Manny “Journey Man” Pacquiao

pasawayako, spoon23 and blowblow You grown balls yet? …. you still whining man? :rofl:

I would like to think pac would rather retire than be a journey man. His time is up. Better quit while he is healthy.

Man how can you be a Pac fan and want to see him fight another good fighter. I like pac and even though i'll make fun of his crazy stans for losing to Ugas, it was sad seeing him be a shell of his former self. i don't want to see him getting brutalized by Spence or Bud, fighters i know pac would've beaten 10 years ago. I was wondering why he was so slow to move around. I was waiting for him to start boxing around Ugas and throwing punches from different angles but he never did. I wonder how much validity his legs "tightening" on him have. Like is it true? or just an excuse? I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt in his loss but I have yet to see Pacquiao not make an excuse for his clear decision losses. I will give him Horn, he beat the crap out of Horn and was robbed. He probably should be 3-0 vs Bradley. I did have Pacquiao losing the JMM trilogy pretty widely though. But Morales, Mayweather, Ugas. Three fights he clearly lost imo, he had an excuse for all 3. He never just admitted defeat. Socks and blood testing for Morales. Telling NSAC about a shoulder injury last minute, which NSAC was notified on the night of the fight at 6:30pm, vs Mayweather, and supposedly was aggravated in round 2. And now legs tightening vs Ugas. Even his early KO losses come with attached excuses of being green and malnurtured. Which to be fair, makes sense. Clearly, as Pacquiao did vastly improved over the years after those KO's and moving up in weight class. It just appears that, for one reason or the other, all 8 of Pacquiao's losses come with an excuse. And yes, I do think out of those 8, two should have been given to him. I also felt that he narrowly was defeated by Ugas, 7 rounds to 5. But it was a clear defeat. What I mean by that is, that Ugas definitely won at least 7 clearly. And one can definitely find 8 for Ugas. But it would be difficult to find 6 or more rounds for Pacquiao. I feel like only 5 rounds could be given to Pacquiao and make a sensible argument for those 5 rounds. If 6+ rounds were given to Pacquiao, that would have been a robbery imo. As a biased viewer, who was rooting for Pacquiao to win, I gave Pacquiao the most rounds I can possibly give him while making sense as to why I gave it to him.

Terence Crawford gives no fcks. He fought a washed up Kell Brook and Amir Khan, who were no longer ranked in the top 10 of any weight class when he fought them. You really think he would turn down a fight vs an old Pacquiao who is ranked #5 at 147 by The Ring? He has fought much worse. Let's not act like Crawford has a history of fighting killers and looking for the best fights. He did that once in his career, when he gave the fans the fight they were asking for in Viktor Postol. Otherwise he usually looks for the worst possible fight he can make. The guy is ranked #2 at 147 and #3 P4P. Look at the other 9 welterweights. Name one of those welterweights he has fought. Remember when Mayweather and Pacquiao were interchangeably #1 at 147 and actually had wins over some of the other top 10 WW's? Ah, the good old days. That is no longer a thing for the media. Catapult fighters to the top spot without them even having 1 win over the top fighters of the weight class they are at the top of. Terence Crawford is at the top of 147 on the strength of his wins over Jeff Horn and Kavaliouskas. Kavaliouskas was briefly there in the bottom 7-10 by default from other fighters falling off or retiring. Horn was only briefly there due to his robbery win over Pacquiao. But hey, Crawford can say he beat the man who beat the man even though, in reality, Horn was holding on for dear life for the bottom 7-10 spots of 147 even with his "win" over Pacquiao.

I'd like to see pac vs Crawford or spence still Sometimes old guys look shot 1 fight and look good the next I'd like to see him look bad 2 straight before forcing him to retire Like ali, Ali didn't retire after Holmes, but he did after Berbick beat him too Maybe it's ugas style Maybe it's the 2 yr layoff Magbe it's the last minute opponent change Who knows? Throw him in there with another good fighter and let's see Man how can you be a Pac fan and want to see him fight another good fighter. I like pac and even though i'll make fun of his crazy stans for losing to Ugas, it was sad seeing him be a shell of his former self. i don't want to see him getting brutalized by Spence or Bud, fighters i know pac would've beaten 10 years ago.

LOL at Manny fans now painting Ugas as some killer. Ugas is still a C level fighter. He had a good night against porter and still lost. Ugas is not a top WW, it’s just that Pac is not even an average fighter anymore. He’s old, he stuck around too long. Ugas is still a Josh Clottey clone, maybe even below that, Manny has just fallen that much. No shame in getting old. He lost to a C fighter, Ugas is 35 and is almost done too. I wouldn't call ugas or clottey c class fighters styles makes fights Put it this way I put money on pac vs Spence I didn't put money on pac vs ugas Didnt like the match-up at all

Spence and Crawford would want nothing todo with PAC now no credit in that fight Looks like manny can be a Journey man now for the young ones. Journey man it’s sad. Pacquiao vs Tank .. Make it happen. I'd like to see pac vs Crawford or spence still Sometimes old guys look shot 1 fight and look good the next I'd like to see him look bad 2 straight before forcing him to retire Like ali, Ali didn't retire after Holmes, but he did after Berbick beat him too Maybe it's ugas style Maybe it's the 2 yr layoff Magbe it's the last minute opponent change Who knows? Throw him in there with another good fighter and let's see

Spence and Crawford would want nothing todo with PAC now no credit in that fight Looks like manny can be a Journey man now for the young ones. Journey man it’s sad. Pacquiao vs Tank .. Make it happen. No, he'll retire before he does that. If he can no longer compete on an elite level then he won't make any money. He'll become a pure mercenary fighter like Roberto Duran was before he retired. He has a lot more honor and dignity than that.

