, unbeaten counterpart. The suggest so is to make it clear you know absolutely nothing about boxing. It defies every bit of sporting logic there is.

Isn't that the excuse Fury and his fans use for his break from the sport, when in fact he was out because he was a drug cheat? What the fuck does Fury have to do with what I said. Are you somehow implying that I don't think Fury was stripped of his titles due to his own drug use???

Fury beat the better version and there should not be a debate. When you're 41, you're 41 there is no rejuvenating, no miracles its only downhill at a rapid rate and a far more rapid rate than any of us would like to admit. What is Wlad supposed to say? He's trying too sell a fight at the end of the day. Hardly going to say he was in an even worse place than 18months prior when he got embarrassed in his adopted hometown is he?

He was absolute prime vs Fury, and near as good as he ever was vs AJ. What had he lost? Speed? nah? Power? nah? Stamina, chin, defence? Nah. Nash out. Confidence? Timing? Both those attributes were way off against AJ. You think a prime Wlad lets AJ off the hook. He even looked poor vs Jennings before the Fury fight. Wlad was definitely on the slide.

I can't see how this can be debated. Fury beat Wlad when he was in his 30s, hadn't lost for 11 years and was the unified champion. Joshua beat Wlad when he was in his 40s, was coming off a loss, 18 months inactivity, and had no belts. Sure, Joshua vs Wlad was an entertaining 50-50 fire-fight, but for a fan of boxing skill, Fury's display was a joy to behold. He took Wlad to so much college that night that Klitschko left the ring with another degree. Nash out. Yeah it’s literally non debatable. Fury beat the lineal unified Heavyweight Champion, undefeated in 10 years, 18 defences, 8 year reign, in Germany. Joshua beat an 18 month inactive, non-ranked, former champion, in England. Don’t get me wrong, Wlad was past his best in both fights but Fury’s win is clearly more impressive.

I agree overall, but this.... There was 17 months between Fury/Wlad and AJ/Wlad. He was old and washed up in both fights. He was absolute prime vs Fury, and near as good as he ever was vs AJ. What had he lost? Speed? nah? Power? nah? Stamina, chin, defence? Nah. Nash out.

I agree overall, but this.... Fury beat Wlad when he was in his 30s, Joshua beat Wlad when he was in his 40s There was 17 months between Fury/Wlad and AJ/Wlad. He was old and washed up in both fights.

Some people just don't understand boxing, but two things are certain. We must respect Kronk Fury, and we must respect Nash out, he is a true warrior. Nash out.

Wladimir Kiltschko a man of science, has stated that he was in better condition for Anthony Joshua than he was for Tyson Fury 'There is video footage of Wladimir Kiltschko stating this, if I can find it? I will put it in my post'. Anthony Joshua beat a better version of Wladimir Kiltschko, who was coming off 3 back to back training camps 'Weighing in at 240 pounds vs 245 pounds for the Fury fight'. Joshua also fought Kiltschko in a more engaging and destructive manner 'But this is in part because Joshua, does not have the dimensions to his game that Fury has etc'. Tyson Fury merely bamboozled Kiltschko, he did not beat him up or deter him at any point in the fight. Joshua violently fought Kiltschko, and sparked him out 'In what was the Greatest Heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years'. Wladimir Kiltschko vs Anthony Joshua was the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years. Wladimir Kiltschko was for the first time in a very long time, a underdog again 'Finally he was facing somebody, who everybody thought could beat him' There was venom within Wladimir Kiltschko. I always remember the excitement and passion Kiltschko had in preparation for the Joshua fight 'Something that he did not have against Fury, how could he? When up until that point, Tyson Fury for the most part was deemed a clown 'Not by me, but that was the universal consensus with a lot of boxing fans at the time'. Overall in my opinion, Anthony Joshua beat a better version of Wladimir Kiltschko 'In the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 20 years, one of the greatest of all-times'. Awesome fight, inspiring build up. Wladimir Kiltschko compares himself to Mount Everest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy8BZddi14w Wladimir Kiltschko talking about his condition for the Joshua fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOrHIwLcsHk

In terms of entertainment...definitely not. But yes, it's a better win timing wise. That doesn't take away the fact it's one of the worst HW title fights ever though. And it's not a masterclass. Floyd v Canelo is a masterclass. Fury landed 80 punches. I don't want to hear all this crap about being a casual etc It was a god damn stare off . A battle of feints. Two scared looking fighters And yes, Joshua being knocked down by Wlad should have been a massive warning sign for his team.

We know now with the luxury of hindsight Klitschko was utterly shot. Fury's win was worlds better as he took the titles off the man and that's what matters. Before the Fury fight, Brant Jennings did well against Klitschko in his loss, and people were talking about him as the future of the division after Klitschko retires. Since then he has never defeated even a B-level heavyweight. Joshua KO'ing Wlad made him a huge star in the UK and that's fine, but when the history is written he KO'd a 40 year old man fighting for a vacant title. Doesn't mean a lot.

Noone debates that. It was just extremely boring even by Klit fight standards.

I don't buy into the 'more impressive' bit. It's about winning and who you won against. I don't believe Joshua beat a much worse Wlad. Klitschko was a year older, true, but had been training for a rematch - there isn't much more motivation you can have than that. Fury beat him when he was unbeaten for years. That's worth something. Don't care about the style of victory. Different fighters have different styles. And styles make fights. But Fury's wasn't the dominating display he's since convinced people it was. A couple of punches in a few rounds and you have a different result. And had Klitschko survived Joshua's Rd11 onslaught then Joshua would have won by a greater margin than Fury did on the cards. Yes he got decked, but he also dropped Klitschko three times. Fury won 9-3,8-4,8-4 on the AWAY cards. In the eyes of most, Joshua's bestie Bellew included, Joshua was 2,3,4 points down going into R11, but he had hometown scoring in his favour, Wlad actually had to win R11, and R12 for a draw, which was insane. You are correct about the styles though. Nash out.

I don't buy into the 'more impressive' bit. It's about winning and who you won against. I don't believe Joshua beat a much worse Wlad. Klitschko was a year older, true, but had been training for a rematch - there isn't much more motivation you can have than that. Fury beat him when he was unbeaten for years. That's worth something. Don't care about the style of victory. Different fighters have different styles. And styles make fights. But Fury's wasn't the dominating display he's since convinced people it was. A couple of punches in a few rounds and you have a different result. And had Klitschko survived Joshua's Rd11 onslaught then Joshua would have won by a greater margin than Fury did on the cards. Yes he got decked, but he also dropped Klitschko three times.

A million tests? Did that fight even have VADA? We don't know for sure how many fights he cheated in, we know he's a cheat though. Yes, pretty much. I remember Tyson, Peter, and the rest of the team talking about how often they were tested for that fight, but haters will believe whatever they want. Nash out.

How do you know it was only for Hammer? It's common knowledge. Also, he had a million tests for the Wlad fight, and passed every one, yet some idiots still think that it was the Wlad fight he failed for, as they know if they say what it was really for, the Hammer fight, that they will just get laughed at as Fury could beat Hammer after 20 pints with one hand tied behind his back. Nash out.