It seems like everyone is doing exactly as predicted & jumping to Plants/Pbcs defense as usual while ignoring the absolute obvious.(just as y'all did with Plants prior weak ass excuses for ducking)
If everything is supposedly being held up by big bad Canelo expecting to get paid regardless of Plant pulling out of the fight,then why doesn't Plant take the same amount of money to fight on Dazn & let Dazn worry about contingency if Plant ducks out at last minute?
Oh, what's that you say? So pbc duckers are never expected to fight on a different network & are given a free pass while the literal cashcow who fights on Dazn is expected to cross the street & agree to a deal that locks him down anyways even if Plant does az he does best & ducks at last minute.
Why isn't anyone asking the obvious?
Since when does a cashcow mega draw have to take it or leave it at the whims of a paper champ?
He is the USA’s ONLY draw. Lol. And he is from Mexico. USA literally has nobody.
You got Americans like Crawford fighting Khan and Brook who aren’t top 10 welters, selling 50k PPV’s.
A Mexican, not even a Mexican-American, just a Mexican, is carrying American boxing on his shoulders and he is not a draw?
Lol, he is the biggest draw in the USA.
Everything you said is true but he has lost a lot of his commercial shine fighting on DAZN. Not enough people in the US get to watch him fight.
Canelo ain’t drawing **** in the USA anymore.
He is the USA’s ONLY draw. Lol. And he is from Mexico. USA literally has nobody.
You got Americans like Crawford fighting Khan and Brook who aren’t top 10 welters, selling 50k PPV’s.
A Mexican, not even a Mexican-American, just a Mexican, is carrying American boxing on his shoulders and he is not a draw?
Lol, he is the biggest draw in the USA.
So canelo fan boys are saying Plant should go to dazn when canelo is supposedly not even with a network. plant is with a network so its common sense that the free agent should be going to where the money is.
Common sense says Canelo makes more money fighting on a PPV platform especially with a 40 million guarantee and lions share of sales. I'm gonna take a guess the fight still happens. The hold up is probably more like a hold out to squeeze the last little bit out of each other.
always these late hold ups with canelo fights.
always shrinking that window for drug testing,
gets smaller and smaller every time
now im reading delusional posters saying its because plant is a trump supporter and didnt get vaccinated?LOL
Canelo came up with additional demands (rematch and "Injury/illness etc clause") after it became apparent the fight can only happen on FOX, with PBC being in charge of organizing the event.
If the fight was on DAZN, with matchroom in charge, there would be no rematch demand or "illness clause".
btw, DAZN offered 40M to Canelo and 10M to Plant.
PBC countered, after seeing DAZN offer, with 40M+/10M+.
I have no issue with canelo asking for the clause. I also don’t think Plant can seriously think he should get $10 mil for a ppv fight if canelo isn’t the opponent.
It’s like posters think fighters aren’t going to use LW rage if they have it.
Canelo ain’t drawing **** in the USA anymore.
Okay but was Plant ever a draw in the U.S at all? Alvarez put 70,000 in a stadium in Texas, who has Plant put into seats in either Nashville or Vegas?
Plant’s manager, Al Haymon, owns a company that competes with DAZN. As such he wants to do the fight on the ppv platform because it benefits his company.
while your post makes sense in theory, this deal seems to have broken down because of what happens if one or another tests positive for COVID-19. From what we’ve read, Canelo was given significant concessions, per his request, that any cash cow would be able to negotiate.
It isn’t, as you framed it, the cash cow being put in a take it or leave it situation.
IMO; Plant is being unreasonable if he and his team think Plant can have a ppv fight on that date, for the same amount of money, if the fight gets postponed.
The reality is Ggg, charlo, Benavidez, Bivol or bieterbiev are all seen as more worthy and a better opponent by the majority of fans. If Plant gets hurt, I would watch canelo against any of them. As I think many would.
Canelo came up with additional demands (rematch and "Injury/illness etc clause") after it became apparent the fight can only happen on FOX, with PBC being in charge of organizing the event.
If the fight was on DAZN, with matchroom in charge, there would be no rematch demand or "illness clause".
btw, DAZN offered 40M to Canelo and 10M to Plant.
PBC countered, after seeing DAZN offer, with 40M+/10M+.
Canelo is getting a better deal from Fox than DAZN.
Yeah more money doesnt equal protection for Canelo
I think Canelo wants protection from anything that could happen
More money doesnt mean anything if youre locked into a contract as an A side
He'd trust DAZN and probably wouldn't ask for that many addendums
He’s still getting paid but he’s not a mainstream star in the USA anymore. He still has value overseas but DAZN couldn’t get out of that long term contract fast enough.
From what I recall, Canelo never had a deal with DAZN. Canelo had a deal with GB and GB had a separate deal with DAZN to provide them Canelo fights. It sounds like splitting hairs but it isn't.
I don’t think anyone says he can’t or shouldn’t, I think for one Haymon wouldn’t allow him to (Just been honest here), two he has the last belt and they have tried to use that as leverage to dictate to Canelo (Seeing how he is keen on fighting for the last belt), moreover PBC/Fox seems to have come up with a better financial package for the boxers.
So unless I heard that DAZN match those offers but Haymon refuses to let Plant fight on DAZN, then I cannot really say much here.
I have no proof Plant is ducking Canelo is the same as you saying you have no proof Plant isn't ducking Canelo.
