I have Tank winning this fight but...

Facts...... Like always.... DId i ever mention you one of my favorite posters.... Lemme give you yo flowers lol Thank you I appreciate that from a great knowledgeable poster like yourself.

Tank is a great little fighter it's a good fight and a good challenge. A good solid fight in your 1st fight in a new division. My annoyances are he has talked so much smack about so many fighters, majority of them were receptive towards a fight but then he stepped around all of them and took a fight nobody asked for against a fighter not everybody has heard of. Also this WBA Bullsheet. He ain't fighting for a world title. It's a good fight let's not pretend its any more than that. Facts...... Like always.... DId i ever mention you one of my favorite posters.... Lemme give you yo flowers lol

i think you are getting lost by conflating a lot of things. i said he hasnt proven his greatness while responding to someone else who said he was great, then you took it from there and went off on a tangent and somehow along the way you lost the greatness part and only focused on the proven part. tank has proven hes at least a good competent fighter. tank has proven hes way above fighting tiny little fighters he will easily knock out like santa cruz or bums like barrios who got battered around the ring for the last 8 rounds against a 6-0 fighter. No, I'm not conflating a lot of things. Just to recap: 1. You responded to a poster saying how has he proven his greatness when he's only fought one top 10 fighter in his career. To which I responded with: ​​​​​​Bingo! Which is why it doesn't make sense why people are thinking this is a big mismatch. When has Tank proven his greatness like you just said? When has he shown he can dispatch top competition? Tank lost rounds vs LSC and was getting outhustled and was out of shape vs Gamboa and tired after a few rounds. He has plenty to prove still. I agreed he hasn't proven any greatness and said he hasn't proven he can dispatch top competition and he has plenty to prove. 2. You responded to that post by asking why two unproven fighters are headlining PPV? I responded by saying he is headlining because he is a draw and the quality of the fight doesn't determine PPV status and more proven P4P fighters are not fighting on PPV. Why? Because they can't sell and Tank can. I then brought up Joshua as an example of someone who was headlining before he was proven. 3. You responded by saying Joshua wasn't and his first two headliners were Whyte and Martin....Except you proved my point there as neither Joshua nor Whyte were proven when they headlined PPV and even after that fight, neither he nor Martin were proven. You then kept going on how Joshua knew his drawing power so he started fighting good fighters unlike Tank...Though you mentioned Charles Martin for some reason LOL...But anyways you kept going on and on about how Joshua had a built in audience and was a gold medalist while Tank was not and that he hasn't fought anyone good to get on PPV.....So if Tank was a gold medalist he could be on PPV without taking on anyone good? Anyways, he is on PPV because he sells, it is simple as that. Once he shows he cannot sell and it is not worth putting his fights on PPV? Well, then he will no longer fight on PPV. Crawford, Charlo's, etc tried their hands in PPV and once they failed, they were right back fighting on non-PPV events. If Tank pulls in another 2M+ gate and sells over 200k PPVs, guess what? His next fight will be on PPV as well. Just how it goes.

Zepada beat Pedraza 7-3 in a 10 round fight. Davis dominated and knocked him unconscious. he knocked him unconscious yet he beat the count and was standing when the ref waved it off. boxing historian over there! and dominated? hmmm tank lost 2 rounds to pedraza as well and pedraza was hitting him with some big shots unlike zepeda. guess that ko gave you amnesia. and pro rated thats more rounds than zepeda would have lost if the fight had continued so zepeda is a p4p talent after all! congrats on your newfound status zepeda! oh wait no he has to beat tiny santa cruz first to solidify it! i dont know if he can do it! mungia is a p4p talent too right? hes better than ggg right? i mean using your he ko'd him faster theory it must be true! hurd is better than canelo he ko'd trout!!!! canelo p4p #1? THEY GOT IT WRONG ITS HURD THE P4P TALENT

The perfect comparison comment was about the PPV price point. Joshua before fighting Wlad, fought Whyte and Martin. Why? Because he was already a draw before he was proven. You asked a simple question on why Tank is headlining if he is not proven and you got an answer for that. You just didn't like that answer so you switched the conversation. . At least you now know why Tank is on PPV. Let's leave it at that . i think you are getting lost by conflating a lot of things. i said he hasnt proven his greatness while responding to someone else who said he was great, then you took it from there and went off on a tangent and somehow along the way you lost the greatness part and only focused on the proven part. tank has proven hes at least a good competent fighter. tank has proven hes way above fighting tiny little fighters he will easily knock out like santa cruz or bums like barrios who got battered around the ring for the last 8 rounds against a 6-0 fighter.