You think it's less impressive they would fight 10 times a year? You really are a backward product of incest Definitely adopted You dope Look at those 10+ guys...a bunch of 3-10s

LOL at Manny fans now painting Ugas as some killer. Ugas is still a C level fighter. He had a good night against porter and still lost. Ugas is not a top WW, it’s just that Pac is not even an average fighter anymore. He’s old, he stuck around too long. Ugas is still a Josh Clottey clone, maybe even below that, Manny has just fallen that much. No shame in getting old. He lost to a C fighter, Ugas is 35 and is almost done too.

you think it's less impressive they would fight 10 times a year? You really are a backward product of incest definitely adopted My bad i didnt know you were in a back and forth with a poster. Next time i will mind my business.......apologies

Jesus Christ it’s like I’m talking to a goddamn autistic child who can only say 3 things. That’s always your go-to response: “NAME ME THOSE 8 NAMES HURRRR DURRR” You want me to name names just so you can spout the same BS response to try and tear it down and feel like you’re making a point. I don’t need to play your game. Yes Sasukul, Ledwaba, Hatton, Barrera, Morales, JMM, Cotto, Bradley, Thurman, etc were good fighters. FAKE FAN :boxing: At least 6 of those names are solid. no complaints from here

You think it's less impressive they would fight 10 times a year? You really are a backward product of incest Definitely adopted Jesus that is pure emotion right there. Go and check your blood pressure if a poster riles you up that much you are either teething or you are on your period

I’m not sorry imagine the treads about Floyd if Manny had won today. Oh Floyd still gets an honourable mention .These Pact*ards have been through much more adversity than this. After Manuel sent Pac flying to the canvas face first i thought that was the end of them. Then the school teacher Jeff horn inflicting yet another humbling .This is nothing these rodents are here to stay. i actually like PACQUIAO. 8 Division world champion and 8 losses to match all his divisions

You think it's less impressive they would fight 10 times a year? You really are a backward product of incest Definitely adopted Its easy to fight 10 soft touches a year, you cant fight elite guys at that rate not close, 3 elite opponents per year is about it and that depends on how tough the goes were. Its about quality, not quantity, look how they build Chavez up the first 50 fights were cab drivers, Joe Louis had the bum a mth going on for a couple of years, you cant do it against top guys.

Okay funs over, Manny is a generational talent that many fighters today cannot replicate. He has a style unique to his physical abilities which is exciting to watch. He is technically there for his particular style as well. Time beats speed as we know and it take some of the best boxers of our era to be able to time Manny. Manny style is hard to maintain as it requires physical ability to perform it and we know what ageing does fighter physically. That being said he should retire after one fight of his choice in Manila. it shouldn’t have to be a difficult fight, He has nothing to prove he should be aloud to cherry pick a berto and bid farewell to his fans. /Thread Closed pls

That was the only era where a guy could fight 12x a year. And of course of those 12 fights, 10 were vs quality guys :lol1: !!!!! Pure padding. So called legends fighting a ton of guys with either less than 10 wins or losing records all together. And let's not mention the Mobs influence on who wins and loses. Now if you feel the urge, YOU can fo fck yourself. You think it's less impressive they would fight 10 times a year? You really are a backward product of incest Definitely adopted

What a ****ing moron ..you need to get yourself a catscan booked see the difference back then is you couldn't pad your record..Once you're the champ you have to fight the number 1 contender unlike today That was the only era where a guy could fight 12x a year. And of course of those 12 fights, 10 were vs quality guys :lol1: !!!!! Pure padding. So called legends fighting a ton of guys with either less than 10 wins or losing records all together. And let's not mention the Mobs influence on who wins and loses. Now if you feel the urge, YOU can fo fck yourself.

I'm calling that ENTIRE ERA back then to be slop filled stat padders. If you watched ANY fight in THAT ERA, you'd know what I'm saying is true. See you in another 10 years What a fucking moron ..you need to get yourself a catscan booked see the difference back then is you couldn't pad your record..Once you're the champ you have to fight the number 1 contender unlike today

I said I was done feeding the troll but I just couldn’t help but laugh at this nonsense. Just the fact that you’re mocking Marciano, who is without a doubt an ATG, really does say a lot about you as a casual. :rofl: You literally just called some of the most skilled, elegant fighters on footage like Sugar Ray Robinson, Ezzard Charles, Willie Pep, Harold Johnson, Kid Gavilan as SLOPPY. You can’t make this sh-t up :nono::smashfrea That’s it for me. Thanks again for the laugh. I'm calling that ENTIRE ERA back then to be slop filled stat padders. If you watched ANY fight in THAT ERA, you'd know what I'm saying is true. See you in another 10 years