Tell your Trump touting trucker to get the covid shot or stfu
This is just stupid. We have all the media reports which detail why the talks broke down. We haven’t yet seen a response from canelo denying this.
No one is ducking anyone. They simply have reached an impasse because Plant wants protection on the back end.
No promoter helps other promoters but the PBC curtain has this weird aura of "everyone else ducks our fighters" and its usually the exact opposite.
Tank Davis ducked Lomachenko for years.
Spence has ducked Crawford for years.
Jermall Charlo rejected a contract for Canelo when he was with GBP.
Plant is now ducking Canelo. If Plant wanted the fight he could fight Canelo on a 1-fight contract with TR, Matchroom, GBP, DAZN, etc. The point is letting Haymon work his asshole like a puppet...and Plant will only fight Canelo if his Dad, Al Haymon, is satisfied. Haymon is changing the contract for Canelo v Plant to benefit himself (Haymon). He wants Canelo on a 3-fight deal and is no longer willing to do a 1-fight deal because Plant may lose the title.
The asset management by Haymon (PBC) are the EXACT REASONS why people hate on Top Rank, GBP, Matchroom, etc. We watched it happen with Lomachenko for years. We watched it happen with Crawford for years. Now we're watching Plant and PBC/Haymon prevent unification.
Again, this ONLY hurts the fighters. That is the surprising thing about PBC fighters. Plant literally made $750,000 in his last fight against Truax. He is set to make $10,000,000 against Canelo. Plant will NEVER come close to that purse again and is willing to let Haymon screw him out of - literally - MILLIONS. That is literal insanity and stupidity.
If Canelo is DEMANDING the same replacement money its probably for a reason. Where is Caleb Plant from? Southern United States. What color is he? White. Does he look like a deplorable? Yes.
Caleb Plant likely refused Covid-19 vaccination so Canelo is saying he wants his money regardless if this dipshit refused the vaccination. Canelo is entitled to that. No dumb fucking Trumpers get a pass. Hopefully you and Caleb were part of the insurrection and FBI comes for your ass soon, too
I don’t think that to be the case. Even if it was I don’t think how they frame things means we have to accept it.
Those opinions are false. They just haven’t fought. Even so that isn’t relative to this situation .
You have no proof Plant is ducking canelo or anything you posted in that paragraph after is true. Nothing we’ve seen in any report indicates what you posted . You’ve made this up to create a narrative because you don’t like pbc.
People made their decisions based on the facts. If it turns out they were mad at non pbc guys it’s because the facts dictated that. You should do same. Instead you form an opinion in advance based on your not liking pbc.
I agree that Plant won’t make this much. But he wants to protect himself on the back end, same as canelo did. Why I don’t agree with his position personally, who are we to tell him how to handle his business?
There is no proof you have that Haymon is depriving him of millions. You want Plant to take the deal but refuse to see that he may not want it. That is his choice.
I agree that canelo can and should negotiate that in the deal and that Plant can’t command same.
Probably cause Canelo is contract free, DAZN and Eddie Hearn aren't going to negotiate for him without a contract that they represent him, DAZN offer was likely not near of what PBC is showing Canelo, its PBC on FOX PPV
what Canelo ask from PBC is not reasonable seeing what happened with Fury and Teofimo either fighter could pull out from covid, but he's the real 168lb champ and the A-side he calls the shots, It's understandable from PBC not to accept Canelos conditions, if Canelo doesn't want to accept the different fighter different pay then he can move on lol, this is all according to what Plant said we haven't heard Canelos side of things, maybe Plant is not being completely honest,
I think this issue can be resolved, but will see
You’re an absolute idiot. Lol. He’s not a mainstream USA star anymore yet he beat his own record in Texas. You seriously can’t be this dumb….
you’re 100% LDBC. You’re rationality is very elementary.
Those are cheap tickets. Wilder/Fury 2 beat Canelo’s fight at the gate by a mile.
Haymon is trying to change the contract at the last minute from a 1-fight deal to a 3-fight deal. And that clause is being added to compensate Canelo's demands which, as the cash cow and face of boxing, are fair.
It is Haymon, PBC, and Plant being unreasonable. If Plant wanted the fight the negotiations would've taken 1-2 hours at DAZN. But Plant is more interested in sticking his fingers up Haymon's ass than lining his own pockets. The PBC platform is like a cult because it gets people to go against their interests.
I haven’t read that in any media report since the story broke that Talks broke down.
In another thread I posted imo Canelo should not sign a 3 fight deal with pbc, unless the 3rd fight is a Floyd fight at Canelo’s chosen weight. Other than that, it doesn’t make any sense for canelo to tie himself down like that.
Haymon competes against DAZN, as you are aware. He is not obligated to help them in any way. You wouldn’t ask anyone else to help PBC succeed.
Nothing we’ve read suggests Plant is doing anything of the sort. If he is loyal that would be because he has found financial success under Haymon. Other fighters show loyalty to their managers and promotes as well and you don’t seem to have an issue with that.
No it isn’t like a cult and it isn’t getting Plant to go against his best interest. While I think Plant is not thinking right, the articles states he wants to get paid the same amount if the fight gets canceled, not of his doing, and he has to fight a replacement. That is the same clause canelo negotiated for himself.
Canelo sells more than Spence and Wilder combined in any single event. No, Canelo isn't Floyd but his numbers shit all over everyone at PBC...which is why EVERYONE at PBC keeps calling out Canelo...not the other way around.
When he was on HBO sure but we don’t know what his DAZN numbers in the USA are.