joshua was a gold medalist fighting undefeated prospects, world champs, and all time greats like wlad on ppv. tank is fighting tiny santa cruz and barrios. not being a perfect comparison is an understatement. this is just a flat out scam. joshua could have lost all those fights. thats the point. even if joshua wasnt proven like you said he was still taking risks. tank is not going to lose to a tiny santa cruz or a guy who was battered around the ring against akhmedov. these arent risks. if they are risks for him then he sucks balls. win or lose joshua was fighting good competition. win or lose tank is not. also he has been fighting weak competition for more than 4 years now. joshua has not. this is tanks career strategy. The perfect comparison comment was about the PPV price point. Joshua before fighting Wlad, fought Whyte and Martin. Why? Because he was already a draw before he was proven. You asked a simple question on why Tank is headlining if he is not proven and you got an answer for that. You just didn't like that answer so you switched the conversation. At least you now know why Tank is on PPV. Let's leave it at that .

He’s a pound for pound talent. His resume isn’t there yet. Lomachenko lost three rounds to Pedraza. Davis destroyed him. Leo Santa Cruz lost a close decision in a unification fight and avenged it. Davis destroyed him. Hes a p4p talent. loma dominated pedraza. so did zepeda. zepeda p4p talent too? even edner cherry deserved the win vs pedraza but it was close so i guess hes not a p4p talent? santa cruz was not a 130 pound fighter. the things you mentioned were not accomplished at 130. if santa cruz was some unified champ with a good resume at 130 then yeah thats a good win. that didnt happen. he had 1 fight at 130 against a guy who had just been ko'd twice. talk about soft. basically what you are saying is that as long as you knock over stiffs you are a p4p talent. jarret hurd must be a p4p talent cause he ko'd trout and canelo barely beat him. devon alexander must be a p4p talent cause he dominated maidana and floyd barely beat him. how can we triangle our way so tank is a top p4p fighter without ever having to fight anyone good? mungia now a top p4p guy cause he ko'd that guy faster than ggg did it?

Who said anything about competition? You asked why two unproven fighters are headlining PPV and I brought up Joshua headlining PPVs before he was proven...Which is a fact. When he fought Whyte, how were either of them proven? When he fought Martin, how were either of them proven? Joshua wasn't headlining PPVs because he was some proven P4P type of fighter. Sure, UK fight fans also pay quite a bit for Sky Sports every month. A lot of boxing fans also have Sky Sports for the EPL and other sports. There is no perfect comparison. Of course PPVs are more stateside. Why? Because people will still buy them at the price they are. If they wouldn't, then they would be much lower but that still hasn't happened in how many years? Even the "lowest" PPV stateside is going to be $50 bucks, which is double the PPV price point in the UK. joshua was a gold medalist fighting undefeated prospects, world champs, and all time greats like wlad on ppv. tank is fighting tiny santa cruz and barrios. not being a perfect comparison is an understatement. this is just a flat out scam. joshua could have lost all those fights. thats the point. even if joshua wasnt proven like you said he was still taking risks. tank is not going to lose to a tiny santa cruz or a guy who was battered around the ring against akhmedov. these arent risks. if they are risks for him then he sucks balls. win or lose joshua was fighting good competition. win or lose tank is not. also he has been fighting weak competition for more than 4 years now. joshua has not. this is tanks career strategy.

im not from the uk so i dont know what you are talking about. im not disputing that joshua wasnst a big draw. im saying when joshua realized he had drawing power he started taking on good fighters and wasnt cherry picking like tank. whyte, charles martin and wlad sh-it all over barrios and tiny santa cruz. i dont know why you would think that competition is comparable. also ppvs in the uk cost much less so its not a fair comparison to start with. joshua klitschko was about 25 dollars. tank barrios is 75. thats hilarious. Who said anything about competition? You asked why two unproven fighters are headlining PPV and I brought up Joshua headlining PPVs before he was proven...Which is a fact. When he fought Whyte, how were either of them proven? When he fought Martin, how were either of them proven? Joshua wasn't headlining PPVs because he was some proven P4P type of fighter. Sure, UK fight fans also pay quite a bit for Sky Sports every month. A lot of boxing fans also have Sky Sports for the EPL and other sports. There is no perfect comparison. Of course PPVs are more stateside. Why? Because people will still buy them at the price they are. If they wouldn't, then they would be much lower but that still hasn't happened in how many years? Even the "lowest" PPV stateside is going to be $50 bucks, which is double the PPV price point in the UK.

How are you going to say he wasn't and then mention the Whyte fight? So you agree he was put on PPV before he was proven? Even after the Whyte fight and heading to the Martin fight, he was not proven in the sense that we are talking about. It wasn't until the Klitschko fight that he became proven but he was on PPV before that due to how big of a draw he was. Now you are trying to make the conversation what it isn't. It's fine, you don't like how Tank has been moved and how unproven he is. I don't think he is proven either where you put him anywhere near P4P lists or make him massive favorite over certain fighters. But you asked why this is a PPV fight, and I told you why. And besides, you don't have to worry about spending $75 dollars on it since that is not what it will cost out in the UK...Heck, Loma fights the same time so you can catch that one. im not from the uk so i dont know what you are talking about. im not disputing that joshua wasnst a big draw. im saying when joshua realized he had drawing power he started taking on good fighters and wasnt cherry picking like tank. whyte, charles martin and wlad sh-it all over barrios and tiny santa cruz. i dont know why you would think that competition is comparable. also ppvs in the uk cost much less so its not a fair comparison to start with. joshua klitschko was about 25 dollars. tank barrios is 75. thats hilarious. also joshua was an olympic gold medalist. he had a built in audience. tank did not. they have built him out of thin air or fat air in tanks case. he hasnt fought anyone good to get on ppv, doesnt have amateur accolades like joshua, its all built on hype.

Pedraza and Santa Cruz. He’s beating those guys the way a top p4p talent would beat them. Im not arguing that he has a great resume but he’s clearly an elite boxer. Barrios is a nobody. i didnt know someone could be a top p4p talent by beating jose pedraza or a tiny santa cruz. i guess p4p standards have dramatically fallen lately.

he wasnt? his first ppv was against dillian whyte. his next fight was a title fight against martin. almost all his ppv fights have been against top 10 opponents cept molina and takam(5 days notice or so when pulev pulled out) he also hasnt hesitated to try and fight everyone in his division where tank has ran away from anyone good. where has tank offered loma, lopez, etc...100 million dollars to fight? he wouldnt even fight tevin farmer. How are you going to say he wasn't and then mention the Whyte fight? So you agree he was put on PPV before he was proven? Even after the Whyte fight and heading to the Martin fight, he was not proven in the sense that we are talking about. It wasn't until the Klitschko fight that he became proven but he was on PPV before that due to how big of a draw he was. Now you are trying to make the conversation what it isn't. It's fine, you don't like how Tank has been moved and how unproven he is. I don't think he is proven either where you put him anywhere near P4P lists or make him massive favorite over certain fighters. But you asked why this is a PPV fight, and I told you why. And besides, you don't have to worry about spending $75 dollars on it since that is not what it will cost out in the UK...Heck, Loma fights the same time so you can catch that one.

Why was Joshua headlining PPVs in the UK before he became proven? You put fighters on PPV that could draw period. That's what PPV is, not how great a fighter is or how great a match up is. We have gotten and will be getting how many undisputed match ups the last few years? How many headlined PPV? Crawford is top 3 P4P, is he headlining PPV? How about Lomachenko? Or Inoue? When you can generate a certain amount of money on PPV, you put a fighter on there. If that fighter can't generate enough buys (ex Crawford/Charlos), you take them off PPV. Simple as that. he wasnt? his first ppv was against dillian whyte. his next was a title fight against martin. almost all his ppv fights have been against top 10 opponents cept molina and takam(5 days notice or so when pulev pulled out) he also hasnt hesitated to try and fight everyone in his division where tank has ran away from anyone good. where has tank offered loma, lopez, etc...100 million dollars to fight? he wouldnt even fight tevin farmer. this is the standard con. they are pretending tank is some top guy because hes knocking over tomato cans or old/small names. this is pretty standard in boxing but to do it on ppv is pretty ballsy like i said. people are obviously being tricked but hey i guess thats america?

When Brook stupidly jumped upto fight GGG or Khan to fight Canelo. Rigo to fight Loma. We're not just talking about them being bigger. We're giving them such credit because GGG, Loma and Canelo are so skilled. Nobody is talking about this guys skillset because well, he's just big and ordinary.

I can see the possible danger he's fighting a much bigger, seemingly durable Mexican with a little pop but I'd rather see him fight the threats his his own size (Lopez, Loma, Haney hell even Garcia) than some rather slow, methodical B level guy with a fair size advantage. Tanks stamina is already questionable nevermind at 140 vs a big lump so it could get interesting late on. Normally you would maybe give him some credit for jumping up a division or 2 but when there is 4-5 threats more-or-less ready & willing in your own division, it just seems like its not so much a risk and you have plenty of excuses to fall back on.

ok so why are 2 unproven fighters headlining a ppv? they keep promoting him as a top guy. Why was Joshua headlining PPVs in the UK before he became proven? You put fighters on PPV that could draw period. That's what PPV is, not how great a fighter is or how great a match up is. We have gotten and will be getting how many undisputed match ups the last few years? How many headlined PPV? Crawford is top 3 P4P, is he headlining PPV? How about Lomachenko? Or Inoue? When you can generate a certain amount of money on PPV, you put a fighter on there. If that fighter can't generate enough buys (ex Crawford/Charlos), you take them off PPV. Simple as that.

Bingo! Which is why it doesn't make sense why people are thinking this is a big mismatch. When has Tank proven his greatness like you just said? When has he shown he can dispatch top competition? Tank lost rounds vs LSC and was getting outhustled and was out of shape vs Gamboa and tired after a few rounds. He has plenty to prove still. ok so why are 2 unproven fighters headlining a ppv? they keep promoting him as a top guy.

how has he proved his greatness? he's literally fought one top 10 fighter his entire career Bingo! Which is why it doesn't make sense why people are thinking this is a big mismatch. When has Tank proven his greatness like you just said? When has he shown he can dispatch top competition? Tank lost rounds vs LSC and was getting outhustled and was out of shape vs Gamboa and tired after a few rounds. He has plenty to prove still.

Thing is the Akhmedov fight was 2 years ago & his last fight was against Ryan Karl (which was on the Tank vs Leo card) and he 100% redeemed himself, but let's back to the Akhmedov fight. Yea it was a tough fight ngl but he defintely won that fight, i mean he had 2 knockdowns & snagged the earlier rounds, Akhmedov style was bad for him but Tank doesn't fight like that if we're being completely honest. He's more of a aggressive counter puncher, which Barrios is as well. To me it'll come down to the style Tank goes into this fight with, If he comes out like a pressure fighter than he'll probably KO Barrios somewhere in the middle rounds but if Tank fights with the same style he always fights then I don't know... its literally impossible for him to win that fight. akhmedov won 7 rounds in dominant fashion from 5-11. like no way you could give barrios any of those rounds. a couple of those could have been 10-8's in akhmedovs favor he was battering him all over the ring. he also dominated the 12th excpet for the one punch he was knocked down with. he snagged the early rounds...thats a pretty vague description of the fight. the first 4 maybe barrios won them all. maybe not, couple close ones. that would be generous if you gave him all 4 but if you gave him the first 4 and the 12th 10-8, and didnt give akhmedov any 10-8s then ok you could get a draw for barrios. next question is...is akhmedov even good? he had 6 fights and hes getting a gift vs him? he redeemed himself vs ryan karl...who is this? he said he would rematch akhmedov and ran for the hills. how is fighting a complete unknown bum and ducking the guy that you robbed redeeming yourself. sometimes i wonder...

Thing is the Akhmedov fight was 2 years ago & his last fight was against Ryan Karl (which was on the Tank vs Leo card) and he 100% redeemed himself, but let's back to the Akhmedov fight. Yea it was a tough fight ngl but he defintely won that fight, i mean he had 2 knockdowns & snagged the earlier rounds, Akhmedov style was bad for him but Tank doesn't fight like that if we're being completely honest. He's more of a aggressive counter puncher, which Barrios is as well. To me it'll come down to the style Tank goes into this fight with, If he comes out like a pressure fighter than he'll probably KO Barrios somewhere in the middle rounds but if Tank fights with the same style he always fights then I don't know... He definitely did NOT win that fight. You can score it a draw and that's perfectly fine since Barrios won at least three of the first four rounds, if not all of them and then got the KD in the 12th. But there's not other rounds he had a case in. IIRC, the 5th may have been a bit close but the rest of the rounds Ahkmedov won. Barrios showed he was tough though and can take a punch as he never got dropped despite taking a lot of shots. That's why I don't get why people think it is a forgone conclusion that Tank stops this guy. Barrios is a big guy that will be at WW soon and has a good chin. Tank also isn't an active fighter so you can outwork him and get rounds off of him. If he's unable to put Barrios away, this fight will be very interesting.